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Question of the Day | 09/26/2009 5:30 am

What is your first memory – if any – of the presence of class difference in our society?

Join Jane Wagner, Lily Tomlin, Joan Ganz Cooney, Liz Smith and Judith Martin in sharing the moment you first realized the existence of socioeconomic differences in society.
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Jane Wagner

Jane Wagner | 09/24/2009 2:30 am

Jane Wagner: A Family Divided

I first noticed and felt class difference within my own family. My mother’s mother (we called her "Mama Dear") was from South Carolina and was extremely Southern and somewhat aristocratic. I loved her deeply. She died when I was six. I was so distraught over losing her, they didn’t let me go to her funeral. But she and the rest of my mother’s family showed disdain toward my father, who had to drop out of school at 13 so he could help support his ailing German immigrant parents by working at a job printing shop.

My mother was only 16 years old when she eloped with him to Gatlinburg, TN, to get married. This certainly didn’t enamor him to mother’s family, but their treatment of him had more to do with his lack of education and his German, peasant background and the fact that he had no money, not that they did either – they just acted like they did.

My daddy became a linotype printer, and one time in my teens I visited him in the composing room of the Knoxville Journal. I saw him working at the huge, organ-like linotype machine. He knew so much about all those machines. He knew how to typeset. The machine emitted intermittent blasts of heat as it processed the slabs of white-hot lead, so he was working with his shirt off. Then he showed me how he could read type backward. I was proud of him and so impressed, and I recall thinking, "He should be better paid for this."

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 09/20/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney Looks Back at Age 5: 'Civil Rights Was to Become the Great Cause of My Life'

When I was five, I entered first grade in a public school, having never been to any school of any kind before. There was one clearly poor girl in the class. She was the first child I’d ever seen who was not middle class, and in my child’s mind it was as if she were from another planet. I’m ashamed to say I didn’t like her and did everything I could to avoid her.  

It’s interesting to note that in the segregated state I grew up in (Arizona), I knew and was in awe of several black children whose mothers were off and on our housekeepers. While the families were working class, the children were so beautifully groomed that I was in awe of them and I envied them their mothers’ uninhibited love and the pride their mothers openly showed in their children. Civil rights was to become the great cause of my life and I trace it back to affection I had for those mothers and their families.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Liz Smith on Mile-Wide Class Differences

Heck, I grew up in the South just before the Great Depression. I was still very young when I saw there that class differences were miles wide between paternalistic whites and the black people we depended on to work for us and make us comfortable.
I’d say about age five, I got it! I wrote all about this in the first pages of my memoir, Natural Blonde.
Judith Martin

Judith Martin | 09/20/2009 1:00 am

Judith Martin on Class and Bullies

When I was in kindergarten at Janney Elementary School and saw those big tough girls in the sixth grade roaming around the playground at recess looking for small victims.

Lily Tomlin

Lily Tomlin | 09/29/2009 2:15 am

Lily Tomlin Gets a Lesson in Class

From about the age of seven, I was class conscious. I lived in a racially diverse and financially diverse neighborhood and I knew who was favored and who wasn’t and who had "nicer" material circumstances and who didn’t. It was the practice at our grade school in those days to stand and tell the class what you’d received for Christmas that year and it was gruesome because it was clear when a kid was lying or exaggerating out of shame, and I can remember being one of them. You might say you’d gotten a sweater and boots and a new coat and all kinds of things that you never showed up in. I can’t imagine what teacher would support such a practice today unless it was used anonymously to raise political and social consciousness and make it an illuminating exercise.

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Didi Lorillard
One day when I walked the few blocks to our beach club with my neighborhood friend, I was told at the front door that I couldn’t bring her in with me ever again.  That friend lived in a house larger than ours overlooking that very beach.  At the time, we were seven years old.  My friend was white, rich, and Italian.
By Didi Lorillard on 09/28/2009 8:13 am
Woodsy Gal

I learned about class as a child when I was told I was adopted because my mother was single and not financially secure, therefore was not as deserving of me as my adopted parents were.

I learned about it again as an adult when I found I am not given equal rights as other US citizens, since I am an adult adoptee.

Please open original birth records to adult adoptees nationwide.

Stop Discriminating, please give all adults Equal Access to vital records.

I’m 47, tell me my mothers name, I demand it.

Stop treating me like a criminal, a second class or less-deserving citizen, or as if I am in the witness protection program.

By Woodsy Gal on 09/28/2009 10:23 am
Sherry Dale
I was in the 2nd grade and had gone to a Brownie meeting (this is what you are before you become a girl scout.)  I was behind on my membership fees, we were a very well-to-do family but had just forgotten to pay.  When I got to the meeting, I was "reminded" I needed to pay again, I was told where the money was kept, so I went in with the cash and left it where instructed.  The next day, a classmate who lived at that address and who’s mother was the den mother (or whatever they are called) said I stole all the money from the pot.  I knew I didn’t, but at that moment I was shunned because all the girls thought I didn’t have money to pay.  It is something I will never forget.
By Sherry Dale on 09/28/2009 2:41 pm
albert miller
It is interesting in tales of near death, that the experiencers, when faced by figures of great power, do not feel inferior or frightened.   But instead, feel total acceptance and feelings of love and safety. It looks like earth is a specially created place for unpleasant conditions.
By albert miller on 09/29/2009 2:57 am
Laura Ward

In Texas I first became aware of prejudice in my first Catholic School against Jews and Blacks. I’m so happy to see it changed. Maybe it’s not erradicated, but we’ve come a long way since I became aware in the early 60s. There was only one male Black student in our school and very few Black Catholics in our parish. He was very shy and didn’t seem happy. He eventually left. It was a very white neighborhood. My next Catholic High School had more Black students, but it was also in the minority. However, since some were very athletic, I remember them all being popular.

I remember a lot more prejudice in my first Catholic School than in my second. I don’t know if it was because it was smaller, or if it was because I was younger or if it was because the years of racial tolerance was breaking through in the second school. I spent two years in the first school and four years in the second school. It’s entirely possible, times were catching up in the second school by 1972 when I left.

My father was from Paraguay, my maternal grandfather was from Germany and my maternal grandmother was from Mexico. They seeemed to be all prejudice against African Americans mainly because they didn’t have any in their countries and we didn’t have many African Americans (they were called Blacks in the 60s) in our neighborhood or Church in Houston. But as Blacks moved into our neighborhoods, we moved. My father said he didn’t mind if our next door neighbor was Black, but when he was surrounded by Blacks, he felt uncomfortable.

By the end of their lives, my father (he died in 2001) and my grandfather (he died in 1984) were no longer prejudice. But my grandmother never lost her prejudice (she died in 2005). However the irony is for 10 years, she was the only one who ended up in a nursing home at 98 years old being cared by many African Americans especially men who had to help lift her in and out of bed and wheelchair. I think she never lost her prejudice because she suffered from prejudism herself since she was Hispanic. She felt superior to them, maybe?

None of us six children were ever prejudice I think. One sister almost married a Black man in 1978 and our parents were unhappy. Years later, our parents wouldn’t have minded. Now the grandchildren have relationships with African Americans and it’s much more accepted.

In 2006, I worked for BP (British Petroleum) in the Diversity and Inclusion Department and has an interesting conversation with two male African Americans who were close to my age, late 40s, early 50s. They both said the same thing. They could never get used to saying they were African American. They always said they were Black. They also said, they could never say there were Negro which I assume is what they were called in the 40s, 50s and before.

I was raised Catholic although I can’t say I’m Catholic now. For a long time I never understood why Jewish people were being discriminated against, even here in Houston. I remember one Catholic school teacher proudly say, "I can always tell a Jew." I thought it was a religion, not a heritage. But then, in my part of Houston, we didn’t have Jewish people. However, there is a huge Jewish population in Houston. I just didn’t know them and live there. I finally got the difference many years later. But I still don’t get why they’re treated differently considering they’re such an old religion. I would think they are are a superior religion just because they’re an older religion. Why would the way we believe in God change? Okay, I know Christ was born, but I don’t think he meant for the religion to change the way it did, because after that, Jews became persecuted and it hasn’t stopped even today. Most religions stem from Judaism. But that’s me, a lapsed Catholic, or an agnostic. I would like a happy medium religion between a Jew and Catholic because I am spiritualist. My very Catholic mom laughs at me when I say that.

By Laura Ward on 09/29/2009 1:02 pm
cathy ornelas

I believe my earliest memory was when I started public school.  I am Native American and each and every teacher made sure that I knew it and everyone around how proud and ‘special’ i was because of my heritage.  They were well meaning people and i know they cared about me but other kids were not so much in awe of my heritage and made a point to make fun of me, push me around and let me know that Indians were dirty, poor and not worth much except to make fun of them, cowboys and indians, saying ‘how’, making yelping sounds imitating the black and white western movies they saw.  There was a time that i wanted to go and live on the reservation, just to get away from society and be with ‘my kind’.  i grew up in southern california during the early 60’s. This caused me to withdraw from socializing with a lot of other children but then again I became even more competitive and strived to be the best i could be and not care what others thought of me.

What I also learned was the difference between light skinned mexicans and dark skinned, there was a difference! I was shocked that a race could turn against themselves.  If you were light skinned you could be thought of as ‘white’ or caucasian which was acceptable, but if you were dark skinned oh that was another story, and whether you were born in Mexico or California that was another reason for prejudice.  I have a friend who experienced this and when she had children she prayed they would be light skinned so they wouldn’t experience prejudice..

 

By cathy ornelas on 09/29/2009 10:30 pm