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Marlo Thomas | 09/30/2009 12:00 am

Marlo Thomas on Gender Bias in Hollywood: 'I Encountered a lot of Men Who Didn't Want to Deal With Me or Wanted to Bed Me'

Marlo Thomas
Actresses don’t suffer the same kind of bias problems as actress-hyphenates do. I was an actress-producer in my 20s and I encountered a lot of men who didn’t want to deal with me or wanted to bed me, but seldom wanted to listen to me. I had to be very focused or I would be undermined in some way. It took a few years but word got out that I meant business so I was able to conduct my business. That … and good ratings made them listen.

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Baby  Snooks
I think this is true for any woman in any career who "dares" to move beyond the "secretarial pool" and of course that "pool" was and still is looked upon as the best place to land a rich husband by many women which of course mystified men when some women merely wanted to replace them as the boss instead of marrying them.  We’ve come a long way.  We’ve got a long way yet to go. 
By Baby Snooks on 09/30/2009 6:32 am
Ellen Natter
Dear Marlo, Totally agree with you. Then I met my husband.yes but we do have a long way to go. Looking forward to working with you at Christmas Time in my store, Williams Sonoma, Columbus Circle, 10 Columbus Circle. You visited us last year. Early Greetings, Ellen Natter
By Ellen Natter on 09/30/2009 6:52 am
Amy Stewart Hale

I completely relate.

Amy, PennDragon Studios

simpletownUSA.com

By Amy Stewart Hale on 09/30/2009 7:25 am
Cindy Marek
Guess I’m a bit surprised, considering Ms. Thomas’ already-established celebrity connections. But then why am I surprised, especially for "back then" (when I was a tiny kid)? I’m glad you were tenacious and determined, Ms. Thomas. As a 40-something I find men to be a mix; some are supportive and willing to listen, others are blocks of granite.
By Cindy Marek on 09/30/2009 7:58 am
Beth Cornell
Great site, Amy! I bookmarked it. I will return. As for what Marlo said. I agree. Men have always unrated us women. At least those men that grew up in the early 1900-1940s. 
By Beth Cornell on 09/30/2009 9:48 am
Barbara B
Marlo I admired you when you had your show and I admire you now.  Good family roots help in becoming the great woman you are today.  Danny & your Mom did a great job.  The fact that you continue to have the passion for the St. Jude Foundation which I support every year tells me something about who you are.  Show business is not easy and you prevailed without sleeping  around. Kudos to you
By Barbara B on 09/30/2009 9:51 am
Scott Spencer

Marlo, you made a huge impression on me when I was watching a show called "That Girl".

I’ve been wanting to say this for years, so please bear with me.
One thing that I really remember about one episode was when Ann had won a part in a play called "…And Everything Nice" and was very excited about reading the reviews after her debut. Unfortunately, her excitement turned to disappointment when she found out first hand that the reviews were all along the lines of "The city was bombed for the first time since 1776."
Ouch.
Then came Donald’s review. He didn’t want to read it to her because he knew the review would hurt her and it did. Thinking that she had failed as an actress, she got back on a train to Brewster where her father, Lou (played by Lew Parker) met her at the station.
Knowing his daughter was in a fragile state, he read the rest of Donald’s review to her. It concerened Ann herself and her performance. All I remember of what he said to her was from the end of the article which he said with a proud smile: "The audience loved her."
She lit up like a 2 million watt candle! Then she went back to Donald.
At the age I was back then, not many shows or actors made that kind of an impact with me, but you did, the scene did and so did the show.
And the Audience still loves you. :)
Thank you and God bless you.

Scott L. Spencer. Dallas, Texas

By Scott Spencer on 09/30/2009 10:32 am
Woodsy Gal

I can only imagine you have been dealing with this for a very long time.

I know I have, my carreers involve working with mostly men, and yes I think things have gotten better somewhat.

But I think only because women like us have wore them down! The word has been spread. There is still a game I have to play with some mens egos to get the job done. Many have just learned that they can’t win and might as well go along! But many now believe women sometimes actually know what we are doing. I even know one ancient man who now will only hire women painters at his shop! And he used to be the biggest pig of all. But he has learned by experience, he may have to buy more toilet paper, but the newly painted vehicles he sends out are perfection. Even old pigs change, or at least learn to tolerate… especially if it makes them more money and brings in more business.

I want to tell you something a little embarassing for me that is too wierd/funny now. I’ve mentioned it to others, but now I actually have the strange chance to tell You, woohoo wowowow

I was taken from my mother at birth for adoption and was told she was single, a senior majoring in journalism, needed to finish school and start her carreer. Didn’t want to marry my father and simply couldn’t keep a baby as an unwed mother in 1962. I now know about the hidden womans history of the Baby Scoop Era I was born into, so I get it.

Anyway, this is the part I wanted to tell you - I watched your show as a girl, and the character you played was the Only female that I knew about growing up who was single with a carreer and not doing daddy, dishes, dusting, diapers and dinner fulltime. I fantasied about my mother who I didn’t know, I was certain that Ann must be her, or be just like her. I hoped she was living that type of life and was happy. I even remember telling one of my girlfriends at high school I thought she was my mother.

I found my mother when I was 40, and even at 40 I was a little suprised that she wasn’t you or like you. LOL I’m glad she’s who she is tho :) Of course I knew you weren’t, it’s funny how our young fantasies lead us for so long.

Even tho it’s silly - I’m glad I had the fantasy of such an independant intelligent strong mother in my head growing up, it did me well.

Thanks for that Marlo. I can’t imagine I am the only one with That Girl in her head.

By Woodsy Gal on 09/30/2009 11:56 am
Lynn Marie

men are men—they have never changed—it is the nature of the beast.

as women we even have to help them with that issue……

By Lynn Marie on 09/30/2009 2:28 pm
Lena B
Marlo’s experience is mine exactly.  Currently things are entirely different.  I’m now accepted as an equal if not superior.  I use the power judiciously, much fairer than it was used against me when I was starting out as a struggling single mother.  Oh yeah, times have definitely changed.  Now my only concern is if I’m paid the same as my male peers.
By Lena B on 09/30/2009 6:11 pm
Jill Halpenny

It is a sad statement to have to agree to but I totally agree with you.  I don’t wish to put all men in this category however in the "corporate world" I don’t believe anything has really changed.   Men as we all know are a totally different species -  My God just look at the books that have been written on the subject - it has nothing to do with the "times"  It took place in my grandmother’s generation, my mom’s generation, is taking place in my generation and generations under me.  Some men bless them just don’t get that women have a voice and actually do have something to say?  The ones that do listen get it but there will always be those that miss out. 

Why do you think there is a bestseller out there (about 14 years old now but still being read)  How to survive in the workplace without a penis?

Having said that I am sure most of us can agree that it would be an "empty" world without them.  We’d have nothing to complain about   LOL 

 

 

By Jill Halpenny on 09/30/2009 10:47 pm
James the Game
That’s very sad that you had to endure that, Marlo. But kudos to you for surviving it, and succeeding. Those type of guys…I can’t fathom the lack of consideration and conscientiousness. They usually have deep pockets and shallow souls.
By James the Game on 10/01/2009 12:30 am