Obama Blinks. Trump Wins

Why on earth, Mr. wOw wonders, did the president give in to Donald Trump’s political antics?

Mr. wOw was in a good mood this a.m. when word came that the president — after weeks of hectoring by the physically and mentally bloated Donald Trump — was releasing his original birth certificate. The “Birther” issue is nothing new. But Trump in one of the ugliest moves by a public person, took it to a new level.

And now the president has given in. He has the produced the document that the state of Hawaii restricts from all its citizens, including, up till this morning, the President of the United States.

Of the weak moves this intelligent, well-meaning man has made in his three years in office, this has to the weakest, the worst, the biggest miscalculation. Does he think the issue is going to go away now? Hardly. The “long form” birth certificate will be declared a forgery, just as the certificate of live birth was questioned. And where will it end? Trump has already expanded his “investigation” of the president by declaring him a “terrible student” and demanding to see his school records — though few presidents have ever done so.

What next? The legality of his marriage? The legitimacy of his children?

I am so distressed right now that voting for Obama again seems a grave error. I’ll probably get over my distress. Who else is there to vote for? But I’ll cast my ballot with an even heavier heart than I did the first time.

Oh, Mr. President, why couldn’t have stayed strong on this. You have given Donald Trump the biggest hard-on of his life. (I have a feeling that even so, it is not very impressive) And now? Trump will for sure run for the highest office in the land.

To make matters even more pathetic, Trump had his own press conference, crowing about what he “made” Obama do, what a great man he (Trump) is, etc. And, of course Donald’s press conference ran before the president’s.

I’m drinking my lunch.

Oh, don’t say — yes, I would anyway.

63 comments so far.

  1. avatar Andy C says:

    Oh Mr. Wow, no truer words were said “Who else is there to vote for?”  Sadly, in our country, we keep getting less and less of a choice.  Was it always this way?  Has tghe media dug it us into this grave and we lived in a fool’s paradise in the past?  As for Mr. Trump……can you imagine how we look to other countries with the Palin and the Donald being considered as viable candidates?  Oy vey!

  2. avatar D C says:

    I think we have come to the point where anybody worth anything would have nothing to do with being President of the US, because it’s just too much trouble for anybody with a real head on their shoulders to bother with.  Why would anybody want to take that on?  If ~I~ were to run, they’d start with: 

    In first grade she lost her temper at the boy who kept sticking his foot out to trip her when she walked by and nearly took his head off with her music folder.  (seriously, it was just a slap, and he deserved it)

    In 5th grade she humiliated her teacher who had just acquired the braces she’d never been able to afford by placing the chain from her vest across her teeth and smiling at the girl next to her (when really, I just really, truly admired that teacher so much and wanted to be just like her).

    In 7th grade she exhibited a serious lack of grace when she face-planted on the concrete locker room floor, breaking a front tooth (A president MUST be graceful)

    And it will go on and on and on…. and when we get to college, it’s just flat over, folks. 

    Why would ANYONE in their right mind want that? 

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear DC…I believe it was Mick Jagger who said only an actor or a madman would seek the American presidency.  And that was back in day!

  3. avatar KarenR says:

    Stop being so silly. Trump didn’t do squat, he’s merely taking PR advantage of an opportunity. I certainly hope you look beyond PR hype to real action taken, accomplishments achieved, and diplomatic competency when you decide how to vote. Honestly, image alone ISN’T everything!

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Karen…image isn’t everything?  Really?  Well, it was Ronald Reagan’s image that got him elected.  And Obama didn’t win the White House on his vast experience. 

      Image counts for a lot. 

      As I said—I’ll probably get over it and vote for O again.  But I’d like to see some balls if he squeezes out a second term. 

      As to your first sentence.  I can’t stop being silly.  I call myself Mr. Wow.  Case closed on that.

      • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

        Mr. Wow: Here we go again with the gonads. Since there are numerous idiots that go along with Trump re: the birther nonsense, the White House decided to put an end to it once and for all. This has nothing to do with balls; it has to do with being sick to death of fabrications. And going a little farther down the nether region, it has to do with Obama just not being ONE OF US. All presidents will be criticized; Obama has been vilified.

      • avatar Mr. Wow says:

        Dear Phyllis…put an end to it?  By giving in to a crass idiot like Donald Trump?  I’m sorry.  If the president  felt compelled to address this at all, this was the moment for Obama to risk being called an “angry black man.” 

        Fuck you.  I was born in America.  I am an American.  I am the president of the United States. Period. 

        Jesus–G.W. Bush didn’t win the 2000 election.  But he felt secure enough once he was in, after the counting stopped, to eventually declare himself “The Decider.”   

        I’d like to see some of that brass from Obama. 

      • avatar KarenR says:

        Negotiators and others more skilled at conflict resolution don’t do that. It’s far, far easier to respond in a confrontational, reactionary manner than it is to exercise the discipline required to sit back, assess, and respond or ignore accordingly.

        Reagan wasn’t elected just on image – he had been a union president, he had been Governor of Cali. Obama, while unfamiliar to many, did have experience that mattered to many of those who raised him up at the outset – and it’s that same educated, community organizer conciliatory style that drives political reactionaries nuts.

      • avatar O E says:

        Mr. Wow, I seldom disagree with you, but I do this time.  Obama has shown he’s got not the brass balls, but the solid gold ones that come with self-confidence, intelligence, and class.  All those things that braggart, bully, opportunist Donald Trump lacks. I even caught Trump saying “who” when “whom” was called for.  And he wants to see Obama’s grades?  Obama who graduated Summa Cum Laude, led the Harvard Law Review, and has never filed for bankruptcy to get out of debt?  What all the publicity Trump seeks is doing is reveal the copper under all the gilding on his name on the buildings.  He can’t stand to see a man with better education, substance, and integrity than him (and black to boot) as President.

      • avatar Mr. Wow says:

        Dear  OE…sure, Obama has class, intelligence and wonderful intentions (I think)  But why did he stoop to…well, not even to conquer.  Just to try to rid himself of an absurdity? 

        In elevating Donald Trump, Obama has done a diservice to all those who voted for him. 

        Sigh!  But, yes.  I will again.  He doesn’t make it easy  however.  Especially after today.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        Fuck you.  I was born in America.  I am an American.  I am the president of the United States. Period. 

        _____________________________

        That of course is what  Obama should have said because that is what McCain would have said.  We forget the controvery over his birth. Settled very quickly by the “consitutitonalists”in the Senate who quickly determined that McCain was “born on Americana soil.” Even though the soil was in Panama.  Of course, well, you know. McCain is white.  We don’t question white people the way we do black people. Obviously. 

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        Unfortunately he has opened Pandora’s Box.  What’s next?  More than likely Trump is merely ensuring a landslide for Obama in 2012., By people who refuse to allow this country to return to the “good old days” the Tea Baggers want to return it to.

  4. avatar Richard Bassett says:


    Trump is not going to run for president. He likes to be in the news and he is patting himself on the back saying that “he made the President do it”, which is his only reason; though I do not think that before this morning that he believed it could be done. It surprised him and now he believes that he has greater power than he thought. The stunt is his focus, the subject comes second. And continuing to ride on this wave of pseudo-power, the document must now be investigated for validity, which is no surprise as it keeps the ‘stunt’ alive. The fact that Obama DID it was not the way to handle the bully. Ignoring Trump would have been the solution…not giving into him. I wonder what reason Obama’s constituents rationalized that lead to this action. Just to shut everyone (Trump) up? Well, that isn’t going to happen. Is there a question of validity? That is being denied. To prove Obama as ‘one of the people’? That is not necessary. He already won the presidency. So, I am more disappointed by Obama’s response than to Trump’s demand. On some level, it has fueled some fire and will be forever used as an example of the President Obama giving in.

  5. avatar mary burdt says:

    Well, Mr. Wow, the President took the bait and allowed The Donald to win this particular battle. Why in the world Obama even gave this egomaniac the time of day is beyond me. Obama should not play this game with Trump…say NOTHING about him or his birther movement again. Never, ever. Our President is indeed an honorable man who has been villified from the get-go. The Republicans can’t stand a black in the White House. How sad is that? I had hoped we had become a people who embraced all diversities…I was wrong.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Mary…I didn’t remark on it in my post, but I’ll say it here again—it’s all racist.    This birther venom is racist.  And I say this as an Obama voter who is not altogether pleased by his performance so far.  But I know what I know and I know what I see and hear. 

      I am crushed by his giving in to this.  Very sad day.

      • avatar isa says:

        Mr WOW, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that Obama can do, not do to fix this birther issue or implement any policy that will make him look in any favourable light to many Americans at this time in history.  And yes mostly it is because he is black!   I am afraid that your continous criticism of his moves is playing into this whole thing.  Yes, some of Obama’s moves could have been different, but given the political s…, I mean political and economic pressure going on in Washington, I believe he has done much more than most of us would have been able to withstand.   Look at what Clinton had to do.  Another smart man, yet he moved completely to the center, implemented crazy policies (don”t ask don’t tell ??) had affairs while doing so, and still ended up looking ok.  This President will not end up looking ok for most people in this country at this time.  THAT IS the sad, very sad state of affairs!!  But I have hope that in the continuation of progress, and as long as many of us continue to keep working on progress, changes will continue to occur in time.  And we will be able to see Obama in context and be grateful then at how much work he really did.  Be angry at him if you must. I am not sure though that this continous criticisms, not just from you, but from many “liberals”  is going to serve us in the long run.  
        The donalds and teapartiers and birthers and old wood stuck in DC for the past thirty years have a lot of power, regardless of their IQ, a kind of power Obama still does not have due to the color of his skin, regardless of how smart, educated or wealthy he is.   

      • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

        Isa: Excellent post. Knowing one’s history is essential for understanding the current situation, and you apparently do. I concur with your comments: see my post above.

      • avatar isa says:

        Good to hear from you Phyllis.  I read your post above.  I agree.  It’s going to take more than just gonads to make real changes in this world today.

  6. avatar Barbara says:

    Donald Trump and Franklin Graham look silly and racist. In the past week they have accused President Obama of not being born in the US, hiding his birth place, not being qualified for college, not being a real christian or christian enough or some such nonsense. Where will it end? These old, white men are so incensed that an intelligent black man could get elected and lead the country that they will grasp at anything. And unfortunately the press gives them their publicity and the “crazies” follow right along and believe it all.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Barbara…unfortunately I believe it will end with Mr. Obama being a one-term president and not another man of color near the White House for many, many, many years. 

      Many. 

      • avatar Anais P says:

        Mr. Wow, I think Obama will win next year. Why? The Republicans have no candidates of stature, and no one who will ably survive the infighting and backbiting that will naturally occur in the GOP primary. It is unfortunate Obama gave in to Trump, who is now emboldened enough to ask for Obama’s grades that got  him into Harvard! Perhaps Trump forgets that Obama’s father was a graduate student at Harvard, so the President could have been a legacy student. Trump also forgets (or never knew) that Obama’s father was quite a brilliant man, so the apple probably did not fall far from the tree. After all, Obama graduated magna cum laude and was the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. But that’s not good enough for The Donald. Now I wonder: how did Trump get into Penn?

    • avatar Baby Snooks says:

      The reality of Franklin Graham is he is merely a reflection of his father but unlike his father he doesn’t believe in keeping his personal beliefs to himself and isn’t very good at hiding them like his father.  This is a Christian nation. And apparently the founding fathers were all Baptists. Everyone else may be saved through the grace of Christ. But only if they follow the Baptist way.  The best example of that is Texas where the Baptists have long ruled the Texas legislature. We’re not supposed to talkabout these things in public. Or  in “mixed company” at the dinner table so to speak. But the Curse of Ham?  The word of god. Absolute. Minorities can be saved as well. As long as they know their place. And stay there.   If they did an actual “religious” demographic of the Tea Party I can assure you most are Baptists.The Baptists are in Washington as well. They call themselves “dominionists” and have prayer groups.  For everyone. But they lead. And everone follows. They are good at waving the money around. And they have a lot of money to wave around. The bulk of the misionary work on the part of Baptists is in Congress.

      Baby Snooks is being impolite. But then Baby Snooks wasn’t impolite first. Franklin Graham was.

  7. avatar Mary says:

    Mr. Wow, and everyone else that thinks it is a racist issue, I agree.  Obama now needs to stop giving in to them.  Let this be the end of all the stupid and ridiculous things that we can possibly waste our time and effort reading about and hearing about.  I thought about this most of the day as I too was pretty disgruntled that Obama “gave in”.  Now I am not so upset and can think that maybe there was another reason.  One reason I came up with is maybe this will flush out the Trump and Graham population and Birthers in general so the general public and those with any intelligience at all will see those instigators and racist for what they are.    In his press conference Obama said he is just wanting to put a end to it all so we can move on.  Ok so we will move on.  If those like Trump have nothing more to do than to keep the crap moving then maybe some of those followers will push Trump to have some intelligient discussion on some of the real issues of importance to us all.

    As far as not being Christian enough etc. I live in what is called the Bible Belt of this country.  I have dealings with those Christian minded folks and have yet to meet one I would trust to walk away from without knives being thrown in my back and that is the truth folks.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Mary…you know when we’ll really be free?  When we have an unmarried atheist president.  

      Man or woman, white or black,  those are the qualities I yearn for—no phony “family values” or calling on God.  Just taking care of the people of this country.  And being honest. 

      I will not live to see such a paradise. 

      • avatar Mary says:

        Actually that is probably true, but I think it will be when the aliens land and show up in their colorful skins and take over the world.   Now that would be something to see.

        Peace……………..

    • avatar elaine s says:

      Mary, you are so right about the so called Christians in the Bible Belt.  They are the worst people I have enver encountered.  They are uniformly Republian rascists.

  8. avatar Maggie W says:

    I have always been amused yet so disappointed that many Americans were taken in by the birther nonsense.   Why would so many people be so gullible?  I also remember what John and Cindy McCain went through when there were  nasty rumors that John had fathered a black child ( daughter Brigette).  How sad for them and the lovely baby Cindy fell in love with in an orphanage overseas.  Romney will always have to endure snickers about his religion.  And so it goes. 

    Politics is a bloody arena.    No President prior to Obama has had so many death threats; his lovely wife has been mocked for taking a stand against childhood obesity.  We have hit a new low in disrespect with this President.    We also don’t seem to care about real issues…. the economy, healthy care, etc.  We just care about the fluff… what Michelle wears,  why a”  Muslim ”  is having an Easter egg roll on the White House lawn,  and so on.

    Here is what is so frightening.  I heard Bachman say to a crowd that ” maybe we should not raise the debt ceiling”.  Her crowd cheered!!   Do these people not understand what would come crashing down around our heads?   Yet… this woman is a serious contender for the White House.   I believe Obama finally addressed the birth certificate issue to call out people like Bachman and Trump and Palin.   If you are going to enter the arena, come with  knowledge of real issues and prepare.  Don’t come with silly fluff…. which is so very dangerous for the gullible electorate.

  9. avatar Mary says:

    Maggie W.  Thank you, you said better what I was trying to say………..

     believe Obama finally addressed the birth certificate issue to call out people like Bachman and Trump and Palin.   If you are going to enter the arena, come with  knowledge of real issues and prepare.  Don’t come with silly fluff…. which is so very dangerous

  10. avatar Lila says:

    Mr. Wow, Here’s Obama’s explanation (taken from Mother Jones’ article, “Why Obama Took On the Birthers”):

    “Normally I would not comment on something like this, because obviously there’s a lot of stuff swirling in the press on at any given day and I’ve got other things to do. But two weeks ago, when the Republican House had put forward a budget that will have huge consequences potentially to the country, and when I gave a speech about my budget and how I felt that we needed to invest in education and infrastructure and making sure that we had a strong safety net for our seniors even as we were closing the deficit, during that entire week the dominant news story wasn’t about these huge, monumental choices that we’re going to have to make as a nation. It was about my birth certificate. And that was true on most of the news outlets that were represented here.”

    The president said a “larger point” was at stake: at a time when the country faces serious challenges, it cannot develop solutions “if we’re distracted.” He added, “We’re not going to be able to do it if we spend time vilifying each other. We’re not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts.”

    Well, amen to all that. The media is as much to blame for the disproportionate attention given to a non-issue, as the wacko birthers are. It’s also to blame for the fact that a joke “candidate” like Trump gets more attention than any serious candidate, or than the real issues. The media treats Americans like children – it provides entertainment and outrage, rather than offering intelligent discussion of the big issues.

    Then again… maybe they are just feeding the market…

  11. avatar rick gould says:

    Meanwhile, as the country goes down the toilet…

    Why would ANYBODY give Donald Trump the time of day? He is the poster child for everything that is wrong with this country: Bloated, entitled, loud, arrogant, tacky… a professional hack, who takes and gives nothing back. Who got there with daddy’s money.

    Will we really have a Queens version of Dubya in the White House? I don’t believe it myself. But if the majority vote a moron like that in, then that’s what the people deserve!

    • avatar Bonnie O says:

      Gosh,  I am hesitant to defend Donald Trump but your comments are not true.  I have no idea what Trump thinks of himself but I do know the man gives a great deal of money to charity.  Last month we were made aware that one of his dondations was a $50,000 amount to Fisher House.  President Obama’s tax return indicates he and Michelle donated $100,000.   Fisher House is an charity to assist families of wounded veterans with housing so that they can live near their wounded warrior while he/she goes through the long process of recovery and physical therapy.

      It would be better if you had investigated your allegations before making your comment.
      However, no harm done.

      • avatar rick gould says:

        I actually believe what a person does or doesn’t do with their money is their own business.

        But when you are a hyperbolic hog at the trough like the Donald, you should be able to take the scrutiny as well as dish it out.

        Trump, who has bragged about his wealth being in the billions, is a notorious tightwad when it actually comes to parting with cash. His Trump Foundation falls far short in charitable giving compared to his fellow billionaires.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        You don’t see his name anywhere but on his own buildings.  Guess $50,000 doesn’t buy much these days.  For someone supposedly worth billions he isn’t too generous with it.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        How much did he give to the various 911 funds?  Leona Helmsley gave a reported $25 million in all. Starting  the $5 million she took down to the “neighborhood fire station.” Shocked everyone. Don’t know why. She was giving it away long  before she was charged with tax evasion. Odd how when the IRS audit was finally done, she and her hsband had overpaid.  Odd how you can overpay your taxes while evading  them.

        Rudy Guiliani would have taken the Mafia with him to the White House. I don’t even want to think about what Donald Trump might take with him.

      • avatar rick gould says:

        Hey Baby–
        I tried to post a link from a recent Smoking Gun documenting how LITTLE Trump donates in comparison to other billionaires…it’s in the famous WoW moderation mode ;)

        It mentions some of the same numbers that you did.
        That said, charitable giving is a private thing. But when you’re a tireless publicity hound like Trump, you should be able to take the heat as well as put someone else’s feet to the fire.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        I am forever amazed by what happened to Leona Helmsley. The things stlll written about her are more fiction than fact. In the end, believe me, god wrote “She did good” next to her name in the Book of Life. And in the end everyone discovered
        But in the end, everyone discovered for themselves what Rudy Guiliani was all about. And they will discover in the end what Donald Trump was all about.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        I don’t know why I bother trying to edit posts. The unedited version is what always seems to end up being posted. The new and improved wowOwow isn’t so improved.

  12. avatar Jon T says:

    I’ve never disagreed with Mr. Wow’s opinion before, but I’m actually kind of glad Obama squashed this one. And I was one of those people who previously felt no response was the best response. I realize his detractors will either refuse to believe the certificate is real or complain that he took too long to show the certificate (didn’t he show it when he petitioned to run for President over two years ago?). But at some point enough is enough. The birthers will continue to exist in their fantasy world, and Trump is such a narcissist that he’ll continue to contort himself into a pretzel trying to avoid admitting he was wrong. I saw this as a nice S-T-F-U response from the Prez.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Jon..squashed in what way?  By whom?  Have you read the conserative websites today?  Nobody believes it. 

      We who are sane have always believed he was born in the USA.  And then there are the others. 

      As I said above—what will Obama have to “prove” next?

      P.S.  I can’t believe you’ve never disagreed with me before this! 

      • avatar BeanCounter says:

        Like Obama said, he didn’t do it to placate people that run these biased websites you mention.  He did it for the people who are more reasonably minded…more moderate….and who may believe he has something to hide by avoiding such a simple demand upon our public servant.   I’m with Jon T on this one.   And for the record, I had to provide various official documents to my employer in order to work for them, in order to prove to them that I could legally work in this country.   I don’t think this is asking much.   Obama should have squashed this a long time ago.

      • avatar Jon T says:

        :-) No, really! I’m pretty much on the same page with you most of the time, Mr. Wow. Looking back, “squashed” probably is too optimistic a word, since the ding-a-lings who actually believed this silliness in the first place won’t likely give up. But I do think as the birthers who are particularly starved for attention (like Trump) struggle to keep this thing going, they’ll now have to settle for arguing amongst themselves. The big question has now been answered twice.

        That being said, I do agree that he had no obligation to “do this sooner”, if ever. Out of all the 2008 presidential hopefuls, Obama is really the only one who didn’t have to provide proof of being a natural born citizen? Incredible!

  13. avatar Bonnie O says:

    Wonderful decision by the President.  He could have made public the birth certificate years ago but for some reason he resisted.  All the conversations, speculations and doubt (remember I had a smidgen) could have been avoided if only President Obama listened to the anxiety expressed by so many Americans.  But, in my opinion, he dumped all the doubters into one group …. those who disagreed with him politically, were racically motivated or were folks who loved conspiracy-related issues.   Trump’s entry into the birther debate made it clear to the nation that all the expressed doubt could not be so easily shelved.  It is finally over.  Wonderful!

    And if Donald Trump does a bit of crowing …. so what?  He did bring the issue to the forward burners on the stove so that even Obama was feeling the heat….. needlessly.  However, I do agree with Richard’s comment above, I doubt if Trump will enter the race.  Maybe that is just my sincere hope.

    • avatar KarenR says:

      Obama had released what is the standard form issued by the State of Hawaii to all of its residents requesting an official proof of birth. It is not standard practice for them to issue the long form.

      The fact that others have insisted in seeing this long form is typical of those who have issues with minorities. Groundbreaking minority people have always been pushed to perform above and beyond the standards that are considered otherwise acceptable when applied to those who don’t even recognize their inherent privilege.

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        And what did John McCain produce? Nothing as I recall. Just his buddies in the Senate “declaring” that they had “determined” that he had been born on the base in the Panama Canal Zone and therefore was born on US soil. For all we know his mother was in Caracas doing the cha-cha when her water broke.  So, where’s his proof? Oh, I forgot. He’s white.

      • avatar O E says:

        The fact that John McCain was born in the a military base in Panama, doesn’t mean he was born in United States’ soil.  The territory the military bases occupied on both sides of the Panama Canal were LEASED from Panama and the Torrijos-Carter Treaty ended those leases on December 31, 1999.  It was always Panamanian soil.  Panama was then the landlord, but many Americans are not aware of that.  McCain is American because his parents (at that time living on a base there) were Americans. Period.

        One of the sad results of an education that is regionalist and excludes the existence of the rest of the world, is fear.  Why do you think so many Americans are afraid of Middle Eastern people? Simply because they don’t know about them or their culture.  Ignorance is a basic element of fear.  I was amazed when I came to this country over 50 years ago, from Panama, at the number of people who asked where Panama was, who thought the first language there was English, and all they could connect with was the canal. 

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        There actually was a question raised, never answered, regarding the actual soil with regard to the “condition” placed with regard to who could servea as president by the founding fathers. Natural born citizen. Needs to be defined a little further I guess.

        That aisde, I know where Panama is. I know where Caracas is also. I don’t know for sure where his mother was when he was born. Just where he says she was.. Again, where’s HIS proof? Again, I forgot. He’s white.

      • avatar Mahulda Fite says:

        John McCain’s eligibility was questioned in 2008 and he provided his original birth certificate.

        The flap led to the Senate having to declare him Constitutionally eligible to serve.

        So much for racist conspiracy theories.

      • avatar KarenR says:

        The Senate passed a resolution but in itself the resolution has no legal authority or power. All they did was warn away some of those who would challenge McCain. The nature of McCain’s citizenship (“natural-born” or “naturalized”) has never been truly established. Only “natural-born” are eligible to be President.

        snopes.com/politics/mccain/citizen.asp

      • avatar isa says:

        George W Romney (who also made a run for the presidency on the Repubblican side) of American parents, was born in a mormon colony in Mexico. 

      • avatar Baby Snooks says:

        Tell us more. Please. I assume the Republicans declared that Mormon colonies in other countries are in fact “US soil?” Most Democrats are nothing more than modern versions of the carpetbaggers, cleaning out the bakeries the taxpayers pay for leavig crumbs for the people the bakeries were intended to feed. But that said, the word Republican has become a synonym for evil.

      • avatar isa says:

        He ran in 1968, and I do not know the details of his campaign, but his citizenship issue as well as that of McCain have been brought up in the news of late as a comparison to the Obama birther issue.  ie it seems no issue for McCain and Romney but big problem for Obama.  As a side note, Romney’s grandparents fled the US because they were polygamous Mormons.  What do you think would have happened if Obama’s grandparents had been polygamous?  Amusing…and sad…

  14. avatar Baby Snooks says:

    He had no choice.  Welcome to the world of Roger Stone. More to follow. 

  15. avatar Paul Smith says:

    Its the week of intolerence of fake Gucci bags, fake birth certificates, and fake excitement over Katey Middleton.  A week of distraction from our fake recovery. And something to chew on while we forget the gangsters of the financial crises still roaming free. I’ll take the Donald.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Paul…you’ll take Donald?    Cool. 

      I hope you have no sons or daughters in the military or children who are of age to serve and be drafted.   Because in Donald World we will be waging even more endless wars, while we “take” oil from the mideast, and “control” China. 

      I do agree however, that the whole royal wedding “frenzy” is totally fake.  Over here, anyway.   Over there?  Eh, history and tourism.  Mine is not to reason why.  But I won’t curtsy, don’t ask me.

  16. avatar macwoof woof says:

    totally agree with you and most of the posters on this one mr. wow. absurd that Obama has to stoop to the idiocy of the bigots. How many times has Trump declared bankruptcy? now that man had issues. whoooooo.

  17. avatar BeanCounter says:

    Some people actually believed the BS that Trump was spewing.   I think it was a wise move.  You see it as a pissing contest.   Obama sees it as a resolution to what should have been a small problem and became something much more in the eyes of the voters he was trying to court.  I know there are people who think, “It’s only a birth certificate!  I had to provide much more in order to just get a job here in the US with my employer!!!  What does he have to hide?????”.

    So yeah….people don’t see this as a big deal, except that Obama wouldn’t pony up the goods.  Now he has satisfied many people.  It was a good move on his part.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Bean…he has satisfied no real Birther.  Anybody who ever questioned Obama’s legitmacy is still questioning it.  The latest from Trump is “now let’s see his school records.” 

      And of course, all who hate and fear Obama are simply sayng his long form birth certificate is a forgery.

      It was a bad move on his part.

    • avatar Jon T says:

      I do like how people say, “I had to provide more information to get my own job!”. Well, no, you didn’t. People make it sound as if Obama had steadfastly refused to show his birth certificate to anyone from the beginning and was still somehow able to get the nomination. He provided all the requisite information to the people who needed to see it. Otherwise he’d still be working in Chicago, Hillary would have gotten the Dem nomination and possibly the presidency, and we never would have heard of Sarah Palin.

      Actually, maybe he should have refused from the beginning. ;-)

  18. avatar Miss Lee says:

    The President may or may not have made a mistake, time will tell.  I am a middle of the political spectrum, midwesterner.  I personally don’t know anyone who is a birther or thinks they are rational and I know quite a few conservative Republicans who really don’t like Mr. Obama’s policies.  In my view, Mr. Obama took the last semi-rational argument away from the birthers.  There is a real deal, birth-certificate on the web for all to see with attending doctor’s signature and all.  The conspiracy nuts will never be satisfied but Mr. Obama wasn’t talking to them.  He was talking the the vast majority of Americans who now will dismiss all doubts and see those who still hold onto the issue as irrational nuts.  As for Mr. Trump, what he showed to us here in the midwest was a huge arrogant a$$hole.  With his, not good enough to go to college argument, he clearly showed how grasping he is.  WE REALLY don’t like arrogance and grasping, especially from rich New York types.  Now we shall see if the non-nuts Republicans will distance themselves from the nuts.  If they don’t, they will have lost the independent voters and that is where the game is, not with the die hards of either the left or the right.  That’s how this thing is playing out in here the fly over zone.

    • avatar Baby Snooks says:

      What Trump is really saying is that he resents that the children of friends of his who couldn’t get into Harvard, white friends of course, because of “minority education policies”  which of course in Trump’s mind unfairly gives advantage to minorities. In reality they merely are given a chance to compete by ensuring a certain number of minoroties are admitted.  They still have the same SAT scores and the same GPAs the colleges and  universities and they still have to go through the same interview process as everyone else. No one is admitted to any college or university solely on the basis of their race or ethnic background. But many white applicants are rejected because they are not as smart as the minority applicants. And yet their parents scream “reverse racism.”  As do all the other racists in this country who do not believe any minorities ahould have any opportunity to fairly compete with whites.  Why, read your Bible. Read the Curse of Ham.  That’s the way they think. Not that they can think. But they don’t need to. Their minister thinks for them.

      And if you think I’m impolite just wait until Roger Stone gets going with his campaign for Donald Trump. You haven’t seen impolite. But I suspect you will.  

  19. avatar Helen Moran says:

    Mr Wow I loved the President’s remarks to Donald Trump. And after the next election [trust me the Trump name will not be in the running] The Donald will be bragging about the President’s put down. Seth Meyers was terrific. And after the news tonight, about Bin Laden who will even remember Trump? Trust me I’ve spent a lot of time in Atlantic City and Trump is not a favorite person with the casino workers, The man has to enter a room sideways to get his head through the door. So big and so full of crap. The dinner was a success, I laughed my butt off. I am voting for him again.