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Poll | 07/21/2009 11:00 pm

Have you ever had to consciously choose between starting a family and getting ahead in your career?

At a recent conference, Jack Welch said, "Women climbing the corporate ladder must choose between taking time off to raise children and reaching the corner office," reports Jim Impoco on Newser. Have you ever had to choose?

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SURA B

Indeed, what is forgotten is that in the 1950s we did not have access to differerent kinds of contraception, and a post-war economy proved a financial  challenge for young families. However, as an only child, I always knew that I would have 2 or more children, but I also wanted a college education, and a career, and I was not interested in marriage as an immediate goal.

 But, of course, timing is everything, isn’t it? I went to work after graduating from high school, became completely independent at 21, and  worked at office jobs while attending evening classes.  Most men I met were not prospective spouses until I met one whose children I wanted to bear, but not right away.My contemporaries had married early, began searching for their perfect husband, their first house, lawn, garage, and men worked to support the home while their wives  remained at home tending the children and the garden. That was never my goal though I am domestic, can bake, sew,cook entertain, paint rooms, and enjoyed taking care of my chidlre who are 5 1/2 years apart—but despite all those tasks, I managed, whenever possible, to attend college, as well as to be the hostess with the mostess.

I was 25 when I had my son, and that does not seem old in today’s terms, but back then, my contemporaries had their children earlier.When my son was weaned at 8 months,  I had to take a night job because money was very short, and when he was 3 I placed him in a nursery school, very expensive, to help support the home. Eventually, I was able to quit my job to return to college and to be with my son, but instead, I discovered I was pregnant. So,for 2nd  time in my life, I remained at home until my daghter was six, and I earned a B.A., and realized that teaching would be a good solution to earn a living and to be with my children when they came home from school. And, again, I continued studying to earn a Master’s and a doctorate, and continued teaching until I retired in 1995—then, too, I continued teaching part time at 2 colleges, and eventally quit to travel.

 My goal of being self-supporting influenced me throughout my adult life, and I was always involved in our financial issues; most of the women I knew at that time left the finances to their spouses, for better or for worse. Also, working women were criticized by their peers, because there was a Ladies’ Home Journal culture which aimed at stay-at-home mothers. But I had energy, curiosity about the world, and felt equal to any spouse, except that I knew that I did not want to be the sole parent of dependent children.

Betty Friedan’s message of replacing domestic sadness with work was irrelevant to me, for my immigrant mother had worked alongside  my father in our store, and she was a better role model (though I didn’t realize it at the time). If I were forced to return to work similar to those early jobs, I would have felt cheated and angry. Instead, I discovered my metier, and could contribute to paying for my children’s education, as well as remain self-supporting to this day. 

The prevailing culture of the 1950s was carved in concrete, and like an anthropoligist, I observe younger generations of men and women, both fully involved in child rearing, household matters (though  I know it is not eqitable, as yet), and making decisions as partners. The 1950s were very different, and it was the generation of breadwinner and dependents—something irritating and insulting to me.

My goals of having children, gaining an education, and finding a vocation were reached, but required long hours, improvising, because I had no supportive family or community, and taking charge of who I was, though married, was essential. And, of course, marriage required nurturing skills and coping with a male ego resolute in  his agenda which meant no involvement in the mundane problems of family life. And, I would never    claim that there is a direct correlation of an at-home mother and happy child. 

I am still sensitive to the tone of those women who write about remaining at-home mothers until their children grew up, or those  who never worked outside of the home; there is a pervasive tone of superiority and smugness, as though we working mothers cheated our children. Income, status, class, the presence of supportive people, cooperation between spouses, and with the help of  kind grandparents eased the pressures for many; in my case, I had to invent my own way, not always sure whether everyone was satisfied. And, I also realize that my children’s generation and now the youngest to enter the labor force and family life face very complicated challenges. The cliche: "Each to his/her own," is a truism.

By SURA B on 07/22/2009 10:37 am
M. A.G.

"I am still sensitive to the tone of those women who write about remaining at-home mothers until their children grew up, or those  who never worked outside of the home; there is a pervasive tone of superiority and smugness, as though we working mothers cheated our children."

 Shirley, all I can say is "THANK YOU"  for this statement.  It brings tears to my eyes, as I thought that I was the only mom that has to work  that has felt the stinging backlash and yes smugness of the "stay at  home" moms that I know.  As if I put our financial status over the interest of our children.  [ I detest the label "working mom" - I am a mom that has to work - it is not a choice it is a necessity!!!] I was part time for 18 years, until our oldest daughter entered college last year.  I am now full time and it is hard, Hard, HARD - however, I do have a flexible schedule, so I am availble for our youngest who is just starting high school.

 

And for those who think that I have neglected my children in anyway, I have taught Sunday school for over 10 years; I have been a Girl Scout leader for over 13 years, I was the "Friday" mom for both of my daughters classrooms while they were in elementary school.  I have gone on EVERY SINGLE field trip, soccer game, softball game, dance recital, band concert, marching band competition, and girl scout trip that my kids participated in.   

My husband and I met at 16/17.  I completed college, but he did not.  6 weeks after my graduation, we married.  If I could do it over again, I would not have married anyone that could not support his family and children on his income alone.  This issue alone has been the biggest contention of stress in our family.  I WANT TO STAY AT HOME!!!  I DO NOT WANT TO WORK!!!  Would marrying a man that made a decent income have made me a gold-digger??  Maybe, but then I would never had to deal with childcare issues, demanding bosses that dont care that your kid has a temperature of 103 degrees, or needs to be picked up from school with a broken arem.  Quite possibley the worst is the smug look in the stay at home moms eyes that reveals their relief that they do not have to do I what I do on a daily basis.  I had one mom actually tell me that she could never work because that would mean she could not take a nap every afternoon.  A nap!!! are you kidding me??? I am lucky if I get to bed before midnight, only to wake at 5:30 am to start all over again. 

 Every day when driving to work I cry over the situtation I am in.  I think it has become a habit … I fantisize over the great life we would have if I could stay at home and be the mom and wife that I have always wanted to be.  Now that it is summer, my oldest is home from college and the younger one is at home.  I imagine what type of days we could have together.  Maybe go to the pool or beach; teach the girls how to sew.  scrap-booking.  cook a real dinner instead of just throwing stuff together; community service.  movies in the middle of the day; pizza parties; or the most prized of all - just hanging out at home. 

 For those you think that we, as a two income family, are living in the lap of luxury, rest assured, we are not.  We have not had a vacation in over 5 years; our "newest" car is amost 9 years old; I dont wear jewrey; we rarely eat out or go out; we have lived in the same home for 19 years; the newest piece of furniture in our home is 14 years old.  So, where does our money go you wonder???  My husband and I were born and raised in an area of the country, and to put it bluntly, it is just too expensive to live on one income.  I would love nothing more than to sell our home and move to a state where the cost of living is more reasonable.  But, we have lived here all our lives, all of our families are nearby.  In addition, my husband, who absolutely loves his job,  is an engineer in the construction industry and is currently working part time.  His division went from 50 people down to 8 and instead of laying off further, his company rotates out the remaining employees in this department  for "flex" days" [meaning no work and no pay that day].  

 

So, I work - which will and continues to be, the biggest regret of my life.  

By M. A.G. on 07/23/2009 3:41 pm
SURA B

Dear M.A.G., I understand your circumstances and how you feel, and I do remember the fatigue and long hours of doing everything. And, what I write is not to criticize you, but to offer an alternative way of thinking, not an artificial, wishywashy response. First of all, you are an amazing role model to your children, especially your daughters, for they, too, will probably have to work most of their lives. As a former college advisor, I used to say it to every girl who thought she’d be "rescued" by marriage. There is no such thing, and there are tradeoffs. Those who stay at home have to find things to do, because when the children are in school, there is much time, so what do these women do? I used to ask that question over and over again, despite the fact that I was very handy, sewed everything, painted rooms, did all the Superwoman things (my husband was not handy ad not cooperative and not inerested). And, I read like crazy, visiting the library 3 times a week, when I was home for some time.

 Another thing, and you have to know tht I am not mainstream, so you do not have to add up the credits you earned by serving in so many community and social activities. If you liked doing that, fine, but if you didn’t, too bad. I did as little as possible, and reared 2 very independent, capable children both in the arts, who have made interesting lives, worked overseas, visited many places, chose suitable spouses, and supported themselves and their families, with no guarantees of wealth or free rides.. My daughter has always worked, but has help, which  I didn’t. And, my daughter-in-law returned to work as soon as it was time for college for her children, and she did it happily. You and I paid and you will continue to to pay for your children’s education until they establish themselves.

Also, though I admit my earlier jobs wre boring, boring, frustrating, I finally found what I enjoyed, and I always felt positive about contributing to the family’s finances.

As for your husband, he sounds as though he enjoys his work, and we cannot measure people by how high or low their incomes are. Imagine all those guys communitng miles and miles, working at what they hate, while their wives are searching for manicures, taking naps, worrying about their waistlines, etc. 

My husband worked hard, but as an immigrant, he was unable to get the jobs he was qualified for when he earned his Master’s, and changed his work to become a high school math teacher during the post-Sputnik period, and for a while earned less than I did as a secretary. So what! We shared the expenses, and though I also had the worries and the  domestic responsibilities, I felt it was worth it.My immigrant father never earned as much as I did, but my mother and I respected him. 

 Give up yearning for what is not possible. Reward yourself whenever you can, release yourself from guilt. Your children will grow up realizing that you contributed a great deal to them. And, don’t volunteer for anything you don’t want to do. None of us needs approval from anyone else, except from our children, in some cases. Frankly, though I’m conscios of the sneers of at home mothers, I do not respect them for criticizing those of us who have many jobs, for we are grownups taking responsibility, and they live on handouts. 

 When you have some free time, either invite or organze a dinner or get togther with women friends, some single mothers, some who have also worked all their lives; do  not hang out with the smug dependents. That’s my motto, and I am considerably older than you are and know 2 things. When the children are independent, you will be, too, and can spend your earnings as you wish, and the women friends I spent time with years ago, many of them facing similar circumstances, are still friends, though more often by email, because we are dispersed here and abroad.

And, be proud of who you are and what you do! You have nothing to apologize for! When I reflect on the past, I am amazed by how much we could do without much sleep and money. Good luck! You are leading an honorable life!

(If you want a strong retort when someone is rude and compares her stay-at-home status with yours, do say: " I have a marriage based on trust and sharing, and my husband and I share all responsibilites, so what do you do?") 

By SURA B on 07/23/2009 6:32 pm
Maggie W

There was always " the plan."  After I finshed my first degree, I took off for three months and traveled.  Then I came home and started graduate work.  We both knew we would not marry until we had degrees in hand and job offers on the table.  And there was certainly no thought of children when I was 23 and still exploring options.  

 At that time, there were job offers for college grads.  I don’t remember any of my friends or family having trouble finding jobs.  Now, it saddens me to know that so many college grads are saddled with big loans and no job in sight. 

The older I get, the more I realize I was born during the right decade.

 

By Maggie W on 07/22/2009 10:40 am
Diane Western

It was important to my husband and I that one of us - he or I - be able to stay home with a child.   We live in a very expensive part of the country and that opportunity just never presented itself.  So, at 45 that ship has pretty much sailed.

By Diane Western on 07/22/2009 12:33 pm
Belinda Joy

I am so blessed that I always knew I never wanted to start my own family. I  have so many people in my life that have children not by choice…but chance. A night of unprotected sex, heat of the moment passion without a condom, even rape. But for me I always knew I never wanted to give birth. I never wanted to be responsible for raising a human being. I knew and recognize, I am selfish.

I am independent and on a lazy Saturday night if I want to get up and go to the movies out of the blue, I can. If I want to go out for drinks and a comedy club, or art museum or theater in the spur of the moment, I can. I can travel and do what I want, when I want and I love it.  And even though I came close but dodged ending up married, I too am glad I am not married for all of the same reasons I never wanted a child.

But my biggest regret is not succeeding in the line of business I truly want to be in. I can counsel others all day long about going for it and living to the fullest of your capacity, and yet I continue to settle. I’m taking small steps in terms of making career changes, but for the most part I am settling.  That I regret.

By Belinda Joy on 07/22/2009 1:56 pm
Kay Sara
I waited 10 years before having kids- to get my MBA and get my career off the ground.  Then when I had my first baby, although I planned to work & have kids, I couldn’t find child care I was happy with so I had my second son close to my first and took off to raise them.  The best BEST decision I have made in my life.  I would never trade those years with my boys for anything and it gave them a solid foundation.  When I went back to work I skyrocketed so it was not a loss.  And the reduction of income (50%) while I was at home was not bad at all- it costs a lot to work: clothes, services you hire out since you don’t have the time when working, less eating out, less gas. 
By Kay Sara on 07/22/2009 2:38 pm
Liz Coro
I had no choice.  I was a stay at home Mom and caught my husband sticking a needle in his arm.  The choice I had was to go to work; some women are not given a career choice.
By Liz Coro on 07/22/2009 2:48 pm
J Holmes
I feel lucky that I was able to have a choice: children, no children; career outside the home, stay-at-home,etc.
By J Holmes on 07/22/2009 7:28 pm
A R

Technically I "took time off". What actually happened was that both my husband and I needed to finish the college we’d started. Because we had a 2 year old, I stayed home with her in the day and went to school in the evenings. During the day I’d run our home and do my studies with my toddler playing around my feet, and when my husband came home, I’d take our one car and go to class until 10PM while he cared for our child.

When I graduated, we reversed the roles. I went to work full-time and he did the school thing. He took up many home duties and became the parent who took her to the doctor! 

We worked together to make sure we both finished school, got great jobs, and never had to put our daughter in day-care. It requred a lot of material sacrifices (we never had much fun money, shared a car for years, and had short three day vacations), but we made it work. We are a very tightly knit, happy family.

By A R on 07/23/2009 8:24 am
Chips AHoey

actually, upon further reflection, and I could do it over again, I would offer this advice to women thinking of having babies and whether to work:

It’s actually easier to work full-time while thye are little - they go to daycare, they are in one happy spot all day - this is the time to work, and then, when they get into school, start shaving your work hours to their school hours because this is when it gets tricky for their after school activities and being home alone too much - and then, in high school, believe me, you will be so exhausted emotionally from your teenagers you will be happy to just get out of bed in the morning let alone have a high power job - this is when you go to 20 hours a week - then when they get into college, go back to full time

I have 3 kids, (girl) 16, (girl) 10 and (boy) 4 - my 4 yo takes less energy from me than my 16 yo and my  husband and I are always juggling schedules for my 10 yo’s schedule - he is part time right now and it’s the only way it can work

for example, today, I am spent from an argument with my 16 yo last night of how much time she is spending with her boyfriend, that I need to know where she is and that’s not a crazy thing for a parent to know, that she needs to be home at 10 PM on worknights, blah blah blah…

back to work…really, work hard when they are young and you are young so that you will earn the right to ask for part-time hours when they are older and you are older…

By Chips AHoey on 07/23/2009 8:40 am
Colette Draper

Chips - I competely agree with your statement!  With my kids, I stayed home for a short time (longer than the standard 6 weeks, but not a long hiatus) and then went back to work full time.  The kids were in a great daycare all day and played with their little friends.  They didn’t care about not seeing me all day.  They got to have outings and experiences that enriched their young lives.  Since my kids are 7 years apart, they would have been rather lonely with just me to hang around with all day.

For the past few years, my husband has cut back on his hours to be with them more.  He does the doctor’s visits, baseball games and etc.  This past year has been one from hell while dealing with our 18 year old ("I’m an adult now! You can’t tell me what to do!…What’s for dinner?").  I cut back on my work hours to be available for her more often.   By working so hard to juggle home and work for the first years, I am now in a position at my company that allows me to have flexibility and more time off.  I am a trusted and valued worker with seniority.

I have gotten the argument from some (mainly my in-laws who wanted me to be a stay-at-home mom) that if I had spent more time with my oldest when she was younger then she would not have been such a handful later.  I vehemently disagree.  My mother was a stay-at-home mom for all 5 of us and 3 of us were trouble makers.  My youngest brothers came along when my mother was going to school full time and working fulltime…and they are the most "successful"!

No one would ever ask a man "how they do it" with young kids and a career.  And frankly, I get a little offended when people ask me the same.  I have a wonderful spouse who shares all parenting and housework responsibilities.  We both enjoy our careers.  We love our kids.  We love each other.  Most days, our house looks like a tornado hit it.  But who cares?  It’s clean enough to be healthy and dirty enough to be happy.  It’s about setting priorities for home and work.

 

By Colette Draper on 07/23/2009 3:30 pm
Cynthia Ceilan
No one would ever ask a man "how they do it" with young kids and a career. 

Colette, this reminded me of something I heard a female politician say in the late-80s or so (I wish I could remember who it was).  A reporter asked her how in the world she could run for office and be a mother.  Her response was, "I have a brain, and I have ovaries.  And they both work."

 

By Cynthia Ceilan on 07/24/2009 6:35 am
Cynthia Ceilan

I must say, I was very heartened to see the "never wanted a family" bar stretch out to 25%.  I’ve lived in some rather diverse places, where cultural values varied from very traditional to ultra-liberal, but throughout my life I’ve known very few women who, like me, chose not to have children. 

The only difficult thing I ever found about this choice was having to deal with people who thought they’re entitled to pass judgment on those of us who said no to motherhood, as if there’s something terribly wrong or morally corrupt about a woman who chooses not to have kids. 

Having a child — or not — defines some of the things you may or may not do with your life.  You travel more, you travel less, you work hard at home or hard at the office…  It says little or nothing about your character.  Whether your nature is to be kind or cruel, you’ll be that person with or without kids.

 

By Cynthia Ceilan on 07/23/2009 1:45 pm
D L
Well you can count me in. I never want to have children either. I did when I was younger, but I think that was only b/c I thought that’s what you were supposed to do. I think that’s what many people believe in and that’s why they’re so insistent that everyone who’s married or in a committed relationship have children. I know my father feels that way. When I told him my (and my husband’s) decision not to have kids, he actually said to me, well, why did you even get married? The reason for marriage is procreation! Um, no, it is not. From certain literary musings, I do think that the Western concept of marriage was created to provide a safe haven for procreation however, I think times have changed. We have choice ~ choice to marry, choice in partner, choice in children. Why is it so hard for people to believe that one might not want children? If anything, in today’s society, I would think we would be applauded as pioneers in the global population conundrum. Having children is a privilege, a gift… and we have the right to refuse that gift.
By D L on 07/23/2009 3:42 pm