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Mary Wells | 08/13/2009 11:00 pm

Mary Wells: Cash for Clunkers Won't Save the U.S. Economy

Mary Wells
Perhaps a miracle will happen and everyone in the world will turn into angels. I am not counting on it so I think it is important that the United States sharpens its skills with machinery and engines and metal and its overall transportation creativity. We need a leap forward with all that. And we need the jobs. I think Cash for Clunkers is one step but not a leap forward.

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Judy K.
With so many young people either dropping out of school or graduating with minimal abilities, we have to sharpen our people before we can sharpen our skills.
By Judy K. on 08/14/2009 1:07 am
STACY SEARS
I completely agree with the need to sharpen our people!  On the other hand, why should they stay in school and become productive if we are going to provide food, shelter and healthcare for them anyway?  Where’s the incentive?  I’m all for helping folks out when they are in a bind, please don’t misunderstand.  Our drop out rates are higher than they have been in years and it is damn scary.  If we don’t manage to educate our younger citizens, our country is in big trouble no matter what happens with healthcare, cap and trade, immigration, etc.
By STACY SEARS on 08/15/2009 5:16 am
canuck canuck
It is just another bail out for the car companies and I think it lit the fuse to all the protests that are going on right now. Americans have had enough of the ‘free’ give aways.
By canuck canuck on 08/14/2009 1:23 am
deber B

Why this administration didn’t put tht $4500.00 into the hands of qualified Americans the day they took office to go out and stimulate the economy is still way beyond my comprehension.   Instead, they let the jobs go away, due to Americans not spending and here we sit today….a ridiculous bailout for the car industry.   What should also be mentioned are those dealerships who fronted the $4500.00 to buyers and our government behind in reimbursing them.   Some dealerships are out over $2 million dollars….waiting for yet another ill thought out plan from Obama to do what it was actually meant to do.   Although there is now more money appropriated for this plan….the government just can’t seem to get anything done smoothly or correctly…..another three years to go…deeper and deeper in debt….and nothing to show for it.   Combine that with our used car business which has taken a devastating hit as the Cash for Clunkers is for new cars.   You would think these hand picked Harvard guys would use some common sense and look at the whole picture before throwing money at a problem.

Bailing out the car industry never would’ve been necessary if Obama had addressed our small businesses with tax cuts and low interest loans.   He would’ve saved thousands of jobs if he had given the American people money to spend within 60 days to buy household appliances, tires for their cars, clothes,  catch up on mortgage payments…well, you know where I am going with this.  

Instead…..what did he think was more important?   Experience really matters in times like these when you are electing a new president.   We live and learn.   Let’s hope Americans have learned a valuable lesson as we face enormous debt for the next 10 to 15 years brought on by an inexperienced administration.

China got it right.   We didn’t.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you are having trouble understanding why Americans don’t trust this administration on the Healthcare bill this is a very good example of why.    Cash for Clunkers "took off more than they anticipated and they didn’t appropriate enough money."    Remember that excuse.   That will be used again and again with healthcare reform.

By deber B on 08/14/2009 5:06 am
STACY SEARS
You are right on the money, Deber!
By STACY SEARS on 08/15/2009 5:21 am
deber B
Good morning, Stacy!!   Thanks very much.   
By deber B on 08/15/2009 6:15 am
Karen R

"Bailing out" the domestic auto industry never would have been necessary if there hadn’t been eight years of Big Oil in the White House. It told us a lot when Bush prioritized meeting an American Idol winner over meeting chief executives of the auto companies.

By Karen R on 08/14/2009 6:49 am
P Rust

Karen,  with all due respect, please, please check your sources.   We cannot keep blaming Bush for these problems.  "Big Oil" as you put it, is not the cause of the bailout fiasco.  Had these companies been left to break down naturally, go bankrupt, restructure etc., you would see how free-market economics actually works to make an industry more efficient and cleans house of greed and corruption.  And, most of the automakers have been working on fuel efficient, or non-fuel models all along.  Again, these would have been introduced to the public, created competition among companies, kept the prices within reason and removed gas guzzlers from the highways.  Now, we have fewer options, some forced to the market before they are proven.  How many Americans will pay $40,000 plus for the all-electric Chevy Volt.  It is impractical, has not been proven and the cost of replacing the battery is between $5000-$7,000.  Check the data on the problems surfacing with the Toyota Prius.  Again, who wants that?  While doing your reseach, you may find that charitable organizations are suffering greatly as a result of these so-called "clunkers" being taken out of circulation (most of which have mpg’s only one to three points above the cut-off).  Many people would have donated these cars, received a tax write-off and helped someone in need.  Also, the top four sellers in this program are foreign made cars (how does that help the U.S. economy?), it has actually stimulated the sales of mid-size SUV’s, and it has left car lots devoid of good, used, affordable cars.  Many families can not afford a new car (even with an incentive).  Please stop blaming the past administration for what squarely rests on Obama’s shoulders.

By P Rust on 08/14/2009 7:49 am
deber B
Great post, P Rust!!!!   Let us not forget with this Cash for Clunkers has done to our used car lots….putting them totally out of business.    It would be nice if this administration could, at least once, look long term before they throw money, the taxpayer’s money, at ridiculous attempts to stimulate.   They haven’t stimulated anything so far but major debt for our country….long term….10 to 15 years out.
By deber B on 08/14/2009 9:19 am
deber B
And, now, when you go on government websites, such as Cash for Clunkers, and click on the information, the government now owns your computer.   They can track your mouse clicks, your research engines and they know everything about you…..why is this necessary?    What does this say to America and to the rest of the world about this presidency?
By deber B on 08/14/2009 9:21 am
Karen R

THe companies that would have failed under free market economies would have been the financial houses, not the automakers. The screw up greedmeisters at the financial houses got their butts bailed out, leaving them all staring at each other wondering who was strong, who was weak, and who was safe to do business with, thus freezing up the market. Had the weak gone down in flames the strong would have been left standing and business could have proceeded as usual. Instead Bush bought into this stupid American fallacy that the financial sector is all important and drives the economy when in reality all the financials do is move around already created wealth while skimming off the top.

As far as who’s going to buy the Volt - ignoring the fact that a price has yet to be officially announced and that the Volt will benefit from the same incentives the Prius and other hybrids have - there are right now people paying substantially more for vehicles of all kinds. Nice attempt at a slam job using false data - the battery price you throw around was that quoted for the Prius, not the Volt (which has a ten year battery).

God, it’s so good to have Big Oil out of the White House and have in an administration that’s showing spine in pursuing what’s good and right for the nation instead of those who had been looting it at will. While it’s a pain is the butt listening to the whining of the deposed, it’s rather fun watching them squirm.

By Karen R on 08/14/2009 11:31 am
P Rust

OK, foregoing the name calling; again, check your sources.  The advertisements for the Volt state outright "prices starting at $40,000".  Sounds like it has been officially announced.  I doubt the price will go down.   And, you are right.  The quoted cost to replace batteries is for the Prius (and … that’s OK?).  The cost for the Volt would probably be more considering it is a bigger battery with more intricacies.  Ten years on the battery?  Doubtful —they said that about the Toyota and Honda hybrids too.   Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see non-fuel autos on the market.  I just want to be told the truth about what it can do, how I need to take care of it and most importantly, will it get me to where I need to go safely—hmmmm. 

 I’m not going to argue with you, you seem to have alot of anger toward big business, big money etc.  OK, you’re entitled.  Yes, there are "some" greedy, corrupt bankers, insurance companies, automakers, manufacturers etc..  Yes, they should be held accountable for any pain they cause.  Yes, "some" industries can benefit from reform.  But, it’s not all George Bush’s fault and not all bankers are corrupt.  Our country thrives when businesses are empowered to grow and hire people.  History has shown that.  Businesses need banks to grow and hire.  There seem to be a few people out of work and the government is getting bigger.  Any correlation?   Thanks for the thought provoking dialogue.  I wish you well.

By P Rust on 08/14/2009 1:26 pm
Karen R

There have been no official advertisments for the Volt yet. GM has not officially set the price point yet as the vehicle is not scheduled to hit the full scale assembly line until next year. Auto manufacturers do not release retail pricing until shortly before a car is officially released.

You can read the transcript of a webchat with GM’s VP for Global Project Management, hosted less than a month ago, about the Volt (including pricing) here: http://green.autoblog.com/2009/07/22/webchat-about-the-volt-with-gm-vp-jon-lauckner-this-wednesday/

By Karen R on 08/14/2009 1:47 pm
Karen R
No official Volt ads giving pricing, that is.
By Karen R on 08/14/2009 2:01 pm
STACY SEARS
Well stated, P Rsut!!  I considered a hydrid until I figured out how much it would cost to replace a battery and that the batteries last about 4 or 5 years.  I can’t imagine what the heat in TX would do to its lifespan!  When I was looking for a different car to drive, since someone ran a read light and turn left in front of my 35th anniv Z28, the Toyota dealer actually had tacked on an extra $5,000 to the price tag, just because they were selling well at the time.  No, way was I going to pay over $40,000 for a car I was gonna have to put another 5G into in a few years.  Got a used BMW 325i instead for 13G….amazingly, since most of my driving is on the freeway, the supposedly more economical care gets the same gas mileage as I got in my sports car….I’m still in mourning.
By STACY SEARS on 08/15/2009 5:29 am