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The Etceterist | 03/09/2009 9:30 am

The Down Index: Hamptons Real Estate Confidential

By Billy Norwich
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The Etceterist recently sat down for a chat with Mary Slattery, one of the Corcoran Group’s most popular brokers, specializing in East End Long Island deals, big and small. And, always good with sharing, he’s passed along the transcript:

THE ETCETERIST: Is it true that, because of the financial crisis, everything is for sale in the Hamptons and everything can be bought for 50 percent of the asking price?

MARY SLATTERY: Sorry for the buyers, happy for the sellers, but no, that isn’t entirely accurate. Is there a sign in Times Square that says “Hamptons 50% Off”? There must be. But it is an urban legend. Yes, in the very high end, prices are dropping dramatically, but it just goes to show that, in many cases, before this crisis, things were overpriced.

ETC: How about rentals? Fifty percent off listed price, right?

MARY: I think there is a perception in the media that everyone is tanking out here, but that is an incorrect assumption. Some people are and some aren’t and for every seller who has to sell, or put their place up for rent, there is a seller or a renter who is taking his or her house off the market until prices stabilize or come back up, which, of course, they will eventually. They always do.

ETC: But these guys I hear about who are putting in offers via their brokers on houses they haven’t even seen, offering 50 percent less than the asking price — have you heard that?

MARY: A buyer I have worked with over the years recently called me up and told me to put out offers on 16 properties — all sight unseen — priced in the millions. In each case, his offering price was 40 percent to 50 percent less than the listed price.

ETC: You didn’t do it, did you?

MARY: Yes, I did. You have to. We are obligated to present to the sellers all offers on their property no matter how low.

ETC: How many accepted the offers?

MARY: None.

ETC: None? I would have thought …

MARY: Sometimes it might work, but there are other reasons besides financial disaster why people sell their houses. Maybe the house is on the market because they want out of the Hamptons; or their kids are grown; or they want a new decorating project; or they are doing estate planning and don’t want the house in their estate. They don’t have to sell, so they can wait or take the house off the market. Same with renting; a lot of people rent their houses in the summer so they can get out of here, avoid what the Hamptons becomes in summer, like a camp for grown-ups. Maybe this summer they won’t rent — won’t go to Europe, but will stay home.

ETC: But some guys keep offering 50 percent less until they find the people who have to sell. I know of a guy who did that a couple weekends ago. He made offers, sight unseen, on five $4.5 million properties, offering $3 million each — and two offers were accepted.

MARY: Predatory buyers — they aren’t going away. The vulture is a very patient bird.

7 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

ted kruckel

Billy,

My first time reading you here.  Hope you are well, not sure if you remember me.

 

You should send this story to your colleague Liz Smith, who has a Hamptons item up now that needs a little fact checking.

 

 

By ted kruckel on 03/09/2009 11:25 am
Ms. Dee
"…a new, enlightened way to do business."  I like that idea.  Beats scrounging around at the bottom of the barrel.  Good luck, Ms. Slattery.  Spearhead the trend!
By Ms. Dee on 03/09/2009 12:12 pm
Green Tears
I’m with you, Ms. Dee! Good luck with ‘new, enlightened ways to do business’ in the real estate market. It would definitely be miraculous if such conduct were to catch on.
By Green Tears on 03/10/2009 8:44 am
Chips AHoey
We are seeing the same thing in coastal Maine - nothing is moving but the prices are not coming down - they are just waiting it out…
By Chips AHoey on 03/11/2009 10:04 pm
Vicki Carroll

I’m surprised I didn’t see this when it was posted - my husband and I are real estate brokers in the Portland, Oregon area, and I must agree, there have always been and will always be predatory buyers. I disagree with Ms. Slattery on one item, however - if I am not the listing agent for a property, I will refuse to write a predatory offer on the property. If the buyer is determined to write an outrageous offer, they may write it with the listing agent. I had a buyer who placed a ridiculous offer on a house a few years back, and the buyer was insulted when the seller declined to respond (allowing the offer to expire - this is rejection by expiration). He cheerfully told me I could write all his offers (he had taken one of the classes from a TV infomercial "real estate specialist", obviously). I told him he could write them with another agent. I don’t have the stomach for that kind of conduct. It is an enormous waste of my time, and the other agent’s and seller’s time as well.

The selling agent may place a quick phone call, and ask the listing agent, "if a buyer places an offer of $XYZ,000 on your listing, will the seller be willing to entertain it?". This will dispose of the need to write the many pages of paperwork necessary to complete even a simple offer. Verbal offers are never binding, but the offer will be written, if the seller is willing to consider it.

I so agree, much of what is perceived to be depreciation in the market is from the perception of a rise in values in 2007, and many sellers were unrealistic following that rise, about the values of their homes. In our market, there was so little inventory available in 2005, 2006, and part of 2007, that when Intel or Nike transferred employees into the area, if they wanted to purchase a home, they were forced into bidding wars. Many home prices were temporarily inflated to prices which could not remain tenable for very long. Unfortunately, this coincided with a time of easy mortgages, with little documentation. At the time, my husband and I did not consider those few sales which did take place to be indicative of market values. Some homes went up 20% within a one to two year time frame! Clearly that sort of growth cannot be sustained by even the healthiest market (and, who would want it to?). Housing was removed from the cost of living index during the Reagan administration, but is an enormous part of the cost of living.

So, if the prices for which a few homes sold in a period of scarcity were apocryphal, and not a true indication of value, should all other homes in the area have their values adjusted upward, following that spurious key? It was my opinion at the time that some homes should not have appraised for the sale prices they received, yet they did. I remember, it was nearly impossible to find comparable sales to key the prices to at the time.

So, a large part of what is considered to be a reduction in values may be seen as a reset to 2004 prices, prior to an anomalous  and misleading temporary run up in prices. 

Fortunately for my husband and me, we sold very few residential homes during that period. We sold a couple of farm properties which sold in the million $ range and above, a five acre piece of development property which has since been developed into fifty residential building lots, and a handful of average residential homes. Those larger transactions were complex enough that they took up much of our time, and prevented us from experiencing that frenzied market to the degree that many of our colleagues did.

We told our few residential buyers at the time, that some of the talk in the media about the "housing bubble" (how I hated those words!) may have some truth - they would need to be sure they were in their homes for the long run, and that they were happy with the home, and felt it was a good home for their needs. There may, after their purchase, be some market adjustment. Eventually, markets recover from these things, but it takes time and patience.

Our market has been very slow for a couple of years. It seems in the past month that buyers have gotten tired of waiting, and are finally finding loans, and placing offers, or planning to buy. Market activity is picking up, and there is cause for optimism.

Please wish our beleagured sector of this economy the best, I have heard the rest of the economy will follow us as we recover. -

Vicki Carroll

By Vicki Carroll on 04/26/2009 6:43 pm