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Candice Bergen | 03/12/2009 11:00 pm

Nothing Scares Candice Bergen – Except Meat

Candice Bergen on Friday the 13th, superstitions … and why she’s a ‘half-assed vegetarian’
Candice Bergen

No. There are so many other things that might, but Friday the 13th is not one of them. This is in part because one of my smartest friends, Carol, told me it’s lunacy spun from some ancient ceremony involving the Knights of the Templar (that I can’t, of course, remember), and she brushed it aside without a look. And it seems to me, with no finger on any pulse, that people are not familiar with these old superstitions today.

They are a relic of another era. I don’t think anyone under 40 knows about sidewalks with cracks, 13 of anything, salt over your shoulder. They are almost like cheap literary contrivances. Something I do have oddly strong feelings about, bordering on the superstitious, is eating any kind of four-legged animal. Also some two-legged, like duck. I will never eat duck. And I haven’t eaten pork or beef (especially veal) for 35 years. This started because I suddenly started to find people carving into these bloody haunches of meat so disturbing. And after walking through the former huge market square in Paris, with hundreds of carcasses hanging side by side, it just repulsed me and I decided to keep my own half-assed vegetarianism. I don’t mention it at dinners. I just eat around the meat. I’m not a pain in the ass, but I cannot eat meat now — even some that looks and smells delicious, like barbecued ribs or prosciutto — without feeling like I am betraying animals.

So it is almost a superstition. I guess it’s more a personal idiosyncrasy. A principle I won’t break. Oh, one real and old-fashioned superstition I have really kept that is almost like warding off the Evil Eye is knocking wood. But I do that to never take anything good for granted and not to jinx anything by voicing it.

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EKA -

Phyllis, we really are "two birds of a feather" ! I was preparing to write the exact same thing but you beat me to it. While the "idea" of eating animals is difficult emotionally, intellectually I know that we, as mammals are omnivores. I joke and say that the day my cat stops eating mice is the day I will stop eating meat. And for the people who have an issue with the slaughtering process, just watch a show like "Planet Earth"  and see how brutal the animal kingdom is to each other.

My issue with meat is what we humans have done to it. Using hormones to foster growth, force feeding corn and then having to use antibiotics to cure the illnesses that corn causes, using spent, old, milk cows for fast food hamburger meat,etc. etc.I will search out local, grass fed, healthy meat. I do not eat veal. And, damn, being 1/2 Italian, I cannot pass up a good hot cappicolla, or sausage, but I buy the best that i can, and eat it with lots of fresh local vegetables and beans.

By EKA - on 03/13/2009 11:54 am
Lizzie R.
Old milk cows for fast food hamburgers…eeeeooooow -not that I eat fast food hamburgers,but………………….perish the thought. Try bison - it is raised more humanely and usually grass fed.When I was a small child visiting my uncle’s farm, he chopped the head off a chicken prior to butchering it, and that headless chicken ran all over the place for too long, and I can still see it. Never stopped me from eating chicken though, but, suddenly, today I am starting to think vegetarian. I wonder why? 
By Lizzie R. on 03/13/2009 12:39 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
And lets not forget the potato!! We of Irish descent must have some of that good starch in our DNA. You are part Italian, I am half German, but married an Italian so your mention of cappicolla  struck a bell. Joe makes his own Italian sausage which is the best I’ve ever had. When I married him the introduction to Italian cuisine was mouth watering. When he said one day that I made sauce better than his mother was the day I knew I had arrived as a true, blue Irish/German Italian transplant. 
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 03/13/2009 5:54 pm
nanchan u

Candice:  this year I gave up beef, pork and chocolate for Lent.  I’ve given up chocolate every year for many years and it’s become almost too easy. This year it’s been HARD with the added beef and pork.

I’ve found that I need to sleep less, that I have WAY more energy, and that I’ve already lost a few pounds.  I think there are a lot of chemicals in our meats that we don’t really think about.

That being said, my Easter Sunday breakfast will be Eggs Benedict!  Maybe after that I’ll go down to only one day a week with pork or beef.  It just feels too good not to have all those nitrates in my body.

By nanchan u on 03/13/2009 9:46 am
holly shawn

"The Sexual Politics of Meat: A Feminist-Vegetarian Critial Theory" by Carol Adams - it’s fantastic.. check it out.

By holly shawn on 03/13/2009 11:17 am
Kryssi K

Oh Candice…the more I read from you, the more I respect you. First the brushing off superstitions as "cheap literary contrivances", then your sudden epiphany of how disturbing the act of carving into someone else’s flesh is…I can relate all to well. I can never fully articulate WHY I won’t eat most meat (I’ve tried to cut out ALL meat and have at times succeeded, but, I am only human after all…). It’s more of a matter of "Why am *I* the one being questioned here? How come YOU have no qualms about feasting on someone else’s flesh?!" Because, really, it’s the easiest thing in the world to imagine your own carcass being on that plate. It’s not superstition; it’s compassion.

But it’s hard to say that to people without being, what you called, "a pain the ass"…so at dinner, I simply shut the you-know-what up and silently question the sick nature of my own species.

By Kryssi K on 03/13/2009 1:05 pm
EKA -

Ah, yes, a wee bit o’ blarney is appropriate this weekend. My Husband is matching in the parade in HTFD on Sat … he was the Irishman of the year a few years ago and it totally went to his big Irish head so he marches every year now, and his mother was English & Swedish so he’s a stubborn coot to boot. My mother, like you, when she married my Italian father, had to learn to make a good sauce, which she learned from one of his 6 sisters, ( probably because a boiled dinner wouldn’t cut it with my dad :-) and her lasagna became famous.  

You know, thinking of this wonderful nationality blending, you should go over the the Rachel Maddow thread where I was having an interesting conversation with Lou Hoover about Southern vs Yankee manners, something I’ve thought about and had a difficult time explaining. It would be nice if you could improve my lame attempts.

Top o’ the mornin to ye, me dear, have a good weekend ♧

By EKA - on 03/13/2009 6:48 pm
Gerri Lynn
My attitude towards meat is if it moves around on its own, I don’t eat it. Since even shellfish can technically move on its own, it gets included in the do not want category.
By Gerri Lynn on 03/13/2009 8:50 pm
Lizzie R.
Since this all is so grossing me out, I will add something else that I was once told…..eating an egg is eating a chicken’s abortion. Well that is a bit far fetched, but I occasionally think about it when eating eggs. Then I read that plants can feel pain, so does it hurt when vegetables & fruits are harvested? I was eating baby carrots tonight, and started thinking of the separation from their mother as I was canibalistic scarfing them down. HELP!!
By Lizzie R. on 03/14/2009 1:00 am
laureen f
Superstions are age old and hunters were very careful to be respectful and to thank the animal for the giving of its’ life for to give life. All done with an air of religious ceremony. We have forgotten that. Could it be we are no longer thankful?
By laureen f on 03/14/2009 4:55 am
laureen f
By the way…unless the egg is fertilized…it is not a chicken abortion. Please, the chicken lays the egg…it is not ‘aborted’ and if there is no rooster, the egg isn’t fertile…go ahead and eat your eggs guilt free.
By laureen f on 03/14/2009 4:58 am
Lizzie R.
Oh, I do know that. It’s just the mental image of it that plays on the imagination. I am becomming a food freak from mental images, and I have a degree in science too.
By Lizzie R. on 03/15/2009 10:38 pm
RoseMerry Hoffman

Omigawd, I love duck. Done in a cooking bag at 350 degree at half an hour a pound, it will fill the house with an aroma that will make me salivate like Pavlov’s dawg. Then heaven will come to my mouth.

And when you drain the bag, you get lots of a nice light oil and some apsic that makes delicious rice.

Less for Candice, more for meeeeee!

I am such a carnivore. I perfer organic meat, yes, and I am intrigued by the idea of cruelty-free shmeat but I love the taste of dead, cooked flesh.

By RoseMerry Hoffman on 03/16/2009 3:00 am
Alex Guild

i cant eat animals any more either- not since i ofund out where chops come from and what steak actually is lol

i love animals too much :)

By Alex Guild on 03/18/2009 5:20 am