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Margo Howard | 08/20/2009 1:45 pm

Margo Howard: The Last Reporter to Speak to Jimmy Hoffa

Margo Howard

Editor’s Note: A longtime journalist, Margo Howard went into the family business (her mother was the fabled Ann Landers) in the 1990s as Dear Prudence. Her broad experience and understanding of human nature provide answers for the troubled — and entertainment for everyone else. Margo’s advice column, Dear Margo, appears twice a week — on Thursdays and Fridays — on wowOwow.com. Here she recalls her most memorable interview moments. Click here for the most memorable on-the-record moments from the wOw Women. 

One of my "unforgettables" was Jimmy Hoffa, just out of the clink. I was the last and only newspaper person to get to him before he was offed – and I wasn’t even a hard news reporter. I got to him in a crazy way. One of the investigative guys at my paper, The Chicago Daily News, suggested the way to get to him was through the head of the Teamsters’ Union in Chicago. I somehow got him on the phone and told him I was a feature writer and really wanted to talk about Hoffa’s "being out" and what it was like to be "in." He kept saying no, Hoffa wasn’t giving interviews, and for some reason I just kept going with him so we could keep talking. At some point something clicked and he said, "Are you Eppie Lederer’s daughter?" I said yes. Well, he had gone to high school with Mother in Sioux City, IA, and of course he knew who she was professionally. (Because, c’mon, Sioux City, IA?) I wish I could remember his name, but I can’t. (This was decades ago, and I was maybe 30.) He said, "I will help you," and that is how I got to be the last reporter to speak to Hoffa. Of course, all he wanted to talk about was prison reform, but at least it was an interview.
 
I also had a doozie of an interview with Shelley Winters, where she wanted to end the interview when I asked if she were the "inspiration" for "Same Time Next Year." She started to holler and said she didn’t know this was going to be "that kind of an interview." I somehow kept the conversation going (apparently my strong suit); she didn’t throw me out. The interview continued. The way I knew that she was the inspiration was that I knew the playwright, Bern Slade, and he told me. For you young ‘uns who don’t know the story of that play, it is about two former lovers who meet every Christmas Eve to … well, relive the good old days.

 

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Catriona B

Margo, this is delightful, but way too short!

I do not remember if it did come to light, so forgive me if I am asking the obvious, but do we know who Shelley Winters met each year?

Coming from north of Detroit originally, we heard a lot about Jimmy Hoffa. I always hoped we would someday learn the true story about the end of his life..there was so much violence, and corruption during that era, and the unions were very strong. What made it unforgettable? Did you feel uncomfortable interviewing him? Some reported being afraid when they met with him, others thought he was a gentleman. How was your experience?

Always a delight to read your features! Thanks!

Catie

 

By Catriona B on 08/20/2009 2:16 pm
Margo Howard
This is how old I am: I used to know who the once-a-year lover was, but I have forgotten! As for Hoffa, he was gentlemanly and did not speak in a forceful way. (I had the same sense of surprise at his speaking voice that I had with Rupert Murdoch. Both these guys were known to be ruthless, but the conversational speaking voice was disarmingly quiet.) Plus, I had no reason to be afraid of Hoffa. We were at he Drake Hotel, and I was not a Teamster!
By Margo Howard on 08/20/2009 2:58 pm
Dana Pulley
We used to live in Sicily, and were acquainted with a few Mafia members. Never feared them, as we had no reason to, though this was when they were targeting judges, and we actually lived next door to a judge who was a target, yet he was never harmed. A year after we left Sicily, we were in the airport in Philadelphia, when the noise level completely dropped off. I looked up from my book, and striding through the terminal was the quintessential American mobster, replete in a black and white pinstripe suit, black fedora with white banding, black and white wing tip shoes, and a monstrous diamond pinky ring. The other passengers were busily looking everywhere but at this gent, while my husband and I looked at each other and burst out laughing. The gent in question winked at us while smiling, and left. We still get a chuckle out of it to this day. I relate this story because, as Margo discovered, a powerful/ruthless person can turn out to be a pussycat! 
By Dana Pulley on 08/20/2009 4:21 pm
Karen R

Catie, 

The former head of the FBI’s Detroit office claims the Feds know what happened to Hoffa but won’t release the information due to certain concerned parties still surviving.

Even Hoffa’s daughter - a retired Associate Circuit Court Judge in Missouri (and currently an Asst. AG for Missouri’s Attorney General) - has sued the Feds for the information and been denied.

While Hoffa might have only been interested in talking prison reform after being sprung in early 1973, he was fully set on regaining control of the Teamsters and the internecine warfare between the Hoffa and Fitzsimmons factions of the Detroit Local was full blown at the time Hoffa disappeared in July 1975 (though a month earlier Hoffa denied to a radio reporter that he was involved with blowing up the car belonging to Fitzsimmons’ son).

By Karen R on 08/20/2009 4:55 pm
Karen R
correction: Hoffa was released December 1971, not early 1973
By Karen R on 08/20/2009 5:04 pm
Rain in Minneapolis
The FBI probably has the wire-taps recordings where his murder is discussed.
By Rain in Minneapolis on 08/21/2009 10:55 am
debbie loring
Hi, If you read her 1st autobiography which I think is called "Shelley Also Known As Shirley" I am 99% she actually talks about this and names who it was. It is a HILARIOUS and honest account of her life & loves. I read it many years ago, when it 1st came out and that was eons before the "tell alls" and it was pretty risque for the times.
By debbie loring on 08/21/2009 3:10 pm
Beth Cornell
Great story, Margo. BTW I do know of the movie version of Same Time Next Year. One of my favorite movies. Ok  I am a Alan Alda fan.
By Beth Cornell on 08/20/2009 2:24 pm
Rain in Minneapolis
I’m familiar with that movie too.  It’s shown on TCM.
By Rain in Minneapolis on 08/21/2009 10:56 am
Dana Pulley

Ooh Margo, you can’t drop a bombshell like that and leave us hanging! I had no clue you were the last person to interview Jimmy Hoffa. 

I’m no big fan of Same Time Next Year, but I would like to know Shelley Winters met up with also.  

By Dana Pulley on 08/20/2009 2:52 pm
Lin Cercone

MARGO

You can’t leave us hanging like this.  TRY TO REMEMBER who the guy was.  I always got a kick out of Ms. Winters, she was a very funny talk show guest.  So unpredictable.

Re: Hoffa, whew, glad he didn’t fit you with cement shoes and drop you in a lake somewhere.  We would have missed out on so much fun reading your column and some of your crazy commenters.

By Lin Cercone on 08/20/2009 3:48 pm
E Stone
For those who want to know, I beleive it was William Holden.
By E Stone on 08/20/2009 4:13 pm
Baby  Snooks
Actually it was Burt Lancaster. Although to be honest, which she would admit, it could have been anyone. 
By Baby Snooks on 08/20/2009 4:59 pm
Laura Ward

You’re right Baby Snooks. It could be anybody. I just looked it up in her book "Shelley."

She had a 7 year one night stand with William Holden every 4pm to 4am on Christmas Eve. During the same time, she had an affair with a married Burt Lancaster who almost caught her with Marlon Brando one night. Then she almost married bi-sexual Farley Granger but quickly married Victtorio Gassman when neither knew each other’s language. She then picked up again with William Holden for that yearly one-night stand and explained she had missed a year when married to Victtorio. Then she married Tony Franciosa. Yet years after their divorce she failed to recognize him. Tony had to remind her he’d once been her husband. Busy…and crazy lady…

By Laura Ward on 08/20/2009 7:31 pm
Baby  Snooks
I can’t argue with her bio since she wrote it I guess -  I had heard it was Burt Lancaster.  But I hadn’t read the book.  Had heard so much of it I didn’t need to read it.   Suffice it to say the only time the "bonds of holy matrimony" mattered to her was when she was married to Tony Franciosa.  Despite all the times she had been the other woman she actually threatneed some of his. Including as I recall Ava Gardner.  If I recall the quote correctly, she summed up her marriages with a "all I got out of marriage was a daughter, some jewelry, and a recipe for ravioli that was probably worth more than the jewelry."  That probably is in the book.  If so, I wonder who gave her the recipe?
By Baby Snooks on 08/20/2009 7:56 pm