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A Friend Stopped By | 03/16/2009 7:45 am

So, the Boys at AIG Are Getting a Bonus? Ask Shelby White

By Shelby White
© Getty Images

Editor’s Note: Shelby White is a New York-based writer whose work has appeared in Barron’s, The New York Times and Forbes. She is the author of What Every Woman Should Know About Her Husband’s Money, published by Random House in 1992.   

So the boys at A.I.G. are getting a bonus. Seems to me someone has it backwards. According to the report in The New York Times, the money is a retention bonus. But why would anybody want to keep those same fellows who got A.I.G. into all that trouble? If the numbers are correct, total retention pay was slated to be $450 million. This caused even Secretary Geithner to complain, so in response to pressure, A.I.G. agreed to reduce its 2009 bonuses by 30 percent. And Mr. Geithner garnered a further concession when A.I.G. agreed that $9.6 million slated to go to the 50 top executives would be cut in half with part of the money tied to performance.

Wait a minute. While it’s been a (very) long time since I took high school Latin, I still know that "bonus" comes from the Latin word for good. So how can this money be called a bonus? I propose that, instead, we institute the "malus" (again, my high school Latin – but this time a made-up word for bad). The "malus" would make the boys give back money until A.I.G. made a profit. Sounds fair to me.

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Shirley Neitzel
Congress has "rewritten" other contracts!  Time to force AIG to give back the money and fire the "talent"!  We own 80%!  Run our business correctly!
By Shirley Neitzel on 03/16/2009 2:43 pm
Paula Thornton

No way should they be given bonuses for running their financial "expertise" in the toilet.  I strongly will urge Congress and the President to get this money back from AIG.  This is deplorable and definitely they need to be held accountable.

By Paula Thornton on 03/16/2009 3:13 pm
Jean How

I think ANY company that gets bailed out by government should be responsible to keep track of where their money they got goes to. 

I think its wrong for people to abuse the tax payers money like its water.  From taking bonus’s when other companies are cutting back people’s paychecks (and you still get stuck with insurance and medical costs) and they worry if tomorrow they still have a job. 

Even the schools are slicing staff and closing down schools. 

So when I hear about oh poor so and so, he can’t live his old way….I’m thinking, be thankful he still has a roof over his head.  And when they start being forced to eat NON-named brand canned foods, and are worried about the prices of lunches at their children’s schools. THEN I’ll have some sympathy for them.

I’ve lived through a business downsizing and my husband out of work for a year and a half where we lost our home to foreclosure (because of around Katrina time, the paperwork didn’t get back in time to say that we were refinanced).

Each day I give thanks that we’re still a family.  Through thick and thin.

If anything I think instead of just brushing it under the rug with AIG and other companies like that, they should clean out and get rid of some of those upper managements that obviously are so caughted up in their own little world not seeing about those who work so hard UNDER them doing most the work that is trying to keep their company afloat.

I’ll get off my soapbox now. :sighs:  But seriously, AIG and any corporate that filled with corruption REALLY needs to be forced to pay back the money.

 As for blaming it on Obama, remember this mess is what he was DUMPED with from how many years of other people’s mistakes? So, before blaming him.  Do your homework.  He just got into the job.  It can’t be fixed over night.

I think personally if it is said "IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD".  I think it takes the PEOPLE of this NATION to work side by side even if it is sweat work, to help REBUILD this United States.

Not one person put us here, but we all shouldn’t be so much better than our neighbor that we can’t work together to start making even small steps in correcting it at basically GROUND ZERO.

We’ve been cleaning up after people in power for how long now?  Why stop now?  This time though, make your voices heard through congress, your congressman, your representatives, who ever it takes.

You put these people in office.  Don’t talk about it, DO something about it.  People in power usually don’t have any thoughts about worrying about what they see in the mirror each day.

It’s people like us who have a conscious.

By Jean How on 03/16/2009 3:50 pm
Donna Golden

I would like someone to explain to me how a company rewards people for practices that have forced the company to the brink of bankruptcy?  Have times changed so much that you get paid for not doing your job?

 

By Donna Golden on 03/16/2009 4:26 pm
A Amedee

Donna,

Personally, I find the behavior of these CEOs appalling; to receive tax payers money and give themselves million dollars bonuses and not flinch. That to me is cold. In my opinion, some of them are psychopaths; and that may not be far from the truth.There is a saying that there are more psychopaths out there in society than there are in mental hospitals and in prisons; and I believe that this is so true and the experts are beginning to believe this old wives tale too. Those psychopaths that are institutionalized are probably the ones that are a bit low in intelligences and have little education; therefore they are unable to control their madness. Hence, the reason why they do not walk among us.  Based on the recent events and the actions concerning the behavior of those in our financial institutions; it makes you wonder what type of individuals would gives themselves million dollars bonuses and  not think twice about doing so given the state of our economy and the fact that so many people have lot so much. Yet, they are using American’s tax dollars to do so free of guilt. Well I have one word in mind. Some of they are just plain psychopaths. I am not a psychiatrist or a rocket scientist, but it should not take one a lot of thinking to come to that conclusion.  While doing a research paper, I came across several articles about men in suits behaving badly. I will not elaborate my thoughts any further on this subject. I will let you read it from the experts. You should click on this link below. It might give you some insight as to why these Wall Street characters behave in the manner that they do.  “Are some corporate CEO’s, doctors, lawyers, politicians and scientists psychopaths? The answer could be “yes” if you use a definition which labels individuals who are often intelligent and highly charismatic, but display a chronic inability to feel guilt, remorse, or anxiety about any of their actions. Tack on the use of violence and intimidation to control others and satisfy selfish needs and the label expands.”Monday, Jul 3 (Psych Central) — http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/07/03/improving-the-definition-of-%e2%80%98psychopath%e2%80%99
By A Amedee on 03/16/2009 7:33 pm
A Amedee

Oops, excuse the typos!!!!

By A Amedee on 03/16/2009 7:34 pm
Donna Golden
Thank you for your thoughts.  I did read the article and agree that perhaps these "over" achievers are psychopaths.  I just wonder how they can take the money for destroying their company?  This country at one time had a conscious  and people tried to do the right thing.  Now it seems the people we look to for direction are in it for money and nothing else.  I find it hard that all the educated people we have in government can be  taken advantage of by these executives and there isn’t anyone smart enough to find a way to stop this stealing.  And it is legal stealing.  What happened to ethics?  If one gets rich then other’s just seem to fall in line behind them.  It all is so sad to see what is happening to what was once a great country.  It breaks my heart to see how far we have fallen just for the bottom line to please the stock holders.
By Donna Golden on 03/17/2009 4:11 pm
Frannie Em

Donna

AIG not only forced the company to the brink, but it took the United States with it.

AIG paid the Deutche Bank $11.9 Bil and a French Bank $11.9 Bil.  

By Frannie Em on 03/16/2009 9:32 pm
Donna Golden
we are truly on the brink of losing our country simply for money and greed.  The bottom line is all corporations look at and employees are like furniture and can be replaced on a whim.  I feel heart break for families who have lost their jobs and who were simply working to make ends meet at AIG while the fat cats were destroying the company.  I doubt there is anyone in this country that hasn’t known someone that has lost their job or because someone lost a job they are now on the brink of disaster.  I just never thought this country would be in such a gut wrenching down spiral. 
By Donna Golden on 03/17/2009 4:16 pm
rocky rocky

I hesitate to copy an article but you all gotta read this one (link below):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-black-tom-ferguson-rob-johnson-walker-todd/how-to-stop-aigs-bonuses_b_175351.html

 

How to Stop AIG’s Bonuses

By William K. Black, Thomas Ferguson, Robert Johnson, and Walker Todd

AIG’s decision to pay out at least a hundred and sixty five million dollars in bonuses takes the bank bailout program’s abuse of the public trust to a whole new level.

This act simply cannot be allowed to stand. The only question is how to stop it.

"Sanctity of contracts" has for some time been TARP’s equivalent of Harry Potter’s magic wand, the thing you waved to make difficulties disappear (for financiers, of course; if you are an ordinary worker with a pension contract, by contrast, the magic doesn’t work for you). AIG clearly takes the Treasury, the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration for fools, who can be counted on to roll over yet again at the first whisper of the magic words. There is no reason for agents of the people of the United States, whose money AIG plays with, to be so sheep-like. Remember that this is a firm that is 79.9% owned by the United States government. It is therefore quite possible to abort this outrage by decisive exercise of public authority. Within existing law, there is more than one way to do it, but a direct solution is readily at hand: Firstly, the US trustees in charge of the firm must immediately instruct the corporate treasurer to make no payments of any bonuses. They also need to order him to issue stop payment orders on any checks that fly out the door at the last minute, as with Merrill Lynch. Then the trustees need to split off the derivatives unit from the rest of the firm and separately incorporate it. This step leaves AIG’s other businesses free to operate as usual. If the recipients of the bonuses refuse to waive them, then the derivatives unit should at once be thrown into bankruptcy, terminating all obligations to pay them. Right now, press reports suggest that the firm’s top management waited until the last minute to inform the government of what was happening. AIG CEO Edward Liddy, accordingly, should be asked to resign at once, for the sake of public confidence and to send a clear signal that gaming the system is unacceptable. It is also past time for an investigation of the validity of AIG’s past accounting and securities disclosures and its executive compensation program by the Office of Thrift Supervision, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and the FBI.This leaves open the question of how to deal with all other obligations of the derivatives unit, including the notorious credit default swaps. We, like most independent analysts, are mystified by the determination of the Federal Reserve and Treasury to keep paying these off at 100% of their face value. But that’s an issue for tomorrow. Today the task is to stop a grotesque abuse before it is too late. The path we outline here would do it, without throwing markets into turmoil. Nothing less than public confidence in the United States government as a whole is now at stake. 

 

By rocky rocky on 03/16/2009 5:41 pm
Donna Golden
I am amazed that AIG has to honor contracts.  Why are the credit card companies allowed to change the terms of their contracts at their whim?  Cardholders have entered into a contract with the credit card company  and certainly can not change any of the terms of that contract.  Yet we all are at the mercy of the credit card company who are changing these contracts daily without notifing the cardholder.  Citibank has taken over the world when it comes to issuing credit cards.  No one in Congress or in the House has lifted a finger to limit Citibank from changing any contract in their favor.
By Donna Golden on 03/17/2009 4:22 pm
rocky rocky
It’s all topsy turvy, seemsto me. These ‘Wall Street’ guys are playing fast and loose with all the rules, andit’s always in their favor, always on our backs, always with their hands in ourpockets. But every time I get a steam up (daily!), I realize how reallyignorant I am when it comes to the intricacies of financial matters, so I stepback, take a breath, and put my trust in my president. 
By rocky rocky on 03/17/2009 4:59 pm
Cathy Scanlon
I believe that there is no way that the taxpayers will ever get their money back from AIG, therefore, the 450 that has ruin this company can take their bonus and join the unemployment lines. If the President can not get them do what is right then he should force them out!! After all the taxpayer deserve that much!
By Cathy Scanlon on 03/16/2009 5:44 pm
Carol Townsend
I want a job !! Can i get a bonus??
By Carol Townsend on 03/16/2009 6:11 pm
Elle Kaye

Help, y’all!  Researching on-line last night, I came across an article on these bogus AIG "bonuses" which stated that not only will these be given, but another batch will be issued in July.  Has anyone else encountered this information?  I can’t find the piece today. 

By Elle Kaye on 03/16/2009 6:55 pm