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Wall Street Weekly | 07/31/2009 1:20 pm

Geithner Promises Thrift to Chinese … Someday, by Liz Peek


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Bears, Bulls, Chickens and Pigs: wOw’s Wall Street Weekly with Liz Peek (Week of 7/27) 

Editor’s Note: Liz Peek is a financial columnist and the author of wOw’s SHEconomics.

The stock market continued to celebrate better-than-expected earnings reports this week, climbing 9% for the month of July – one of the best months ever. Maybe higher stock valuations and the growing consensus that housing prices will not, after all, go to zero, will get consumers spending again. While companies boosted profits by cutting expenses to the bone earlier this year, they have yet to see growth in demand. We now need revenue gains, followed by job increases, to keep this market rolling.

We also need to see Americans’ wrath about soaring government spending tame the exuberant fixer-uppers in Congress and the Obama administration. It’s not just taxpayers that are worried about rising U.S. budget deficits. How do we feel about Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner having to promise China’s assistant finance minister (not even the real finance minister) that the U.S. will do everything possible to bring "our fiscal deficits down to a more sustainable level once recovery is firmly established"? Talk about a "Mother, may I?" moment!

The president does not appear to have bought into Geithner’s promised thriftiness. Despite a very clear thumbs-down from Americans on his trillion-dollar health-care legislation, President Obama continues to push for a bill. Polls show that more and more people are not only worried about a prospective change in their existing medical care; they are also worried about the price tag for such an initiative in the midst of a recession. They are right!

The U.S. should be focused on ramping up demand and production in order to generate the tax revenues that will pay down our deficits. The United States is no longer in an impregnable financial position. As in the U.K., from whom we should learn many lessons (the ghastliness of nationalized health care, the ultimate hardship imposed by spending beyond our means, the cost of supporting noncompetitive industries), deficits will ultimately limit what the U.S. can afford. Recently, the U.K. had to cut back defense spending in order to prop up its finances. It was a serious shot across our bow.

In the short run, deficit spending by the U.S. has been warranted by the drastic economic collapse. Boosting outlays through the Stimulus Bill and the actions of the Fed to grow the money supply have been necessary – and helpful. According to ISI, the actions of our government have joined with an unprecedented 698 similar measures undertaken by central banks around the globe, and they have taken hold. There is no question that the world’s economies, almost without exception, are beginning to haul themselves out of a financial ditch. Indications of stabilizing or even rising home prices, declining unemployment claims, improved credit spreads and soaring stock prices all testify to an improving economic outlook both in the U.S. and overseas. Rising government spending has been effective, but it has not been without a cost.

In their ability to pump up demand, all countries are not created equal. The IMF projects the U.S. will spend about 5.6% of our GDP this year boosting the economy, while the figure for Saudi Arabia is 16% and for China it is 12.1%. How can those countries be so aggressive? Because they can afford it. China has more than $2 trillion in foreign reserves and Saudi Arabia has several hundred billion dollars in the bank as well.

We are not so lucky, which is why projections of massive budget deficits cloud the outlook for our country’s growth. We are a debtor nation, and while the world eagerly turns to U.S. government debt when calamity hits, that safe-haven reputation may falter. The stock market stumbled midweek when an especially large sale of Treasury bonds didn’t go well; fortunately the auctions concluded satisfactorily on Thursday. Every time the government comes to market with a large sale now, investors hold their breath.

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Marjorie C.

Liz:  …ramping up demand and production in order to generate the tax revenues that will pay down our deficits.

Since almost everything we buy, in the way of manufactured goods, is made abroad, one might ask who will profit by ramping up demand.  I agree that is the way to go to get people back to work, however buying American made items is not an easy task.  If the appliance or whatever is assembled in America, there is still a good chance the components were made offshore.

But, things are looking better on Wall Street and that in itself inspires confidence to get out and buy again.

Good article.  Much appreciated.

By Marjorie C. on 07/31/2009 2:02 pm
deber B
Good post, Marjorie, but even though things look good on Wall Street, I think we are headed for a big downturn.   The next wave of foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc. all from those who have lost their jobs will test the market again.  The healthcare bill in its present form (and we all know it will be tweaked and honed later) has created bad feelings and discouragement towards our present administration.   I believe we need  a reason to make Americans feel good about our country.  Once that happens, the tide will turn…yet….again.
By deber B on 07/31/2009 4:42 pm
Marjorie C.

deber:  I think we are headed for a big downturn.   The next wave of foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc. all from those who have lost their jobs will test the market again. 

Recessions are cyclical, we’ve always had them.  The difference I see with this downturn is that the potential for recovery is just not there.  We can buy all we want, but we create only a sales tax revenue for the state we reside in.  Shippers and distributors make money, but the guy/gal on Unemployment gets no piece of that pie other than maybe an extension of benefits which is some cases is barely enough to feed a person.  Low-paying jobs result in low U.C. benefits. 

Then, there’s the silly cap and trade idea on the table.  That’ll just tighten up the job market as manufacturers who are unable to sustain the bottom line of profitability will close down.    

Granted, the Stimulus money has saved jobs but it has created nothing in the way of new jobs that can last longer than the the available stimulus money.  And we all know that cannot continue.

So where is the robust economy going to come from?  Which sector of our economy cannot be outsourced other than the obvious government jobs and service jobs?   

It took us a while to get here, and it will take us an even longer time to reliably turn it around.  One thing is certain, borrowing in vast amounts is not going to solve anything.        

By Marjorie C. on 08/01/2009 5:59 am
Lee Harrison
The Federal government seems to be the only "business" hiring. (Think of all the new support staff required just for the Czars!)  I recently read that unemployment in DC is about 6%, compared with over 10% here in Ohio and 15% in Michigan.  Since the government isn’t in the business of making a profit, the private sector is going to have to pay for all this in the form of taxes.
By Lee Harrison on 08/04/2009 6:21 pm
Liz Peek
Dear Deber- I hope you’re wrong, but I must say I was reading some work by a fellow named Casey that made me nervous. His view is that the commercial real estate industry is just heading into the abyss, which is true- and that the consequences are going to be deadly. My concerns are that higher taxes, which are coming as the Bush tax cut lapse and in addition as the gov tries to pay for the health bill, are going to provae a major dampener to the economy. We’ve read this script before. Still, the market has proved a good predictor- let’s hope it continues positive! best - Liz
By Liz Peek on 08/01/2009 9:16 am
Liz Peek
Thanks Marjorie- you’re right- we import a great deal of what we consume - but not all! Small businesses from restaurants to service stations, boutiques etc make up a huge part of the economy- they need help! Good weekend- Liz
By Liz Peek on 08/01/2009 9:08 am
beth willis

Sincere question, seeking information:  why are so many American factory jobs shipped overseas?  I thought businesses did it for cheaper labor and to avoid taxes.  How do we bring those jobs back here?

Peace and grace

By beth willis on 08/01/2009 1:03 pm
Liz Peek
Hi Beth- that’s the 64-million dollar question. President Obama thinks we can create a lot of new jobs by sponsoring "green" energy- and let’s hope he’s right, though sadly the big manufacturers of wind turbines etc are overseas. The US remains the leader in intellectual capital products - movies, software, financial innovation, oilfield technology and so on, which is why wages have increasingly expanded relative to educational levels. We are still the best innovators in the world, I believe. Businesses do ship jobs overseas to access lower wages - they must in order to compete in global markets, which nearly all companies aspire to do. One way to bring some jobs home is to give companies an investment tax credit for labor-reducing machinery; if companies can lower their production costs, they would far rather produce at home - where they deal with political security. It’s a tough issue! All the best - Liz
By Liz Peek on 08/02/2009 11:48 am
beth willis

Thank you for your response, Liz. I agree about tax credits as an incentive to bring our businesses back home.  Here in Texas, the Association of Businesses has challenged the Texas Education Agency because of the Agency’s false formula to register the state’s dropout rate.  The Agency recently announced a 12% dropout rate, which the business organizations countered with claims that the number is closer to 30%.  In a knee-jerk reaction to the higher rate, the head TEA is calling for a voluntary ban by businesses to stop hiring any person who does not have a high school diploma.  Bussinesses have cried foul.  I don’t know how other state’s rank with their dropout rate, but I strongly believe the strongest two areas to improve education and contribute to a rising economy are for businesses to keep joining in alliances with public schools….to let students know what their prospects will be and the students’ responsibility to qualify.  Another is for colleges and universities to stop providing so many remedial classes….the constant complaint that high school graduates do not arrive on college campuses prepared, can be solved by colleges concentrating on education rather than operating as a business.  The trickle down effect from higher standards at the top will affect education standards all the way to elementary school.  If one does not know how or where he is going, it really doesn’t matter how long he takes to get there.  Let’s put some responsibilty on those who will most benefit from a stonger education system.

Peace and grace

By beth willis on 08/03/2009 11:33 am
deber B

Our Founding Fathers left one legacy that’s not celebrated on Independence Day but that affects all of us.   It’s the national debt.  Our country first got into debt to help pay for the Revoluntionary War.  The debt has grown ever since and now stands at a staggering $11.5 trillion. and it is expanding by more than $1 trillion a year.   The United States first went into the "red" in 1790 when it assumed $75 million in the war debts of the Continental Congress.   Since then, the nation has been free of debt only once, in 1834-35.

Interest payments on our debt alone cost $452 billion last year - the largest federal spending category after Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and defense.   And the Treasury is finding it harder to find new lenders.

If it will make anyone feel any better, the United States is not the only nation struggling under a huge national debt.   Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDP’s.  

All of this brings to mind something that happened many years ago. 

On May 1, 1941, the first Series E U.S. Savings Bond was sold to President Franklin D. Roosevelt by Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau. On January 3, 1946, the last proceeds from the Victory Bond campaign were deposited to the Treasury. The War Finance Committees, in charge of the loan drives, sold a total of $185.7 billion of securities. This incredible mass selling achievement (for helping to finance the war) has not been matched, before or since. By the end of World War II, over 85 million Americans had invested in War Bonds, a number unmatched by any other country.

Please hold that thought.

The overall debt is now slightly more than 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U. S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product.  By historical standards, it’s not proportionately as high as World War II, when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP.  However, it is still a large liability.

I agree with Liz, that as time goes by, as demographics suggest, things will get worse before they get better, even after the recession ends, as more and more baby boomers retire and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare Benefits.   No wonder Americans are showing concern over Obama’s handling of the economy and our enormous debt.  We are on an utterly unsustainable fiscal course.   We aren’t guessing anymore.

Now, let’s go back to that thought you were holding.   Perhaps it is time for America to pull together and buy the equivalent of  Roosevelt’s War bonds during World War II.   We are, indeed, on a collison course and if all Americans can chip in, through payroll deduction or their retirement accounts and pledge to buy the 2009 Crisis Bonds we might be able to save our own country and get back on the right track.   

 

 

By deber B on 07/31/2009 2:27 pm
Andrea Brandon

Deber and Liz,

Excellent work.

I think the bond idea is excellent. I remember when the bonds were a mainstay of the defense industry. Big corporations would challenge all the departments in a race to sign up employees for the payroll deductions which were as minimal as $1.00 a week. It was nice getting those bonds, throwing them in a safety deposit box and just forgetting about them. You made money and the country didn’t have to stick its hand out to other countries. Great concept. Why did we ever get away from it?

But instead of calling them "Crisis Bonds," why not something more uplifting like "America’s Future" or "Working Together for a Better America"?

By Andrea Brandon on 07/31/2009 2:53 pm
deber B

Bonds in times of crisis are an investment in our own country.  They can hold them for 10 to 15 years….who cares as long as it helps our country avoid this financial explosion.  

By deber B on 07/31/2009 3:05 pm
Marjorie C.

deber:  Bonds

Bonds are a nifty idea, but the population and the times are vastly different from the 1940’s.  The Me Generation just might not be willing to tie up their money for the sake of the greater good.  These are the folks who like gadgets and stuff.  Saving is not a strong point with them.  Live for today and inherit from the old folks.  Problem is…  they is the old folks.  Now what?   

By Marjorie C. on 08/01/2009 6:14 am
Lady Gator

Liz and Deber— Remember the campaign motto "It’s the economy stupid".  Well, many people in this country are using that motto today.  There are more Americans concerned about the "economy" than any other fact.  We are concerned about our businesses, our homes and our futures.  We look to Washington for stability, and instead of finding that stability, we are confronted with more spending, and just waiting for the "next shoe to drop" in spending in Washington.  We now find that the "Cash for Clunkers" ran short on money.  So, Washington has approved more money spent over the 1 billion already allocated for this program.  Where did the "new" money come from?  Who will pay for it?   And my question is if we can’t manager a "cash for clunkers" program, how in the name of heaven are we going to organize, operate, fund, and support the Medical Care Program?  Suppose this program comes to fruition - how long can we support the funding for same and how long would the program last.  It would be a total disgrace for the American people if this program becomes law and then hits a wall.  I wonder if this has been considered in the rush to get this bill signed.  Perhaps, if the American people had the time to just draw a deep breath and the opportunity to wait until the economy starts to show some strength - they might be more supportive of this plan.   

Yes, Deber, when I was a little girl, during WW2 I was one of those 85 million people who invested in War Bonds.  I would buy my bonds each week.  I would be more than happy to have 2009 "Crisis Bonds" deducted by payroll deduction.  I’m sure there are other Americans that would also favor that deduction.  I can also remember President Roosevelt speaking to the nation, during that period, he congratulated the American people on their War Bond endeavor. He made all of us know we were contributing to the war effort and making our country strong.  And, back then there were Hollywood Stars that gave of their time and effort for war bond rallies.  But that was back then - I don’t know if this country could pull off this same support today! 

By Lady Gator on 07/31/2009 3:17 pm
Liz Peek
Hi Lady! I agree one hundred percent- rushing through legislation that concerns every single American- and that involves supposedly 16 or 17% of the GDP is terrible. I read a piece in the New Yorker about Al Franken, who after his first day in the Senate was astonished that he was asked to sign a bill that was hundreds of pages - and given about 14 minutes to read it. Welcome to Congress! Best - Liz
By Liz Peek on 08/01/2009 12:37 pm