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Question of the Day | 09/26/2009 5:30 am

What is your first memory – if any – of the presence of class difference in our society?

Join Jane Wagner, Lily Tomlin, Joan Ganz Cooney, Liz Smith and Judith Martin in sharing the moment you first realized the existence of socioeconomic differences in society.
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Jane Wagner

Jane Wagner | 09/24/2009 2:30 am

Jane Wagner: A Family Divided

I first noticed and felt class difference within my own family. My mother’s mother (we called her "Mama Dear") was from South Carolina and was extremely Southern and somewhat aristocratic. I loved her deeply. She died when I was six. I was so distraught over losing her, they didn’t let me go to her funeral. But she and the rest of my mother’s family showed disdain toward my father, who had to drop out of school at 13 so he could help support his ailing German immigrant parents by working at a job printing shop.

My mother was only 16 years old when she eloped with him to Gatlinburg, TN, to get married. This certainly didn’t enamor him to mother’s family, but their treatment of him had more to do with his lack of education and his German, peasant background and the fact that he had no money, not that they did either – they just acted like they did.

My daddy became a linotype printer, and one time in my teens I visited him in the composing room of the Knoxville Journal. I saw him working at the huge, organ-like linotype machine. He knew so much about all those machines. He knew how to typeset. The machine emitted intermittent blasts of heat as it processed the slabs of white-hot lead, so he was working with his shirt off. Then he showed me how he could read type backward. I was proud of him and so impressed, and I recall thinking, "He should be better paid for this."

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 09/20/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney Looks Back at Age 5: 'Civil Rights Was to Become the Great Cause of My Life'

When I was five, I entered first grade in a public school, having never been to any school of any kind before. There was one clearly poor girl in the class. She was the first child I’d ever seen who was not middle class, and in my child’s mind it was as if she were from another planet. I’m ashamed to say I didn’t like her and did everything I could to avoid her.  

It’s interesting to note that in the segregated state I grew up in (Arizona), I knew and was in awe of several black children whose mothers were off and on our housekeepers. While the families were working class, the children were so beautifully groomed that I was in awe of them and I envied them their mothers’ uninhibited love and the pride their mothers openly showed in their children. Civil rights was to become the great cause of my life and I trace it back to affection I had for those mothers and their families.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Liz Smith on Mile-Wide Class Differences

Heck, I grew up in the South just before the Great Depression. I was still very young when I saw there that class differences were miles wide between paternalistic whites and the black people we depended on to work for us and make us comfortable.
I’d say about age five, I got it! I wrote all about this in the first pages of my memoir, Natural Blonde.
Judith Martin

Judith Martin | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Judith Martin on Class and Bullies

When I was in kindergarten at Janney Elementary School and saw those big tough girls in the sixth grade roaming around the playground at recess looking for small victims.

Lily Tomlin

Lily Tomlin | 09/29/2009 2:15 am

Lily Tomlin Gets a Lesson in Class

From about the age of seven, I was class conscious. I lived in a racially diverse and financially diverse neighborhood and I knew who was favored and who wasn’t and who had "nicer" material circumstances and who didn’t. It was the practice at our grade school in those days to stand and tell the class what you’d received for Christmas that year and it was gruesome because it was clear when a kid was lying or exaggerating out of shame, and I can remember being one of them. You might say you’d gotten a sweater and boots and a new coat and all kinds of things that you never showed up in. I can’t imagine what teacher would support such a practice today unless it was used anonymously to raise political and social consciousness and make it an illuminating exercise.

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Laurel Sayler
I noticed class differences in my own family at a very young age. My cousins wore the best fashions at the time like Guess Jeans, while I bought my clothes at Target or Mervyns. I never was able to start the school year with a brand new wardrobe because my mom was a teacher and didn’t get her first paycheck of the year til October. I was never spoiled unless I wanted books. I could always buy books. My family always thought that I was spoiled and I never knew why because I never felt spoiled. I didn’t get what I wanted, when I wanted it. I had to earn anything that wasn’t a book. My mom occasionally surprised me with a new Cabbage Patch Doll or she redid my room while I was visiting my Grandparents but those things were rare and I cherish my memories of it. I knew that while I didn’t have every new toy on the market I had what mattered most, my mom and my grandparents. I have memories of doing things with my grandparents that my cousins’ don’t have because they were too busy playing with their Barbies and Nintendo systems. So I guess in a way I was spoiled. I was spoiled with love and that is better than any toy on the market. Besides while my Aunt and Uncle were going into debt to buy the best I was going camping or on cruises that my mom saved up for.
By Laurel Sayler on 09/25/2009 4:05 pm
Linda Lopez

As a young girl growing up, the youngest of a large family, I always got hand me downs.  I didn’t mind so much except I was the tallest of the 5 girls.  Everything was always a little tighter and shorter on me. 

In elementary school I remember always feeling poor.  My mother and father were divorced before I was 5.  My mother worked very hard keeping our family together in the this big house with holes in the wall and mice running around in the walls and downstairs at night.  At school during an assembly, my teacher pulled me out of the auditorium to give me a pair of really nice shoes.  I was so self-conscious, I remember trying to hide my feet when I went back to my seat.  Thank God the lights were out in the auditorium when this took place.  Then another time when I was much older, I was in 7th grade, I was pulled out of class again to be given clothes to take home, just like they had done in the past.  This caused me much embarrassment as I didn’t want to be thought of as poor, and I didn’t want anyone thinking my Mom couldn’t take care of us.  I told them to get my older sister, who was in the 8th grade, to take them home.  They promptly told me she had told them to have me take them.  I said thank you and that I would be back after school to pick them up.  Ofcourse, neither of us never did pick up the clothes and they never offered us clothes or shoes again.  I think they understood.

I also ran into my father around this time.  I was either in 6th or 7th grade, when a friend of mine and I walked about 2 miles down to the local five and dime store.  Orcourse the owners, husband and wife from some foreign country and very nice, new my whole family, who didn’t.  My friend and I were picking out some candy when I saw this man.  I said to my friend, "I think that is my dad."  From pictures I had seen I had determined this.  I don’t ever recall seeing him before this.  I waited and hid a bit until I thought he left the store, then walked up to pay for our candy.  Mysteriously this man, my father, was standing next to me, although I hadn’t notice him there, when the owner said, "Do you know who this is?"  I was so embarrassed because, there were other shoppers in the store, so I said, "No."  I thought this would be the end of it and tried to convince myself it wasn’t my father.  She said, "This is your father."  I think I said something like "Oh, hi."  We stepped aside and started to talk.  He asked about my sisters and brothers, but never asked anything about me.  How old I was, what grade I was in, how was I doing in school.  All I could think about was how ragged my clothes were, with holes, rips and tares in them.  I didn’t want him to think my Mom couldn’t take care of us without him, and I was angry because he didn’t seem to care about me.  Maybe it was his way of denying me because I denied him.

Well, that was the last time I saw him until one Thanksgiving Day dinner many years later when I was a senior in high school, some of my brothers and sisters went across the street to see him.  He and his wife lived in a mobile home park 4 mobile homes down from his dad.  My Mom sent some of us over to get my brothers and sisters, and I volunteered to go with some of the others.  I didn’t talk to him or his wife, I just observed and listened to the others talking.  I somehow felt I was betraying my mother by being there, then we left.  The 3rd and last time I saw him was at a little wake we had for my grandfather, his dad, at my brothers house.  I was married and pregnant and flew in for the funeral.  I think we spoke for about 5 minutes and that was it.  We found out about my fathers death when my mother read it in the paper years and years later.

The other disturbing thing the grade school (K thru 8) system did in the 60’s was to separate smarter kids from average kids.  I took this as an offense.  The good thing was, I remember thinking all us average kids had all the good looking guys in our class (smile).

I grew up in an all white neighborhood, went to an all white grade school until my 8th grade.  The first Mexican/American boy came to our school and he was taken in by most of us.

My mother did a wonderful job raising all us children, and I know for a fact she was proud of that and all of us.  She once said to me, "One thing I can say is none of you turned out bad or went to jail."  Five out of 11 of us went on to get our college degrees.  My mother lost 3 of her children, my siblings, before her death, and this was very hard for her throughout her life.  It was something you didn’t ask her about, because it was too painfull for her.

By Linda Lopez on 09/25/2009 4:09 pm
Diana Grubb
In the early fifties when I was five our Ohio family visited distant cousins in Brimingham, Alabama. The younger family members spent the day at a swimming pool. While there three young African American kids came to the pool to swim. There was a huge scene and they were told to leave. No one could give me an good answer as to why this happened. I’ve never forgotten it. As I got older I finally realized that the world is sometimes a very cruel place. It makes me sad to this day to think about it. We’ve come a long way, but there’s still a long way to go.
By Diana Grubb on 09/25/2009 4:48 pm
MaryPage Drake

Horrible stories.  Sad stories.  Makes me feel that a great deal of the real picture of human existence is whitewashed and made to look glowingly perfect.  Sort of like the pictures of perfect families as portrayed on television during the fifties.

I do sense rather strongly, however, that a cruelty has crept into people that was not there when I was young.  Eighty now, I grew up in a small town in the Shenandoah Valley.  There was segregation, and it was taken for granted and not spoken of.  But there was also mutual respect and caring.  The poor among us were looked after by the entire community as much as possible, and we children were taught this was an important aspect of our lives as "good people."  We did not, so far as I can remember, think or say cruel things or act in a mean manner.

Frankly, and I may be mistaken in my belief, but I really think a lot of the snowballing of unconscionable behavior came about because our numbers have become overwhelming.  My home town had 432 people in it, rich & poor, black & white, when I was in elementary school.  Now they tell me it has tens of thousands of citizens! 

 

 

 

By MaryPage Drake on 09/25/2009 6:44 pm
Karen Koon

I am a 44 year old married women with 3 kids who was raised in the south bronx all my life..At the age of 40 my husband moved me and my now 9 year old to the suburbs of New Jersey…I got my first real ah ha moment there when we were out numbered, and for the first time in my life i felt out of place and my 6year old said to me that she loved where we moved to, but , she didn’t want to be the only brown face…The difference was the school system which blew me a way from one public school to another public school in the suburbs. If you saw where we came from you would have thought we were payin for private school..My neighbors were no longer jealous of me and my family  because where we moved to they feel if you live here you can afford so good morning. So they are the nicest neighbors i have ever had…As apposed to my project neighbors who wouldn’t even speak to you if you acheive to much in the neighborhood…They felt as if you think you are hot stuff or to good for the hood so you dont want to be around that when u are tryin so hard to acheive some type of comfortablity in life..

By Karen Koon on 09/25/2009 7:03 pm
Joan Bridgeman

I have two to share: 1)I remember comments being made by the ‘adults’ in the family and neighbors about the time the ‘gypsies’ came into town (we lived in Los Angeles, the Crenshaw district; a middle class working neighborhood) as a result of a death.  There was a Funeral Home on Slauson, one block from our house.  ‘They camped out for a days’ (a phrase repeated by several adults); we (my siblings and I) were told it was customary for them to pay their respects for days.  Everyone was in an uproar.  This took place in the late 50’s and 2) I realized from the first day in high school that the ‘head of the house’ was assumed to be the father of the family.  The teacher asked everyone to state what their father did for a living.  I was nervous and wondered what to say because my dad wasn’t one to hold down a job for long, we only saw him now and then or he would call once in a while. (He was an irresponsible parent, who didn’t even pay my mom for child support.  My mom and us (3 siblings) grew up living with my grandparents.)  When it came my turn to give an answer, I just said I didn’t have one.  The teacher took it as my dad passed away at sometime in my life; I didn’t bother to correct her.  My grandfather was a great role model, however he passed on when I was 8 years old; I am pround of the influence my mother, and both my grandmothers had in my life. 

By Joan Bridgeman on 09/25/2009 7:25 pm
Mary Robinson
I was raised in an orphanage so I noticed "class" differences at a very early age.  We were bussed to school in the nearest town with all the "regular people".   We were never allowed to forget that we were not "regular"
By Mary Robinson on 09/25/2009 7:26 pm
Rose Pina-Feil
I was raised in foster care and you just had the feeling that you were so different from other kids. You didn’t belong to anybody and somebody was paid to take care of you. I always had second hand clothes and it wasn’t until I was in junior high school that I was able to get work during the summer as a mother’s helper that I could supplement my wardrobe somewhat. I didn’t really notice the difference in class until I got to high school when girls who were popular always had nice clothes. I remember becoming friends with a girl in concert choir and she commented on a skirt I had and said she’d had one like that once. Little did she know that I was wearing her skirt because my foster mother’s friend worked for her family as a housekeeper. She was given discarded clothes which were passed on to me. I mean, even her name was sewn in the clothing. I used to wonder how it was that so many people had so much and how? You could walk a few blocks and you were in another world, the houses were huge, the lawns were neatly manicured, etc. Depending on the class category you fell under that would determine whether or not you were accepted. You weren’t invited to join sororities, clubs, participate in events, etc.  However, even though I am a person of color, I was accepted more by Caucasians than I was by people of other ethnicities. I believe all of the experiences I’ve had even as far as being rejected has made me more compassionate and understanding. I accept people no matter what. I don’t judge them by looks, status, race or whatever.
By Rose Pina-Feil on 09/25/2009 8:19 pm
Baby  Snooks

One of the things I’ve thought about is the number of people I went to school with and the ones who were "class-conscious" in terms of who they dated and married are all divorced, some several times divorced, while those who were not married once and are still married.  One in particular married against her parents’ wishes and they disowned her -her husband, who in their eyes was not ever going to amount to anything, ended up doing quite well.  Her parents, however, never really relented. No matter how well he does, he is still not what they wanted.  

I think like all prejudices, our "class-consciousness" is something we learn from our parents. 

By Baby Snooks on 09/25/2009 11:41 pm
virginia Steiner
I guess I was too dumb to know I was poor.  I just assumed that all kids like me wore their older sister’s clothes, and ate just one meal a day.  It wasn’t until I was in 3rd grade and the class assignment was to write out your family’s meals for a week.  We were told to write the plans for morning, lunch, and supper.  My mother left for work before my sister and I went to school, and the food in the ice box was for evening meal.  At school children were let out for the lunch break, I used it for reading and playing until the class bell rang.  It wasn’t until I was sixteen and I had been working for two years(my mother had taken me out of school to go to work) that an opportunity was given to me to go back to High School on a work scholarship.  I finished High School while working 40 hours a week, and then went on to college.  While in High School (it was a private school) I saw that most of the girls had numerous dresses, skirts and blouses.  I brought a moderage sewing machine, learned to sew, and for $1, yes $1, I could buy 3 yards of material.  I learned to make skirts, dresses, and simple blouses.  As I said, I was too dumb to know I was poor as a child, but I learned many valuable things, such as friends come in all colors, sizes, and economic difficulties, and sometimes the poorest of my friends were the most loyal.  There are opportunities in America, but most people need someone along the way to give you directions, and that is where a good education is a must for poor and rich alike.  My mother use to tell us girls that if we kept looking at the gutter all we will see is dirt, but if we look up at the sky we will see a world of opportunities, but we have to follow the directions of the winds to get where we are going.  vls
By virginia Steiner on 09/26/2009 6:03 am
BERT DODSON

My Daddy, was a bit of a bigot.  Anyone not Norsk was somehow less than he was this included my Mom (southern, Baptist, & female).  I listened to his often funny yet always cutting put downs of blacks, brown, yellow, republican, white collar, ethnic et al, and learned that isms were all false. 

We should not be colorblind nor should we discount religious, ethnic, or social distinctions. Rather we should accept and celebrate the very things that make each of us unique.  Different is not better or worse it is different.

The bedrock of the American Experiment is each of us is endowed with inalienable rights, not by the state, but by our creation. Life lived is lessons learned, and shared. I do-not want to live in a bland, homogenized country, I want to hear dialect, taste flavor, see the ever changing landscape.

By BERT DODSON on 09/26/2009 9:54 am
Grace Nash

 

 

When I was a young child, about age 9. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I do remember a difference in the class system.  I will be 80 years old in December.  My grandparents came to this country from Italy, my parents were born in the United States.  My mother had to leave school when she was in th 6th grade to go to work, picking coal from the railroad tracks.  They never spoke anything but English at home, so I was only able to c

By Grace Nash on 09/26/2009 10:37 am
Cheryl Kaplan
I was in the city with my parents.  We were about to go to the subway, when my father said, it will be easier to grab a cab.  I looked at the people heading to the subway and looked at some others getting into a cab. I noticed a difference then.
By Cheryl Kaplan on 09/26/2009 10:51 am
Mary Keiser
Although books have been written about the shameless treatment of Native Americans, my life in the "White Lilly Pond" prevented me from experiencing this as fact, until I walked with them through popular tourist traps (on their land )and witnessed blatent racism. I feel, as Americans we continue to either place them in History books or on reservations, swept out of mainstream conscious.
By Mary Keiser on 09/26/2009 11:49 am
Mary Buchanan
When I was 4 y living in a rented townhome, there was a groundskeeper who was a black man. I did not understand his color. That is, why his hands looked so pinkish on the inside and his skin color so contrasted with the back of his hands and his face. He was a nice man. I held his hand and he’d let me see. He left me a donut in his office space and machine room. But I think for me, race was not a preplexing sorrow to me. The contrast in being a white female, Catholic and being among seven brothers and having a mother, so overwhelmed with childcare and maintaining a household - that shaped me. Even at a very young age I  did not view a Barbie doll or a baby doll as anything magical or an object I coud project myself in a fantasy. Babies were real world to me, not plastic. Beauty, marriage - not once did I see myself in a wedding gown. I remember feeling quietly angry every Sunday, going to Mass, knowing that I, a girl, could not be special in church. I could not be an alter boy - far harder to figure out and understand than one’s pigment.
By Mary Buchanan on 09/26/2009 1:58 pm