Conversation | 06/22/2009 11:00 pm
Margo Howard: 'I Was Born Fearless'
Mary Wells, Joni Evans and Joan Juliet Buck join Margo Howard for a conversation about starter husbands, fearlessness and flirtatiousness.
MARY: Margo, what started you doing all that you do?
MARGO: I was sort of the Lana Turner of the newspaper business because Gene Siskel discovered me. I’d known Gene from the time he was nine years old and I was 15, because I dated one of his brothers. When I unloaded my starter husband I was in my late 20s —
JONI: But first you have to tell us how many husbands you had.
MARGO: Oh, my goodness. Well now I’m on No. 4 – the final one.
JONI: Good.
MARGO: We call him Dr. Pussycat, heart surgeon to the stars. Anyway, I was invited to a wedding in the Siskel-Gray family and they knew I was newly separated and they wanted me to be comfortable and so they said, "Gene will be your escort." Now, this is somebody I’d known since he was a little boy, and when this happened he was the 23-year-old, very young movie critic for the Chicago Tribune. And we just talked and talked and talked and I probably didn’t let him get a word in edgewise, and at the end of the evening he said, "Oh, you’re so funny and you know everybody. Do you write?" I said, "I don’t know." And he said, "If I have my editor call you, would you come talk to him?" And I said, "Well, sure." I mean, I would have loved something to do. And so I had an appointment. The feature editor of the Chicago Tribune was a marvelous man named Walter Simmons. Everyone was terrified of him. He’d been a foreign correspondent; then they made him a feature editor. And I loved him and started calling him Papa Bear and we had this great talk. He said, "Can you show me anything you’ve written?" And I said, "Well, I have one thing."
Before I decided to remake my life without the husband I thought, "Well, maybe if I have something to interest me I can just ignore all that’s wrong with the marriage." George Plimpton was all the rage then and I thought, "Well, I’m a better dilettante than he is," but I didn’t know if I could write. So I thought I would do a book about ten glamorous jobs for women, but very superficially, á la Plimpton. And an old boyfriend, Alan Hirschfield, took me to the head of Random House – might his name have been Bernstein?
JONI: Bob Bernstein.
MARGO: So I went to him and he said, "This sounds really wonderful. Of course, we would have to see something. Do a chapter for me and if this works, Chris Cerf will be your editor." And he was nowhere then either!
So because I lived in Chicago and knew all the Playboy brass, and Gloria Steinem had already done ‘em dirt by sneaking in, I went to Arnold Morton, the food and beverage head, and said, "Look, Gloria already did it to you. Let me in with your blessings." He said, "OK." So I’m a 28-year-old mother of three children, begging the seamstress to go easy, and I figured out – it was quite interesting, actually – everybody gets the cleavage whether you have something to work with or not. They put the bunny tails in there, underneath, to prop up your own whatever on top of the bunny tails. So they said, "Look, Margo, we don’t want to have a big lawsuit because you killed a customer by dropping a tray. We will make you the camera bunny." So I was the camera bunny for three days.
MARY: What’s a camera bunny?
MARGO: I was sort of the Lana Turner of the newspaper business because Gene Siskel discovered me. I’d known Gene from the time he was nine years old and I was 15, because I dated one of his brothers. When I unloaded my starter husband I was in my late 20s —
JONI: But first you have to tell us how many husbands you had.
MARGO: Oh, my goodness. Well now I’m on No. 4 – the final one.
JONI: Good.
MARGO: We call him Dr. Pussycat, heart surgeon to the stars. Anyway, I was invited to a wedding in the Siskel-Gray family and they knew I was newly separated and they wanted me to be comfortable and so they said, "Gene will be your escort." Now, this is somebody I’d known since he was a little boy, and when this happened he was the 23-year-old, very young movie critic for the Chicago Tribune. And we just talked and talked and talked and I probably didn’t let him get a word in edgewise, and at the end of the evening he said, "Oh, you’re so funny and you know everybody. Do you write?" I said, "I don’t know." And he said, "If I have my editor call you, would you come talk to him?" And I said, "Well, sure." I mean, I would have loved something to do. And so I had an appointment. The feature editor of the Chicago Tribune was a marvelous man named Walter Simmons. Everyone was terrified of him. He’d been a foreign correspondent; then they made him a feature editor. And I loved him and started calling him Papa Bear and we had this great talk. He said, "Can you show me anything you’ve written?" And I said, "Well, I have one thing."
Before I decided to remake my life without the husband I thought, "Well, maybe if I have something to interest me I can just ignore all that’s wrong with the marriage." George Plimpton was all the rage then and I thought, "Well, I’m a better dilettante than he is," but I didn’t know if I could write. So I thought I would do a book about ten glamorous jobs for women, but very superficially, á la Plimpton. And an old boyfriend, Alan Hirschfield, took me to the head of Random House – might his name have been Bernstein?
JONI: Bob Bernstein.
MARGO: So I went to him and he said, "This sounds really wonderful. Of course, we would have to see something. Do a chapter for me and if this works, Chris Cerf will be your editor." And he was nowhere then either!
So because I lived in Chicago and knew all the Playboy brass, and Gloria Steinem had already done ‘em dirt by sneaking in, I went to Arnold Morton, the food and beverage head, and said, "Look, Gloria already did it to you. Let me in with your blessings." He said, "OK." So I’m a 28-year-old mother of three children, begging the seamstress to go easy, and I figured out – it was quite interesting, actually – everybody gets the cleavage whether you have something to work with or not. They put the bunny tails in there, underneath, to prop up your own whatever on top of the bunny tails. So they said, "Look, Margo, we don’t want to have a big lawsuit because you killed a customer by dropping a tray. We will make you the camera bunny." So I was the camera bunny for three days.
MARY: What’s a camera bunny?
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I am in awe of those who are fearless. I strive everyday to be so..
I was born fearful. Or perhaps, I learned to fear shortly after birth. I was born to a young mother, the second of four. I needed radiation therapy for the hypothalamus pressuring my chest, hampering my breathing. Legally blind in one eye and nearly so in the other, I started out with two strikes against me from the beginning. I was taken care of largely by other family members as my mother was quite ill at my birth. I was abused in infancy, by my mother’s best friend from high school, who would take me to "play mother" for a day. Too often, some aunt or relative seemed to want to take me off with them, as I was a gregarious, lively child I am told. These always resulted in some form of abuse. As a toddler, I was molested by an uncle, then he was succeeded by my grandfather, and later my own father until I was a teen. Physical, verbal, and mental abuse from both parents was a constant.My mother made a point of letting me know she had not wanted me. She began taking her anger out on me from an early age. I knew I was not wanted and hated her early in life. I acted bold when challenged as my anger from all of the abuse came through at times, and I would fight back in school, take on all comers in elementary school, and at home with my older sister. The anger made me fearless for short periods of time, but in the most inappropriate ways. Beaten regularly by my parents for being "obstinate" and having a great strength of will, constantly berated for anything and everything, my fears grew, until the stress was overwhelming.
I lived in fear of doing the wrong thing, at home, in school, in social situations, in church, it was a constant in my life.
I was married while still in high school, pregnant with my first child. I thought I had chosen wisely, but my husband reinforced all the negatives my parents had ingrained in me. Several years later, I realized he was not one I could stay with forever, but it took me 22 years to divorce him. In the meantime, I found therapists wherever I could, always trying to find a new answer to do better, make my life right. Life was a constant upheaval, as his answer to his issues would be to move; from state to state, in total, about 25 moves during the marriage. I worked on preparing for a better me, a better life, and learning anything I could to enhance the upbringing of my children.
Slowly but surely, some of my fears lessened,my constant anxiety calmed, and some successes helped to reinforce my inner strength.
I worked hard on my self-esteem, gained some confidence after the divorce and went to college with my children. I moved across the country and started a new life. Unfortunately, I was attacked on the job and now disabled, I have been fighting the system for five years. My future is uncertain. The fears are again greater, as is the fight against them.
Looking back I see that no matter what hit me, or where life took me I landed on my feet. I kept a mantra in my head, found about the time of my divorce, a quote by Claire Booth Luce, "Courage is the ladder on which all other virtues mount". It was courage I needed to overcome the fears. I tried to grab on to it, focus on it, and hold it close whenever I faltered. It made all the difference.
It helped me follow through with my divorce, work to get an education, make big moves, even try to learn to date again. But the fear is always there, something on which I work against constantly. It may slow me down, as life has, but it will not defeat me. I cannot allow that. I cannot live with that.
I am in awe of those who are fearless. Those who have no concept of what it is to be raised without love, without positive regard, affirmation, respect, support. Those who cannot imagine what it is like to live in an environment of abuse, whether in the family of origin, or one in which we thought we had chosen well, then learned otherwise.
I do not expect them to understand. I do expect and at times demand that they do not judge. I have read the stories of many here who have overcome enormous odds to survive, and lead productive lives. I applaud them.
When I awake in the morning, I look hard for self-esteem, courage, and to find some joy and blessing in each day.
You all are so very fortunate to have had lives of courage, love, support, and success. It was also because of your own inner strength and what you made of your opportunities. I applaud you all. I appreciate the opportunity to read your stories. And for those of us who were born anything but fearless, we can glean strength from your words, and enhance our own work and growth.
Courage and Blessings,
Catriona
Catriona, You strive to be fearless??? Girl, you have more backbone than any 10 people I ever heard of. Dont let anyone get you down. Looks like you have really pulled yourself out of the mud. Just remember that you are whats important and dont let anyone heap guilt or tear down your self-esteem.
I was raised to believe everything was my fault and I was wanted but came at a bad time (as if that was my fault too) and everyone couldnt understand why I left home at an early age and went clear across the country. When self-worth is taken away from you then you are so vulnerable. It takes a long time to build up that shell that allows love to come in but fear and abuse to stay out. Keep it up. Sounds like you are on the right path.
Thank you Judy, it is kind of you to say. I too was raised to believe everything was my fault. We also were out of the house as soon as possible. One thing I am eternally grateful for is my insatiable curiosity. I was always asking questions, seeking answers. I learned early in life that other children were treated differently, (much nicer, like their parents liked them), than we were (although I thought it was my fault, so at first looked for an answer to my problem!). I taught myself to read and was a voracious reader, especially my mom’s magazines, on family life, home-making skills, etc. You know what those were like. The held a wealth of wisdom and learning for me.
You are right about being vulnerable when you don’t realize you have worth, and deserve to be on the planet. It is very hard to learn these things, teach them to ourselves, as an adult. It is essential though, if we are to have a successful life.
I feel I have been a warrior for the children in me who were abused. It is for me to be fearless for them. I was doing well, and having a life I was proud of, until I was attacked. It was enough to have suffered such a life altering trauma, but the system is totally structured to favor and protect the employer. After years of neglectful behaviors, misinformation, and withholding treatment that would affect a positive outcome for the patient, me, I am burned out and dragging low. I know I cannot give up, and struggle to lift myself up. I keep telling myself I am in a good position to rise up. when you are sitting on the bottom of the cave, there is only one way to go … up!
I have worked with ill and terminal patients for years. This is a lesson for me to practice what I have preached to all my patients..never give up hope, live each moment to our last breath, never stop doing… something.. and to always find a joy, or a blessing, something positive to realize each day.
I try not to look back, but I think it is good to sometimes take a moment to check in, and see how far we have come.. it is a good reminder that we are on the our right path.. which is personal to each of us. Thanks for the reminder today. It helps!
You are right, and I wrote to WOW as we cannot change it in our own profile. They just changed it today, I see.
I am also from Michigan. I enjoy reading your posts, not only for the male perspective they provide, but for the respect for others they reveal.
Thanks for the kind words.
Take good care,
Catriona
I lost my fears when my husband received orders from the Navy taking us to Sicily. There, I realized that I’d go under for the final time if I didn’t take matters into my own hands. Within nine months, I was speaking Italian moderately fluently, translating for my husband. We were sent to Spain, where I did the same again. I handled everything, even having a banking account in a Spanish bank. This, from a backwoods girl who’d never taken a foreign language in school. Oddly enough, it was my husband who’d studied Spanish in school, yet could barely string a sentence together. I look back, and think "Thank God I chose to step in! We would have drowned otherwise!"
I love my husband, but find it hard to sit back and let him take on projects now. The main reason, I think, is his time frame is NOT the same as mine; let’s get it going and get it done, so we can relax sooner rather than later. I’m learning to slow down a bit, and he’s learning to speed up. As to when we’ll meet in the middle is anyone’s guess!
WTG Dana!
The many moves my family was subjected to were within the US. Your experiences were so magnified by having to be immersed, unprepared, in a totally different culture with all of the inherent issues, and language barrier as you mention. How fabulous you grabbed your courage and jumped in, learned the languages, grabbed your own future for a great experience!
In one more difficult move, I was particularly struggling, as each region of the country had its own unique culture back then, not so homogenized as we are now. I was rather miserable and it seemed to me I just couldn’t break through to settle in and make new friends. A new acquaintance said to me, "It is not where you are, it is who you are with". She was right. I had tried to fit in to the local society,and it was not working. I needed to find people who were right for me, rather than trying to be right for them. We became great friends and I sought out what I needed. It became one of my of favorite places to live, and I hated it when my wandering husband took us out of the area when it didn’t work out for him. I never forgot her advice though, and later moves were not only easier, they added so much more richness to my life experience than if I had simply tried to exist in the local society.
for you, it sounds like you both are now finding your common level….it will come.
C
Got it! It came after two years of an emotionally abusive marriage. When I took my daughter and left, I realized I didn’t have to put up with any garbage ever again!
I married my best guy friend, went back to college, started a career, enrolled in graduate school, and have been raising my daughter to be a strong woman.
I learned confidence when I studied abroad during college, living in Madrid, Spain for 10 months. We had to rent our own apartment, do all our own shopping and cooking, register for university classes, all in Spanish. I had studied Spanish for 8 years by that point, but none of that prepared me for the pressure of functioning completely in another country, comprehending when speakers use local jargon or speak quickly, and managing the metric system of weights and measures.
Ironically, I had little confidence in myself before that year. I had been the Valedictorian of my high school, and kept top grades at college, managed my money well, but still my family and friends constantly worried about my competence and emotional ability to cope. Having to fend for myself in Spain for a year convinced me that I was indeed competent enough to live and function on my own. My family noticed the difference in me immediately when I returned.
I still have my moments of fear (the economy has me in its stranglehold at the moment), but I know that I can survive anything, and that all will be okay again before too long. That confidence, that ability to sustain hope, is the greatest legacy of my year in Spain.
Margo, going to bed and sleeping on it is really good advice. I have a tendency towards anxiety and when I feel myself starting to short-circuit I go take a nap, calm down and look at things rationally. The key is recognizing when we are ready to fall off a cliff and taking stock. When that gets away from us, we get ill, we function erratically and achieve very little.
Good advice and a good article.
Fearlessness. Can’t say I’m totally fearless, but that part of me that is, I learned from my Grandma.
As a 4 year-old Mom and I were living with her since my father was in the service. My grandmother learned from one of her sons that my father had a reputation for "stepping out" on my mother. So when he came home one night my grandmother, a tiny [about 4’11"] little European woman who totally forgot the English language when she was angry, grabbed her broom and slashed it through the air, whacking him out of the house. All the while, she screamed at him in Slovak and kept calling him a giggolo. In retrospect the entire family laughs at that story. But I tell you, you didn’t mess with my grandmother. She was the almighty protector of all people who needed her.