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Question of the Day | 09/26/2009 5:30 am

What is your first memory – if any – of the presence of class difference in our society?

Join Jane Wagner, Lily Tomlin, Joan Ganz Cooney, Liz Smith and Judith Martin in sharing the moment you first realized the existence of socioeconomic differences in society.
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Jane Wagner

Jane Wagner | 09/24/2009 2:30 am

Jane Wagner: A Family Divided

I first noticed and felt class difference within my own family. My mother’s mother (we called her "Mama Dear") was from South Carolina and was extremely Southern and somewhat aristocratic. I loved her deeply. She died when I was six. I was so distraught over losing her, they didn’t let me go to her funeral. But she and the rest of my mother’s family showed disdain toward my father, who had to drop out of school at 13 so he could help support his ailing German immigrant parents by working at a job printing shop.

My mother was only 16 years old when she eloped with him to Gatlinburg, TN, to get married. This certainly didn’t enamor him to mother’s family, but their treatment of him had more to do with his lack of education and his German, peasant background and the fact that he had no money, not that they did either – they just acted like they did.

My daddy became a linotype printer, and one time in my teens I visited him in the composing room of the Knoxville Journal. I saw him working at the huge, organ-like linotype machine. He knew so much about all those machines. He knew how to typeset. The machine emitted intermittent blasts of heat as it processed the slabs of white-hot lead, so he was working with his shirt off. Then he showed me how he could read type backward. I was proud of him and so impressed, and I recall thinking, "He should be better paid for this."

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 09/20/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney Looks Back at Age 5: 'Civil Rights Was to Become the Great Cause of My Life'

When I was five, I entered first grade in a public school, having never been to any school of any kind before. There was one clearly poor girl in the class. She was the first child I’d ever seen who was not middle class, and in my child’s mind it was as if she were from another planet. I’m ashamed to say I didn’t like her and did everything I could to avoid her.  

It’s interesting to note that in the segregated state I grew up in (Arizona), I knew and was in awe of several black children whose mothers were off and on our housekeepers. While the families were working class, the children were so beautifully groomed that I was in awe of them and I envied them their mothers’ uninhibited love and the pride their mothers openly showed in their children. Civil rights was to become the great cause of my life and I trace it back to affection I had for those mothers and their families.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Liz Smith on Mile-Wide Class Differences

Heck, I grew up in the South just before the Great Depression. I was still very young when I saw there that class differences were miles wide between paternalistic whites and the black people we depended on to work for us and make us comfortable.
I’d say about age five, I got it! I wrote all about this in the first pages of my memoir, Natural Blonde.
Judith Martin

Judith Martin | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Judith Martin on Class and Bullies

When I was in kindergarten at Janney Elementary School and saw those big tough girls in the sixth grade roaming around the playground at recess looking for small victims.

Lily Tomlin

Lily Tomlin | 09/29/2009 2:15 am

Lily Tomlin Gets a Lesson in Class

From about the age of seven, I was class conscious. I lived in a racially diverse and financially diverse neighborhood and I knew who was favored and who wasn’t and who had "nicer" material circumstances and who didn’t. It was the practice at our grade school in those days to stand and tell the class what you’d received for Christmas that year and it was gruesome because it was clear when a kid was lying or exaggerating out of shame, and I can remember being one of them. You might say you’d gotten a sweater and boots and a new coat and all kinds of things that you never showed up in. I can’t imagine what teacher would support such a practice today unless it was used anonymously to raise political and social consciousness and make it an illuminating exercise.

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Cindy Marek
It’d be either a schoolmate whose family was rather poor (and "odd") by comparison, or it’d be the doctor’s home 1-1/2 blocks from ours. I temporarily befriended his daughter, and was shocked to see they bought candybars by *the box*. I grew up in a white working-class area; not a lot of differences. My current place of residence is made up (primarily) of two races, very wealthy and very poor, highly educated and downright ignorant. The church I attend is mostly white-collar professionals; my mother-in-law is illiterate with a 3rd-grade education. It’s been a real eye-opener.
By Cindy Marek on 09/24/2009 6:18 am
Leah Sanford
While I agree America is the best country in the world I also see the world through the eyes of a 10 year old who received a Star of David from my mother on her birthday.  I was so excited about the beautiful gift I thought I would burst, and could not wait to share this with my best friend the next day on the ride to school.  I woke up early and was outside when my friend and her uncle arrived.  I jumped in the car and before they could even say hi I showed them my pendant.  My friend gushed over it and her Uncle said it was "nice".  The next day my ride did not arrive even though they had picked me up and driven me to school all year and this was the end pf April.  My father finally figured out they were not coming and drove me to school.  At lunch time I saw my friend in the lunch line and asked her for "cuts" as we always did, and she informed me she would not be able to talk to me or give me a ride any longer as her Uncle told her I was a Jew "Christ Killer", and she never spoke to me again.  I was crushed, and my mother tried to explain it all to me but at 10 this changed my outlook on people forever.   My parents raised us to accept all people, and they did this by example, so why was I being judged?  I have had to accept this type of thinking as a fact of life in America, but I will not ever embrace it.
By Leah Sanford on 09/27/2009 2:37 pm
Effie Velardo
My experience was similar. At age 7 after a divorce I was sent to a private school. Every one else who went there were doctors, dentists, undertakers children very privaleged. I was poor a "step aunt" sent me there for the religion. I never had a new dress until I was 15 and bought it myself. While I do believe America gives the best chance to succeed you do not have equal chance at it. I could not afford to go to college so could never move to a better class. I have worked hard my whole life and raised seven children but now at 70 I live on a very small social security and survive but just barely.
By Effie Velardo on 09/25/2009 2:27 pm
alexa conway

5th grade, 1961, jacksonville, fla (where, btw, was a naval air station). my family was visiting family and went to their business. on a wall were 2 water fountains. my mom had to show me which to use. I just thought there was colored water in one and that sounded pretty good to me.

alexa conway

By alexa conway on 09/25/2009 10:15 pm
Deb Rubino
When I was 18, I wanted to enter an upscale department store where my boyfriend worked. I went to walk to my left and open the door, and a woman cut between me and the door. I recognized her, an extremely famous woman. The next day, a newspaper printed a column entitled, "Poor People Don’t Know How to Walk." How mortifying to find out that it was obvious to the world that I was poor!
By Deb Rubino on 09/24/2009 6:25 am
Lila Kuh
Well, obviously wealth and fame do not confer common courtesy or good manners.  Otherwise Madame would not have cut in front of someone who was obviously headed for the door.  Perhaps the article could have been subtitled: "And Rich People Have No Class."
By Lila Kuh on 09/24/2009 11:15 am
Lee Harrison

I was raised in the DC area, but my mother’s entire family lived in NY.  Back then, our driving route between the two cities took us through an impoverished section of Baltimore.  I remember being fascinated with all the people gathered on the marble steps of the row houses (read tenements). Around the same time, I noticed down-at-heel types on the subway. 

Growing up, we had wonderful, fun-loving maids.  They were women of great dignity and presence, so in my child-brain, it never occurred to me they were "poor."  I never actually knew any people of limited means until I went to college.

By Lee Harrison on 09/24/2009 6:37 am
deber B

I was born into a military family.   We lived in a city in Virginia that was populated with mostly military families.   The neighborhood I grew up in for 15 years of my life had only military families.   There was no class difference.   All of our fathers went out on deployment at different times and we were well aware of our equal status in our community.  Looking back, it was a wonderful upbringing.

I did notice class difference when I went to college.   None of my roommates had fathers in the military.   I had to get a part-time job off campus to earn spending money and they didn’t.   So, it became apparent to me my freshman year in college that there was another world out there!  I loved clothes and admired their wardrobes!   So, I began babysitting on weekends to enhance my meager wardrobe! 

I didn’t grow up in a poor family.  When it was time for me to get my own car (at age 15) my father sat me down and talked finances with me for the first time…a serious talk.   I was working after school and weekends at a hospital emergency room as a clerk so he looked at my expenses and said, "Sis, I think you can afford a $30.00 a month payment on your car and your insurance."   I simply said, "Okay."   The next day he brought home an 8 year old 1956 Chevrolet, Carolina blue, and he said, "Hope you like it, Sis.   Now write me a check for the first payment and the next one is due 30 days from now."  

I was raised in a personal responsibility family.   I had everything I wanted and needed, however, I had to participate in the cost.   Good life lessons from my wonderful father. 

By deber B on 09/24/2009 6:45 am
B Clark
I’m not sure when I was aware of it, but we’ve always had a pretty diverse mix of people in my own family.  My Mom worked hard, got an education and did everything she could to make sure we grew up to be people who could take care of ourselves.  My Uncle (the official black sheep of the family and proud of it) joined a motorcycle gang, bounced in and out of jail for years, ended up having 7 kids (didn’t marry Aunty till the 3rd child came along and was finally a boy), and that whole side of the family has had alcoholic/substance abuse issues and a difficult time just graduating high school before becoming (or causing a) pregnancy.  I guess my sister noticed it earlier than I did in high school.  She wanted to fit in with the Eagle Heights kids and suddenly jeans from Kmart weren’t good enough for her any more.  Society stratified in high school along the lines of Motor-heads (those destined for trade school, often dropped out, often drunk and smoked everything), Preppy crowd (rich, dressed well, were mostly collage bound, social climbers, sometimes snobs), Jocks (not always rich but usually a sub set of the Preppy’s), Academics/Nerds (very bright, not always rich, definitely collage bound, scholarships coming out of their ears, often socially awkward) and then everyone else who didn’t fit into a particular crowd.
By B Clark on 09/24/2009 6:54 am
Carl Reichart
My father was a coal miner in the waning days of the industry in Northeastern Pennsylvania.  Greed and stupidity and robbing the coal pillars that supported the Susquehanna river caused a massive cave in and flooding that ended deep mining of anthracite.  There wasn’t any other industry in the area - and there still isn’t much more 50 years later - to absorb all those men.  I was in first grade, probably wearing clothes handed down from my older brother.  A girl’s mother came into the classroom and I noticed immediately how the teacher’s tone and manner changed when addressing this woman.  She was wearing some kind of fur and she seemed to fill up the room.  She stood by my desk and I remember slyly reaching out with my index finger, just to touch her fur coat.  I knew there would be hell to pay after she left if the teacher saw me doing it. 
By Carl Reichart on 09/24/2009 7:56 am
Kay White
I totally understand where you are coming from Carl. I was literally born a coal miner’s daughter :) from West Virginia and times were always hard. There were 12 children and we always wore hand me downs. No running water and an out house for the bathroom. No matter how hard my life was growing up, there is still so much of it that I would not have traded for the world because it made me who I am today. From the coal mines to the corporate world, go figure.
By Kay White on 09/24/2009 1:04 pm
macwoof woof
kay, wow. would love to hear more.
By macwoof woof on 09/24/2009 11:41 pm
Laura Gallardo

Our family today is a multi-cultural, diverse set with as many mixes as possible in these "United States." However, when growing up in the post Korean conflict era and tumultuous civil rights movement era of the 60’s, I noticed class differences quite early.  The first experience I recall was when we moved from the progressive San Francisco Bay Area of Alameda County to a small rural community in Contra Costa County. I remember witnessing a conversation between a neighborhood bigot and my feisty, politically astute dear Mama…The woman clearly declared to my Mom, " Honey, I am representing your neighbors…I am supposed to tell you you are never, under any circumstances, to tell people you all are Mexicans…You know we don’t allow their kind(ya know greezie, low life, shiftless, dirty, too many kids, no speaky dee Eeengleesh types) in this neighborhood…Certainly, not light skinned, pretty people like you all! If you are pressed, sugar, jus’ tell ‘em you all are Spanish…Mind you, I’ll vouch for you…But, best you keep you alls background where it belongs…in the background!"

I remember my Mom standing up to these uneducated bully-bigot, showing her the door quickly, and retorting, " Mame, I real don’t know how you think you can come to our home which we purchased, by the way, and did not rent and try to dictate to my family. We are fiercely proud of our cultural heritage and polite upbringing, as full citizens of the United States with Mexican roots. My brothers and husband have served in the U.S. Armed Forces and we are as patriotic as you and they(other neighbors) are or preport to be.  Do not attempt to "darken my door step" again with your rascist, bigoted and presumptuous ideas. You are not welcome here. Good-bye!"

I thank my dear Mother for being the brave and strong woman she was…She developed into a community leader and political activist shortly after this era, seeking politcal, social, and economic justice for all Americans, regardless of race, color or creed or socio-economic background.  Our home was a haven for anyone that needed help, temporary housing or a job lead…She was that kind of woman with a trendous sense of brotherhood and community activism!

By Laura Gallardo on 09/24/2009 8:02 am
macwoof woof
Laura, i would have liked to meet your mom.
By macwoof woof on 09/24/2009 11:43 pm
Yvonne Brown

Laura, your Mom is a woman of substance and strength.  I remember when my husband and I purchased a  home in a western suburb of Chicago and we received a letter from a bigot in the neighborhood who wanted us to leave.  I am not sure if it was because we were a mixed race couple or because I am Jamaican American. 

I immediately got the FBI involved and they came to the neighborhood and knocked on every door to find the perpetrator.  We never learned who sent the letter, but that was the end of it.  We continued to live there and my family and I made many friends in the neighborhood.  It takes all kinds and bigots/bullies are ubiquitous.  Standing up to them like your Mom did is the best recourse.

By Yvonne Brown on 09/27/2009 1:58 pm