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Q&A | 11/16/2009 1:30 pm

Love, Loss and What I Ate: A Q&A With Legendary Book Editor Jason Epstein

The author of a spicy new memoir about food and publishing dishes with Julia Reed about discovering Alice Waters, sparring with Wolfgang Puck, lunching with Jackie O — and what to do with an overripe tomato.
Jason Epstein © Peter Peter

Author’s Note: I’m delighted to introduce my old friend Jason Epstein, the author of the brand-new book Eating: A Memoir. Most people know him as a publisher; in fact, his last book was called Book Business. But for those who don’t, he is a genius and groundbreaking editor who invented the quality paperback; co-founded the Library of America and the New York Review of Books; and edited Norman Mailer, Gore Vidal and Vladimir Nabokov, among many other literary stars. When I first met him, he was editorial director of Random House — but I’ve always known him as a cook, as well.

JULIA REED: In your new book, you make the case that the two loves of your life – writing and editing and cooking and eating – are not all that different. Your first chapter, in fact, is called "Cooking Is Storytelling." Where did that title come from?

JASON EPSTEIN: Well, first of all, most publishing work takes place at lunch; occasionally at dinner; very seldom in the office. That’s where all the negotiation and stuff that you have to do to be a publisher occurs. You come into the office at about ten o’clock in the morning, you look at your mail, you read the Wall Street Journal and the Times and then you make a lunch date. 

A lot of people like The Food Network, but it has nothing to do with food anymore. It's all showbiz.

JULIA: This sounds like a dream job. Are you entirely sure this is still the way it’s going?

JASON: And then you find things to do, or not to do, until 12:30, and off you go; and you come back at 2:30 and it’s time to think about what you’re going to do for the evening. So in that sense, eating and publishing are inseparable. In another sense, a larger sense, cooking and writing are rather alike in that you conceive an end point in both cases. If you want to write a short story or a novel, you think it through to the end, and see how you’re going to get there; and the same thing with a recipe. The other night I made some scallops, and you have to think of how you want to serve those things. I was going to make them with some chopped-up chorizo, a Mexican sausage and some chanterelles, and I wanted to get the dish ready in the afternoon so I could just serve it in the evening. I knew that if I cooked the chanterelles and the chorizo early, they’d be dried up by the time dinner came. So I had to think of a solution for that, and I had to think what I was going to do with scallops themselves. The easiest thing is just to heat them up until they are cooked through. And I didn’t want to have to do that while the guests were there, so I made some adjustments and worked it out. It was rather like doing a story; you’ve got to think of how to get from A to Z.

JULIA: The great thing about the book is that your recipes are not really recipes in the form that most people are used to seeing in a cookbook. You talk people through them, like you just did with me. If you had finished telling me what you’d done to the scallops, that’s almost exactly how it goes in the book. It’s an ingenious way to tell people how to cook because it’s not intimidating. Anybody who’s ever been baffled by some arcane instruction will love you for this, and it’s sort of new approach.

JASON: I like to do it that way. I like to tell people how this event happens. You know, I can’t stop talking once they start asking. 

JULIA: But your recipes are reassuring in a way, because you say, "Well if this doesn’t work, try this," or "If you are afraid of such-and-such, don’t be. It’s what it’s supposed to look like." I mean, we all want that friend looking over our shoulder, and that’s what these instructions feel like.

JASON: You have to think of a lot of things that recipes don’t necessarily tell you. For example, I have a recipe for fried chicken, which is very simple, but you have to start with an amazingly good chicken, otherwise it’s not worth bothering with. And you do it in about three-quarters of an inch of oil, any kind of canola oil. And that leads to potential problems because that oil is very dangerous if you let it splash on yourself and you have to know what to do, how to get that off quickly so it doesn’t leave a mark. If you drop some on the floor it’s very, very slippery; you’ve got to be careful you don’t trip on it. You have to turn the handle away from where you are so you don’t inadvertently bump it and spill oil that way. What do you do if it catches fire? I think you should really know all those things before you start with your fried chicken.

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joan larsen

Before I had finished reading the first page of this piece that is delight after delight, I found myself humming "It’s nice to have a man around the house" … and by the end, well, I found myself falling in love with Jason.  I know that is "not done", but that smiling face - that face that seems to tell us that no matter what the trivial disasters that might strike in cooking OR in life, he would be able to make light of it.  (And Jason, IF I am wrong, please don’t tell me as I like to dream!)

And, Jason, just like your little dog, Hamlet, I believe I would not like you to go out either.  Ever!!!

By the way, I have ordered the book.  But, Julia, is there a way I don’t yet know to "order the man"????  Lucky you!  And an absolutely super "read"!!!  Joan

By joan larsen on 11/16/2009 1:36 pm
phyllisDoylePepe
Thank you, Julia, for another interesting piece. Jason’s Barbara was such a beloved person that when she died a whole section in The New York Review of Books (which happens to be one of my bibles) payed homage to her from many writers and friends that she worked with. Since I live with one of those "strange, sexual"  Italian persons who does not in the least resemble the Berlusconi crew, but instead dons apron and hot pads when he’s not tending to his  own garden, and turns out some fabulous meals. What a treat it would be for Jason and Joe to get together  and make something magical. Maybe a meal even Buster would have to smile about. Eat your heart out, Joan Larson, I want him first!!!
By phyllisDoylePepe on 11/16/2009 2:14 pm
BelindaJoy

Julia, as usual an interesting read. Thank you.

I love feeling like a fly on the wall in a room of people having a conversation about famous people I know I will never meet. I find that really intriguing.

However I must take you and Jason Epstein to task for your characterization of Food Network. Boy are you wrong. I am a foodie.  There is no way I could consume all the foods I lust after, I’d be 500 pounds! So I settle with the mental stimulation that comes with watching chefs create chicken in varied and delicious ways.

While others get high of weed and coke, I watch the Food Network and am taken to a place that is ambrosia. I love the entertainment aspect of the shows and the fact that many of the newer chefs featured, offer up recipes and food ideas that EVERYONE can create.

I’m old enough to remember Julia Childs and much of what she cooked and the ingredients needed were far beyond the average American.

By BelindaJoy on 11/16/2009 9:25 pm
LauriateRoly

Belinda Joy I don’t know much about cooking, in fact when she was a little girl I heard my daughter tell my aunt, “Daddy is not a good cooker”. However I always admired “good cookers” and I especially enjoyed reading, or seeing on TV, Julia Childs. I discovered one of Julia’s secrets: if she says the word “butter”, then make sure you use lots of it. She really meant lots and no matter what was being cooked, “lots” of butter made all the difference. So even though I don’t hardly do any cooking, I always make sure the freezer is loaded with butter and if anybody is cooking for me, I make sure they use plenty of it. LR.

By LauriateRoly on 11/17/2009 5:05 am
BelindaJoy

Well if you are a butter aficionado Lauriate, then you must love our 2009 version of Julia Childs, Paula Deen. She uses so much butter in her cooking that you would think it was water. And all of her meals have a warm, home-style appeal to them, which I like. I’m not particularly drawn toward "fancy" food. I like hearty and simple dishes.

Many of the shows now featured on the Food Network cater to the needs of people like me. From Smothered chicken and potatoes to southern fried steak and fries, everything always looks so good. I can’t wait until we have smellivision! 

By BelindaJoy on 11/17/2009 9:19 am
LauriateRoly
Belinda Joy - I’m not familiar with the Food Network. I’m presuming this is a TV resource? Anyway, from what you say, if they cater to people like you, I guess they would certainly appeal to me also. I like all food, but my preference is for the type you have listed, which I suppose is what I have been calling, “comfort food”. Once in a while I will watch any good food show if it is already on the monitor of my TV. I don’t have a favourite, but there was one I used to watch faithfully. Unfortunately the spectacular and jovial cook passed away and though every now and again I am lucky to happen to see a rerun, the regular enjoyment of following his programs is something I miss with great nostalgia. I wonder if you would have seen him? The show originated first, in Montreal, and then Toronto, but I think it also ran in the U.S. His name was Pasquale. Pasquale Carpino the Singing Chef. I knew him at the very beginning having been connected in getting the show organized and launched. He was such a likeable person, typical beautiful Italian, marvelous Chef and possessed a truly glorious professional tenor voice so rich in quality and warmth that I wondered often why he had given up the Opera House and directed himself towards the Kitchen. Watching him prepare food was like watching a great artist creating a chef-d’œuvre, with shades of Caruso as garnish.
By LauriateRoly on 11/17/2009 4:52 pm