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Question of the Day | 09/26/2009 5:30 am

What is your first memory – if any – of the presence of class difference in our society?

Join Jane Wagner, Lily Tomlin, Joan Ganz Cooney, Liz Smith and Judith Martin in sharing the moment you first realized the existence of socioeconomic differences in society.
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Jane Wagner

Jane Wagner | 09/24/2009 2:30 am

Jane Wagner: A Family Divided

I first noticed and felt class difference within my own family. My mother’s mother (we called her "Mama Dear") was from South Carolina and was extremely Southern and somewhat aristocratic. I loved her deeply. She died when I was six. I was so distraught over losing her, they didn’t let me go to her funeral. But she and the rest of my mother’s family showed disdain toward my father, who had to drop out of school at 13 so he could help support his ailing German immigrant parents by working at a job printing shop.

My mother was only 16 years old when she eloped with him to Gatlinburg, TN, to get married. This certainly didn’t enamor him to mother’s family, but their treatment of him had more to do with his lack of education and his German, peasant background and the fact that he had no money, not that they did either – they just acted like they did.

My daddy became a linotype printer, and one time in my teens I visited him in the composing room of the Knoxville Journal. I saw him working at the huge, organ-like linotype machine. He knew so much about all those machines. He knew how to typeset. The machine emitted intermittent blasts of heat as it processed the slabs of white-hot lead, so he was working with his shirt off. Then he showed me how he could read type backward. I was proud of him and so impressed, and I recall thinking, "He should be better paid for this."

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 09/20/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney Looks Back at Age 5: 'Civil Rights Was to Become the Great Cause of My Life'

When I was five, I entered first grade in a public school, having never been to any school of any kind before. There was one clearly poor girl in the class. She was the first child I’d ever seen who was not middle class, and in my child’s mind it was as if she were from another planet. I’m ashamed to say I didn’t like her and did everything I could to avoid her.  

It’s interesting to note that in the segregated state I grew up in (Arizona), I knew and was in awe of several black children whose mothers were off and on our housekeepers. While the families were working class, the children were so beautifully groomed that I was in awe of them and I envied them their mothers’ uninhibited love and the pride their mothers openly showed in their children. Civil rights was to become the great cause of my life and I trace it back to affection I had for those mothers and their families.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Liz Smith on Mile-Wide Class Differences

Heck, I grew up in the South just before the Great Depression. I was still very young when I saw there that class differences were miles wide between paternalistic whites and the black people we depended on to work for us and make us comfortable.
I’d say about age five, I got it! I wrote all about this in the first pages of my memoir, Natural Blonde.
Judith Martin

Judith Martin | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Judith Martin on Class and Bullies

When I was in kindergarten at Janney Elementary School and saw those big tough girls in the sixth grade roaming around the playground at recess looking for small victims.

Lily Tomlin

Lily Tomlin | 09/29/2009 2:15 am

Lily Tomlin Gets a Lesson in Class

From about the age of seven, I was class conscious. I lived in a racially diverse and financially diverse neighborhood and I knew who was favored and who wasn’t and who had "nicer" material circumstances and who didn’t. It was the practice at our grade school in those days to stand and tell the class what you’d received for Christmas that year and it was gruesome because it was clear when a kid was lying or exaggerating out of shame, and I can remember being one of them. You might say you’d gotten a sweater and boots and a new coat and all kinds of things that you never showed up in. I can’t imagine what teacher would support such a practice today unless it was used anonymously to raise political and social consciousness and make it an illuminating exercise.

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Tina Littlepage
Back in 1977, when I was in first grade, I dressed in the hand-me-downs that I received, in the clothes my Mom sewed or mended for me, in the clothes that we could get at yard sales.  My clothes were never new but they were always clean.   When school began all was well, children, at that age, haven’t completely taken on the podium of their parents’ prejudice(s) yet.  Playing with a child who didn’t wear a fancy bow in her hair, or have new shoes, or wear second hand clothes, was not a problem for a child.  So I was able to make a very good friend quickly and we played together everyday.  Then on one particular morning when I ran to meet her as her mother dropped her off at the school, my friend walked up to me with a smile but her mother leaned down in the car and yelled through the window her name and said "No, now you know what I said! Go away."  My dear first grade friend looked at me, her smile dropped from her face and she walked by me and she would never talk to me or play with me again.  My feelings were hurt at first, but as a "resilient" youth my hurt feelings were put into action making new friends.  At the age of seven, I hadn’t understood that day what I witnessed, but today as an adult and knowing the family of that girl, I know exactly what happened that day.  Prejudice has such an ugly ‘face’!  And the sad part is that parents teach it to their children and it is the children that should be teaching the parents.
By Tina Littlepage on 09/24/2009 8:21 am
Nikki Thomas

When I walked into a Ralph Lauren store in Lenox Mall just to look around, and found out that two cops were following me when I went to American Eagle in the same mall. When I turned around and looked at them because I felt someone staring at me, they tried pretend like they were shopping in the store and then they left. I think this happened to me because I’m black.

-Nikki-

By Nikki Thomas on 09/24/2009 9:20 am
Susan Crawford

For a number of years, back in the ‘50’s, my Dad was a union organizer for the IUMM&SW - the International Union of Mine, Mill, and Smelter Workers. From time to time, he would visit coal mining and copper mining areas to talk to the workers and help them get organized. It was, to say the least, a tough - and often dangerous - job.

But once, when I was about nine years old, he took me with him on a short trip down to the coal mining area of Kentucky. I remember driving down through fields of rich, blue-green grasses where horses grazed peacefully. In the distance were immaculately painted white rail fences, big houses with columns - "Just like Tara!" I remember exclaiming. Gradually, the landscape turned to rolling hills, which were lovely, but there were no more horses, no more big houses. Finally, we reached the mine site, and I saw scarred, furrowed land, a few sparse trees left after most had been cleared. Industrial buildings, huge machines, graders and tractors littered the area. As we drove toward that area, we also saw a group of small, wooden tract houses, mostly unpainted, with swept-dirt front yards (the first of their kind I had ever seen, and I remember wondering where the grass was.)

Well, Dad had a mission, and off we went so he could fulfill it. I sat in the back of a shabby room in one of those little houses while he talked to a group of men who all seemed to me to be VERY old. Now, looking back, I realize most of them were probably in their late twenties up to their forties. Later, Dad asked me if I wanted to see something special, something hardly anyone else my age had ever seen, and - of course! - I agreed.

Fitting me with a hard hat was a source of hilarity for the miners, who thought a little blonde gal in pigtails with blue satin ribbons wearing a big old orange hard hat with a light was just the most knee-slapping sight ever. And we stepped onto a platform, into a steel-mesh cage and descended into the first level of a coal mine. As we went down, the temperature rose. It was darker than the darkest night I had ever seen. Someone switched on the light on my helmet.

When we reached the first level, we got out and walked a bit, not far, because my being there broke every rule in the book, of course. We saw some men coming up from a deeper level as their shift ended. Their faces, hands and any bit of exposed skin was black. Their clothing was begrimed with the oily, clinging soot. Most of them were hacking and coughing and spitting to clear their throats and lungs. One of them, startled to see a little gal, burst out laughing, and I was surprised to see he had only one or two teeth in his mouth.

And then we came back up into the light, and I saw a bunch of women and kids waiting at the outskirts - the women also seemed very, very old to me, and almost every one of the kids was skinny and dressed in clothing that was either way too big or way too small.

On the drive back home, as we once again rolled through those lush blue-grass fields, I held on to the little paper sack of lumps of coal one of the miners gave me as a "souvenir" - I still have a piece of it. It’s a damned good reminder of class difference.

By Susan Crawford on 09/24/2009 9:22 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe

Wonderfully told, Susan. Your contrast of verdant hills and valleys with the black of the coal mine and in the midst a blond haired little girl with an orange hard hat discovering something about life.

I think my first class awareness came during my first train ride from Sheboygan, my home town, to Milwaukee and seeing, on the outskirts of the city, run-down shacks and blacks amidst the squalor. It’s an image that has remained with me all these years. There was no diversity in Sheboygan at that time  and wouldn’t be for decades. Both my parents were prejudiced in subtle ways re: class and race, yet somehow I became a passionate fighter for civil rights, for equal rights, and worked for many years with children damaged by abuse, not only by their parents, but by society itself. It’s one of the reasons I’m a democrat, who comes from a long line of old Republican blue bloods––not to be confused with those dogs that are blue.

By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/24/2009 10:02 am
Yvonne Brown
Susan - that was an excellent example and a profoundly lucid response to the question.  Your writing was so vivid I relived the experience with you. Thanks for sharing it.
By Yvonne Brown on 09/27/2009 6:08 pm
Laurie Deer

Around the age of six or seven, I noticed they way people treated my mom and her children.  It was not related to color but with the stigma of large families.  Nine is our number.  

Very early on I remember my keen sense of reading people.  I noted it in their facial expressions, body gestures.  I could tell when people were sincere or not.  When they pretended to be nice but really weren’t.  It’s funny, you know a class division exists but at that young age sum it up to real or fake.  Since then I mastered skill of reading people, sometimes to well.

 

By Laurie Deer on 09/24/2009 9:29 am
Kay White
It probably made you a more authentic person and this is always good. I came from a family of 12 and as soon as I mention this I too can the difference in expressions.
By Kay White on 09/24/2009 1:20 pm
Maggie W

I grew up on a farm.  We all worked.  When I was four, it was my job every night to sweep the floor and the front porch.  As we kids got older, we all had jobs with more responsibility.  As soon as our feet could touch the brake/gas pedals, it was our jobs to take the truck out to the pastures and drop off hay.  Weeds/rodents  in the gardens were our problems.  Dad took care of the heavy duty chores.  There were never vacations.  Once a month, we’d go into town for a movie and ice cream.

During certain seasons, migrant workers also worked on our farm, along with their children.   So, we all worked side by side… and I thought nothing of it.  I was happy to have the company of other children other than my brothers.  They taught me their games and their music.  We shared the same hopes and dreams. I was always sad when they left.

Like many Sourthern towns at that time, railroad tracks divided that little town.  The schools I attended were anglo with anglo teachers.  Our athletic teams competed against other anglo schools in neighboring counties. It was when I went to school, I realized for the first time, if you were a brown or black student, you went to the school on north side of the tracks.  It made no sense to me, and no one cared to discuss it.  It wasn’t until the race riots of the 60’s that it became perfectly clear how they felt about their schools on the north side of the tracks, with the used and outdated books and equipment that had been discarded by the south side schools.

By Maggie W on 09/24/2009 9:54 am
kermie b

I grew up in a family that had too many children and not enough resources. I never felt poor, because my parents made sure our clothes were clean, our shoes were polished, and we were clean and well-groomed. I knew kids who bragged about having maids and swimming pools, until in grade school, I gently commented to one girl, "But your parents earned that, not you, right?" Many of those same kids grew up not knowing how to clean their homes or wash a dish, while the kids in my family always had chores, and took pride in our sparkling, small, apartment. Those "rich" kids all grew up differently, some in trouble with the law, some lawyers, but those I chose to remain friends with treated me with respect. Poor does not equal poverty of mind.

All of my siblings have grown past our quite humble beginnings. We learned to pick our friends, like anyone else, from how they treated us as humans. In my point of view, there are not class differences—just differences in Class.

By kermie b on 09/24/2009 9:58 am
Belinda Joy

(My apologies to my childhood friend that also blogs on this site for what I am going to say)

I grew up in a middle class, racially diverse neighbor. Half my neighbors were German and the other half Black. Tree lined, everyone owned their own home - renters were a rare thing back then - and although I perceived my family as poor, my father, friends and neighbors always corrected me. I assumed we were poor because my father was raising all 11 of us by himself, he owned his own business and was the pastor of a church. People were constantly coming by our house giving us food and clothing and saying they wanted to help "the pastor and his kids out" so I assumed we were poor.

That is until a family of 6 moved on our block that was poor. They were living in a two bedroom house and they had roaches. The mother worked as a cleaning woman and the father for a local factory. But they were poor. I became best friends with one of the girls and I remember to this day the stigma the rest of my neighbors and friends inflicted on her and her family. They became "those people". 

The worst part was when an even poorer family moved on the black that were labeled "country" people. They actually killed squirrels in the neighborhood for food. The kids were always filthy and dirty and soon after the same attitudes and beliefs inflicted on my best friend, were now being levied against this new family. Ironically even my best friend and her family looked down on this "country" family.

That was my wake up call into the world of discrimination based on income, education, appearance and social class.

By Belinda Joy on 09/24/2009 10:07 am
C Hardy

Belinda - its it sad that the story you shared above still happens today? 

By C Hardy on 09/24/2009 10:31 am
C Hardy

I really dont recall the very first time I felt the difference of class in society - I always went to public schools and early on you always knew who were the "popular" kids and who wasnt.  You always knew who the rich kids were and who wasnt but I dont remember ever not being able to play with any of those kids during school.  Outside of school we lived in an apartment community & there were tons of kids and we all played very well together for years and years and years. 

The sad thing is that today I still see the division and the worst part is I see it in Church and around the small town I live in.  You have the old rich Rivah Communities and they dont like their outsiders.  Which is funny to me b/c my families money would make theirs look small in comparision but I dont live off of my family’s name.  I also find it amuzing that when in public alone or with my daughter some people wont talk to me unless my husband is there…And we wonder why racism is still alive and its not always whites against blacks….

By C Hardy on 09/24/2009 10:28 am
John G
I was 9 or 10, we were living in Anaheim, CA. My best friend’s parents had an in-ground pool installed. We could never have done that. The good news was that I was asked over all the time to swim in the pool (though my friend’s father was careful to always warn us that he had a chemical in the pool that would turn purple if we urinated ☺). The bad news (for a 10-year old) was that I was never invited again after my parents supported the first black family trying to move into our neighborhood… a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
By John G on 09/24/2009 10:46 am
SURA B

For me, this question is simplistic, because class has never been isolated from other distinctions, such as religion, race, community, culture. As the firstborn American of recent immigrants, in the 1920s, all my early memories revolved on who we were and how we survived.  For example, my first years were spent in an all-immigrant community where my parents spoke their primary language, as well as their public languages. Within our group, there was a majority of factory workers, some owners of small businesses, as well as employees. My father lost his job at the beginning of the Depression, and we lived on savings until he bought a store in a more assimilated neighborhood where I learned that my "foreignness" was a great issue, and where those of my own background treated me as an alien. Because of the diversity in that tenement community, I lived among working/unemployed/poor/Black/white/Jewish/Christian(mostly Catholic & Eastern Orthodox) families, and I realized that it was necessary for me to learn English to cope with an unfriendly, and sometimes hostile environment in public school, as well as among my neighbors. Residents carried within themselves  distinctions in education (in the old country),class (in the old country, as well as in the U.S.), and who owned or worked in local stores, and those who entered the garment factory system to supportfamilies. Earning a living was paramount. My parents’ education in the old country did not prepare them to be storekeepers, and in the 2nd community, where we lived for many years, my parents did not mix socially with neighbors, for they were our customers.

Unlike the present generation, we were not exposed to television and daily reminders of wealthy people, but we were conscious of our relationships to employers, those who were native speakers of English, those who had accumulated money to enlarge their businesses, and those who had employees. And, eventually the more prosperous families moved to “better” communities, and purchased single or two-family houses. As for us, “we never made it to Flatbush!” We never owned a home or a car.

I consider myself very lucky that I always knew who I was, and was never overcome by envy or anger about who I was not. Because I was an only child, my parents provided security  and material goods, as my friends with many siblings would claim, and what we had were shelter, food,clothing (which my mother and I sewed) and savings, because my parents were pragmatic, and always worried about the inevitable emergencies. I learned arithmetic on my father’s manual cash register, and I was always conscious of money worries and responsibilities, because my mother and father worked together in our store and supported my paternal grandparents when their store failed.

Unlike my peers, I received an allowance, and was responsible for making decisions about spending it. I bought books, material to sew clothes, magazines, but I knew my limits, and if I wanted to order something by mail, my father charged me ten cents for the check.

School made an American of me, and my teachers, some from my own background, who were hostile to my  religious observances (taking  days off from school for holidays) taught me to behave, speak, and express myself in a more suitable manner, such as  always being conscious of the milieu, not using gestures while speaking (the American model). And, when I went to work after graduatingfrom high school, my Jewish last name was an excuse for employers not to hire me, and it was not a covert action on their part.

A long time ago, a friend from India said that being poor in his country was very different, for the poor only knew the poor. However, we, the immigrants, and the children of immigrants,  always have a double-consciousnessof our "position," an awareness that the predominant culture does not possess. And, we do not think of ourselves as "the advocates of the unfortunate," because  we were among those who had to help ourselves. It was a daily lesson and goal.

My childhood prepared me to cope with class, social, religious, and racial diversity from the moment I was born; my later immersion in art, music, theatre, dance, literature andhistory prepared me to live in the world, not in that narrow American view of emulating or envying the white moneyed upper class, and patronizing the poor;  worldwide travels as an adult expanded my view that every society has its distinctions and values, based on inequities, discrimination, and political power.

And, when I married a man from a British colony, who had grown up in a tropical village without electricity or running water, and I lived with his family as a young mother, I knew that I could survive anywhere.  There was no hierarchy in my worldview. And, to this day, I do not associate only with those who share my racial, religious, economic, or educational background.

As for the differences in class, again I feel fortunate, because it did not shape my inner world when I was very young. And, because my husband & I began teaching in public schools in our late 30s, and were part of a diverse group, my children and I do not consider racial, religious, ethnic, or class differences as obstacles to overcome; they are the essence of who we are and were. Before teaching, I held many jobs to support myself, and to acquire 3 academic degrees, like other "minorities" in this vast country. I have never relied on race, family history, inheritance, or status to reach my goals.

However, it was much harder for my daughter who had to work while attending 2 Ivy League universities where her classmates "lived on their dividends." My son,  a musician,  performed all over the world, and also has that “double consciousness,” so within my family, we have all the strains and issues of class, opportunity, ethnic diversity, and more. 

Present times now reveal how misguided were those who wanted to rise in class by borrowing excessive money to build “estates”  to emulate “the Ralph Lauren landed gentry,” and I feel great pity for them, because they believed in the illusion of entitlement; however, I do not identify with them, and my children do not identify with them, because it was all a myth. The hierarchy of class which Americans used to minimize has blown up in their faces. And now we all experience financial dangers because of that delusion.

 

 

By SURA B on 09/24/2009 10:55 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
SURA: Yours is such an American story and I thank you for posting it. I have such admiration for grit and resiliency in overcoming adversities, and you and your family are such fine examples of that.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 09/24/2009 5:35 pm