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Liz Smith | 09/30/2009 12:00 am

Pre-Feminist Liz Smith: A 'First-Rate No. 2 Helper to Famous Men'

Liz Smith
I guess I was part of the problem, born in a time when women got ahead by "going along" with their male bosses. I did that and I did get ahead. But being a first-rate No. 2  helper to famous men grew tiresome. Finally, I got the message and became a feminist.
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Baby  Snooks
Some women don’t mind for some reason.  Someone I know who considers herself a "feminist" has been "the secretary" for a man for over 30 years now and makes more than any other employee, male or female, in this small firm and yet is still just "the secretary" which sort of mystifies me.  She probably could leave and form her own firm since she literally runs this one at this point, and probably take some of the employees with her, but for some reason seems quite content.  Her salary is in the upper 6 figures so I wonder if that blinds her to the fact that she is still just "a" secretary? 
By Baby Snooks on 09/30/2009 6:54 am
Carole Del Monte
I was like your friend.  Also in my case I didn’t want a job that would hinder me from being on call for our kids if they needed me (accident or illness at school, etc.).  My husband worked out of town, so I was "it".  I’m 72 years old, so feminism didn’t inspire me as much, & like your friend, my salary, the perks & the respect I gained at work increased over the years.
By Carole Del Monte on 09/30/2009 7:13 am
Amy Stewart Hale

I’ve always believed in equality. …sometimes in a world controlled by corrupt men, it’s hard to do. I believe in truth, and karma, and a God based in love…and know the value of relevance and provanence to my work by controlling my work just like my Mentor who called me his peer taught me to be.

I miss Ray. I hope he and Edie are exploring the universe that he painted for us to see.

Enjoy your day…and know your truths.

Amy, PennDragon Studios

simpletownUSA.com

By Amy Stewart Hale on 09/30/2009 7:34 am
Cindy Marek
Lots of (most?) men apparently can’t get past the flawed notion that if it has a bosom and walks upright it’s Mommy or Wife and owes them something. Unfortunately lots of women even today reinforce this; I live in a "macho area" wherein half the population is of a different ethnicity than I. Many mothers here go on and on with the spoiling and King treatment of their sons…who of course grow up thinking all females owe them something (repugnant spoiled jerks). These women need to wise up and stop perpetuating the cycle.
By Cindy Marek on 09/30/2009 8:13 am
Sharon McBride
My profession was teaching and my tenure was at a time when women were just beginning to be given postions in Administration. Although I never had a problem getting a position because I taught French & Spanish, there were a few times when I was asked how many children I had and if I planned on having any more in the next 5 years. Whenever I reported these intrusive questions to my Federation, I was told that while the questions were considered "inappropriate" that they were not prepared to challenge the ethics of those who had asked them, nor were the guilty male Principals interviewing me given a warning. When it came to Maternity Leave, it was the men who suffered the prejudice. Very few Boards allowed a Father to take Maternity Leave to look after a baby while his wife returned to teach. If it was granted at all, it was always granted to the woman. Those who chose to adopt had difficulty getting any leave at all. This was over 40 years ago and I realize that some areas have made major changes. There was also a huge"to-do" about what to do with homosexual teachers who chose to reveal their choices after they had permanent tenure. Some Boards refused to allow them to teach children over the age of 10 and offered them lower grades even if they were very competent. One lady I knew was an excellent classroom teacher and a skilled staff Workshop leader, yet she was passed over her entire career for every Principal or Vice Principal position advertised in our Board. She was frequently called to Supply for an absent Administrator but paid only regular teacher’s salary. It was appalling treatment but none of us could effect change no matter how much we complained. Hopefully those in the classroom are not encountering such prejudicial treatment in the 21st century.
By Sharon McBride on 10/01/2009 8:50 pm