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Conversation | 10/09/2009 3:30 pm

The wOw Conversation: The Predicament of Polanski? (Audio)

In this audio presentation, Liz Smith, Joan Juliet Buck and Julia Reed debate the debacle of Polanski’s predicament.
Image: PR Photos

wOw recently asked its community and Contributors: Do you think Roman Polanski should go to prison? The passion behind the arguments was evident, and so we invited a few of our wOw women to continue the discussion.

Liz Smith, Joan Juliet Buck and Julia Reed’s discussion follows. Click the play button to begin:

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JULIA: "And I think Liz’s point about the fact that in this country, and every country, you’ve got privileged people having a different set of rules.  And, like you say, if this were … I mean, for a long time Catholic priests could get away with this kind of stuff."

JOAN: "This particular chick in the case that happened back in the ‘70s; the girl who Roman Polanski photographed for French Vogue. The assignment was for French Vogue. And this girl was not a random chick. She was a little girl around town in the hot pants who was used to doing qualudes. He was not the first man she’d had sex with … Now I’m not saying bad things about this kid, but I’m saying that this was not a 13-year-old schoolgirl in a uniform on her way back from school, got pulled into a car and raped by a strange man of 43."  

LIZ: "So he went from being that rotten little joke that you heard to being somebody very distinguished. But he still broke the law and ran away and never took any chance to go back and mitigate what he had confessed."  


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Baby  Snooks
The problem is that some do not accept civil law and instead believe only in "moral law" and that of course applies to whichever witch they are attempting to burn at the stake at any particular moment.  The last time they surfaced "en masse" was in the 1950s and they were attempting to burn all the communists at the stake. Including Lucille Ball.  Like Desi Arnaz told Hedda Hopper, the only "red" about Lucille Ball was her hair - the witch burners of course wanted to burn Desi Arnaz and Hedda Hopper at the stake as well. And probably would have had Dwight Eisenhower not stepped in and invited "I Love Lucy" to the White House which more or less signalled the end of the Salem With Trials of the 1950s.  
By Baby Snooks on 10/10/2009 4:36 pm
Frank Somsel

Raquel: Read what this 13 year old went through, then tell me if he should be let go. If this was your daughter, would you think differently? http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

I’m sure Polanskys lawyers are offering this girl a goldmine.

By Frank Somsel on 10/11/2009 8:43 pm
John G
lock him up and throw away the key…
By John G on 10/10/2009 4:41 pm
Frank Somsel

Lock him in a 3’ by 5’ by 4’ cell, then throw away the key. Let him feel what its like to be helpless.

By Frank Somsel on 10/11/2009 8:45 pm
Lin Cercone

Hey John: 

wowOwow, another intelligent, attractive man posting on this site.  Actually, I think your being a little extreme, however I wouldn’t mind locking up some of the women on this thread.  Their lack of knowledge, empathy and/or intelligent insight is shocking.  Great to have a man’s point of view, showing that "feminism" isn’t just a bra burning phase some of us endured, but a movement that made real changes in men as well as women and women’s rights.

Bravo John!

By Lin Cercone on 10/10/2009 5:36 pm
Baby  Snooks

Their lack of knowledge, empathy and/or intelligent insight is shocking.

____________________

Actually your lack of knowledge about the case itself is scary. This was probably a question raised by the prosecutors at the time and most likely will be asked by the defense attorneys now if this goes back to court and trial which may explain why all the charges except the statutory rape charge were dropped.  How do we know that she wasn’t saying "oh, oh, oh" instead of "no, no, no" and I would point out that when she got home she didn’t run to her mother to tell her that she had been raped. She ran to the telephone to call her boyfriend.  We don’t know that she even intended to tell her mother.

By Baby Snooks on 10/10/2009 5:51 pm
Scarlett Ohara Mitchell
Well, I am only guessing here…. but if mom sent me into the Lion’s Den, I migh have have second thoughts about "confiding" in dear old mom. Boyfrind probably seemed like a better, safer confidant. And just for the record, I am very sorry for the continued pain that this is bringing to the victim. But had Polanski took his punishment 30 years ago, this would be a mute point. AND it REALLY doesn’t matter if she said Oh OH OH, she was a MINOR (not a child). What part of that don’t YOU get?
By Scarlett Ohara Mitchell on 10/11/2009 1:12 pm
Baby  Snooks

AND it REALLY doesn’t matter if she said Oh OH OH, she was a MINOR (not a child). What part of that don’t YOU get?

________________

It absolutely does matter. But there is no point in trying to explain it to you. 

By Baby Snooks on 10/11/2009 3:19 pm
Scarlett Ohara Mitchell
It doesn’t matter in the eyes of the law ( and that is the whole point!! He broke the law!) and for someone who is so obssesesd with protecting this victim, you do her no service by calling her liar when she herself testified that she said "NO" and she said it more than once. It seems so contridictory to me that you are so concerned about Samantha and yet you accuse of her of being a slutty seductress on the one hand and a liar on the other. You may feel free to try and explain anything you like to me, or not. I will still see the "facts" in this case differently than you.
By Scarlett Ohara Mitchell on 10/11/2009 3:31 pm
Baby  Snooks

A 28-page probation officer’s report completed in September of that year presented a broadly sympathetic portrait of Mr. Polanski and his behavior, even while acknowledging that the victim, Samantha Geimer (who has since publicly identified herself), had offered grand jury testimony of forcible rape.

Submitted by the acting probation officer Kenneth F. Fare, and signed by a deputy, Irwin Gold, that report, which recommended against further jail time, said “the present offense appears to have been spontaneous and an exercise of poor judgment by the defendant.”

In a further conclusion that appeared to shed blame on the victim, it said, “There was some indication that circumstances were provocative, that there was some permissiveness by the mother,” who had allowed Ms. Geimer to spend time with Mr. Polanski. And, in a conclusion that might particularly jar readers today, it pointed toward evidence “that the victim was not only physically mature, but willing.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/movies/11polanski.html?_r=1&bl

It’s very hard for victims to look into a mirror.  The reflection at first is black and white.  And then suddenly there are these shades of gray. I know because I’m a victim who looked into a mirror.  

Those shades of gray run from completely innocent to completely guilty.  They don’t make us less a victim nor do they make someone else less a victimizer.  But they are there. And everyone from the police to the prosecutors to the juries see the gray. That is reality.  The mob never does. But then our system of justice is such that we do not allow the mob to determine innocence or guilt. Or punishment.  Sadly, it times, the mob prevails just the same.

We as a society also have to look in the mirror. And we have to look at the grays as well as the black and white.

By Baby Snooks on 10/11/2009 7:42 pm
Scarlett Ohara Mitchell
We don’t know that she even intended to tell her mother. You mean there is something you don’t know? I am shocked!
By Scarlett Ohara Mitchell on 10/11/2009 1:14 pm
Raquel Miller

"Hey John: 

wowOwow, another intelligent, attractive man posting on this site.  Actually, I think your being a little extreme, however I wouldn’t mind locking up some of the women on this thread.  Their lack of knowledge, empathy and/or intelligent insight is shocking.  Great to have a man’s point of view, showing that "feminism" isn’t just a bra burning phase some of us endured, but a movement that made real changes in men as well as women and women’s rights.

Bravo John!"

By Lin Cercone  I don’t Lin, if we lock everyone in this thread for "Their lack of knowledge, empathy and/or intelligent insight", well Baby Snooks and I might be the only one’s posting :)
By Raquel Miller on 10/10/2009 6:14 pm
Baby  Snooks
Unless Whoopi manages to sneak out of her room and finds a computer and joins us. 
By Baby Snooks on 10/10/2009 8:14 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
So what am I, chopped liver?
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/10/2009 11:12 pm
Baby  Snooks
Chopped liver? More like fine pate.  And definitely one of us.  Us versus them. Oy vey.
By Baby Snooks on 10/11/2009 7:09 am