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FLASH! From Liz Smith | 10/30/2009 3:40 pm

LIZ SMITH FLASH! A Question From National Review

Liz Smith
Here we present a  religious question from the opinion and editorial pages of the National Review magazine. And it’s a very good one, I think.

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November issue of National Review: "We all know that Jihadists believe that pious Muslim males will be rewarded with 72 virgins in paradise. What will those virgins actually be like, though? Saudi cleric Sheikh Muhammad al-Munajid has been telling us on Saudi Arabia’s Al-Majd TV.  Main point: They will be white. Very white. ‘Allah said that the black-eyed virgins are beautiful white young women … whose skin is so delicate and bright that it causes confusion. They are like precious gems and pearls in their splendor, their clarity, their purity and their whiteness.’

"We (at the National Review) confess to some slight confusion ourselves. Is there a separate afterlife for pious but unwhite Muslim females? If not, where do their souls go? If so, what’s their reward? Perhaps we all get new bodies in paradise, with the gals guaranteed to get white ones. Another possibility is that Sheikh Muhammad al-Munajid is a gibbering lunatic.

"This is, after all, the man who last year issued a fatwa against Mickey Mouse, whom he described as "one of Satan’s soldiers.’" 

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I just love  fanatical religions, don’t you? They make so much sense. 

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S A

I always thought Joseph Smith was just a Horny young man who created a religion so he

could live the way he wanted…

I believe that is true of every religion’s founder. Faith doesn’t require a book, prophet or teacher. Faith only requires a quiet moment to reflect on the wonder of life. 

By S A on 11/01/2009 5:21 pm
STACY SEARS

LOL, Baby Snooks, I wondered when someone was gonna throw in the Mormons!  Maybe is was peyote instead of LSD.  I guess it’s a good thing there aren’t Mormon terrorists!  OF course, to them there is limited space in Heaven and different levels of Heaven.  Of course your eternal destiny as a woman is tied to that of your spouse as well.  The thing that really blows me away is the secret/sacred undergarment thing, so God will know who they are.  A former Mormon I know compared it to the Masons.

 

Kidding aside, while I don’t agree with their beliefs, I have to commend them on the fact that that church does seem to function as churches should in that the church serves its members and the members serve the church, or I guess the members serve each other.  When I lived in AZ, my neighbor, who was LDS, had some severe complications during childbirth.  I must say, that the church members made sure that ALL meals were provided, the house cleaning, laundry, child care etc were all taken care of for her and her family.  That was impressive.  I belong to a non-denominational church that advocates your personal relationship with Christ and also Grace, so I do see the members pulling together.  However, so many churches, regardless of their brand of religion, seem to just want your money and don’t serve.  I had actually avoided organized religion for many years prior stumbling upon this group of folks for those very reasons.

By STACY SEARS on 11/03/2009 3:45 am
Laurel Sayler
Islam came after Judaism and Christianity, so why would either religion even mention Islam???
By Laurel Sayler on 10/31/2009 6:58 pm
F Fox

Not exactly, Snooks. First, Islam has taken many of its practices from a watered down and debased version of Judaism as apparently understood by Mohammed. Second, Islam is unquestionably a politico-religion espousing war and violence, as its world is divided into dar el Islam (the world of submission, or Moslem-dominated countries) and dar el Harb, the world of war, or everyone else—that’s us. The aim of Jihad is to take over for Islam, whether by violent struggle, enslavement, conversion, or taxation with secondary citizen status for non-Muslims. In Islam’s 1400-year history, a large part of those years has been given over to Islamic leaders taking over or trying to take over N Africa, Spain, Europe, Africa, and Asia. Now it is setting it sights on the US. Not so Judaism. Even though at core it is a politico-religion as well, it only refers to the Jews and the Jews started in Israel. It does not mandate taking over the world by force, it does not mandate forced or coerced conversion, and it is very much anti-violence. In its history it has taken over nothing but biblical Israel, with very limited incidences of forced conversions; the one that comes to mind engineered by a king converted from the Arabs.  Christianity has had a doctrine in some aspects similar to Judaism and in some not, but its history of violent takeovers was less organized (you call it different authorities) and somewhat less doctrinal than Islam. So, the fundamentalists of each religion may be similarly strict and rigid but their specific behaviors in some very important ways are very different.

Islam is particularly dangerous because it appeals to the worst and most simplistic desires of men, especially for power, glory,  and authority, and because it has few internal mechanisms for change, and is very resistant to change. At the core despite various attempts at beautification it is a very crude and abusive propagandistic religion. I expect that it must go down because all religions like this have gone down sooner or later.

By F Fox on 11/01/2009 7:00 am
Sandy B
I don’t think it’s going down.  And as a Muslim I find your description a bit offensive, however, not unusual.  Many love to take a scholarly tone and explain what Islam *really* is.  I’m not sure how this explanation covers the majority of Muslims who are not espousing war and violence and don’t interpret their faith that way.  But that’s ok.  That wasn’t your intention.
By Sandy B on 11/01/2009 8:50 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Yes, Laurel, I know. I, too, have delved into all this for many moons.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/31/2009 5:45 pm
Baby  Snooks

In reality Judaism does not accept Christianity or Islam as a legitimate religion and Christianity does not accept Islam as a legitimate religion. Islam, however, does accept Judaism and Christinatiy as legitimate religions but merely believe they both broke their convenants with god.   All three do not accept other religions as legitimate religions.

You of course have great debate within Christianity.  The Church itself encountered a schism over authority which is how we ened up with the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. And then of course you have the schism, also over authority, the produced the Protestant churches including the Anglican Church which is now in the process apparently of becoming part of the Roman Catholic Church once more. And then you have the Mormons who stand alone and who, again, believe they represent the final convenant with god.   One god and yet so many divisions in the religion itself. 

The tie that binds of course is the misogyny.  Adam’s rib and all that.   Which is why men get 72 virgins and women apparently continue to serve their husbands in paradise. If they were not so blessed with a husband on earth, their fathers and brothers. Islam is a little fuzzy around the edges but so is Christianity and Judaism. 

I believe in god.  The one who threw the rock at Abraham.

By Baby Snooks on 10/31/2009 8:39 pm
F Fox
Snooks, Judaism generally accepts religions that worship one deity as legitimate religions,even if disagreed with in particulars. In general Judaism therefore accepts Islam in principle. There is a much wider split regarding Christianity because of the doctrine of the Trinity, so that most Orthodox Jews hold that this makes it not a monotheistic religion but rather idolatrous, and others interpret it in such a way that it is monotheistic—a matter for scholars. Judaism’s attitude toward Christianity probably goes by denomination and doctrine at this point.
By F Fox on 11/01/2009 7:10 am
Baby  Snooks
And then *gasp* do we dare talk about Scientology?
By Baby Snooks on 10/31/2009 2:27 pm
Baby  Snooks
And then there are the pagans. Sorry but at my age dancing around in the nude in the moonlight is quite frightening to think about.  Let’s face it. At 30 you change the lighting in the dressing room. At 40 you install dimmer switches.  At 50 the full-length mirrors are "out of there." I haven’t figured out what you do at 60 but I still have a couple of years to go before I have to.  I guess you go to Rio for a total overhaul.  
By Baby Snooks on 10/31/2009 2:53 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Or–––take some LSD like Joe and pretend you and the mirror are one.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/31/2009 5:49 pm
Baby  Snooks
I think I’ll stick to the overhaul in Rio. I wonder if we could convince Congress to make that part of health care reform?  One fully covered overhaul in Rio at the age of 60.  
By Baby Snooks on 10/31/2009 6:14 pm
Sandy B

As a Muslim- I cringe at this sort of thinking and of course think it is total BS.  However I have to say, calling Islam a "fanatical religion" isn’t fair as all religions have their crazy fanatics and they are more like each other than all the normal people.

Some humor to lighten the issue- there are jokes in my neck of the woods about the terrorist (I refuse to call him a jihadist) getting to heaven and being presented with 72 young men.  I’d also like to point out that no one thinks women are stupid enough to want, or fabricate a reward of 72 virgins.  We know better.

Also, the 72 virgins aren’t meant to be people from earth.  They’re just waiting in the hereafter.  Of course, religiously speaking the story is on seriously shaky ground.

By Sandy B on 10/31/2009 3:00 pm
Maggie W

LOL!  Sandy, that is too funny ( being presented with 72 young men).  Yes, there are fanatics in every religion.. a few of the ultra pious and continually  annoying are in my family.  According to them, I haven’t got a chance once I am lowered into the ground.  No puppies and rainbows and butterflies for me in the hereafter. 

According to me, they are just a few fries short of a happy meal.

And so it goes.

By Maggie W on 10/31/2009 5:46 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
And Maggie: Isn’t it awful that you can’t in the end say, "I told you so!"
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/31/2009 5:53 pm