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Politics | 05/06/2009 9:50 am

Arnold Schwarzenegger Eyes Pot Legalization Debate

California governor says it’s time to reexamine marijuana laws.
By The Staff at wowOwow.com
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Outgoing California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger stepped into controversial territory yesterday when he said that he would be open to a debate on the legalization of marijuana.

The lawmaker was responding to a question about whether pot should be equated with alcohol. Said Schwarzenegger, who has admitted to smoking pot in the past:
No, I don’t think it’s time for that, but I think it’s time for a debate. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs, what effect it had on those countries, and are they happy with that decision.
California Assemblyman Tom Ammiano recently introduced a bill that would legalize marijuana for people over 21, a move that he and others say will help clear the state’s massive budget deficit. Reuters points out that proponents also argue that the legalization would help focus law-enforcement efforts on violent crime.

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Chrome Toe
Geez… ya THINK? it’s about time for cryin out loud…
By Chrome Toe on 05/06/2009 10:21 am
deber B

Most nations have rejected drug legalization. As drug use levels in the United States have dropped in recent years, particularly marijuana use among young people, rates in European nations with less restrictive drugs laws have increased. Some European drug prevention experts, such as David Raynes (National Drug Prevention Alliance in Great Britain ) reject legalization after seeing the impact it has had on the Netherlands. “No country alone, (as the Dutch have found to their cost) can operate a policy which is substantially more liberal than neighbours, without suffering from “drug tourism” or, as in the Dutch situation, a larger pool of drugs-linked criminality than it would otherwise have.there is the big lie that legalising drugs will take the criminality out of supply. What nonsense. Illegal traders who pay no taxes of any sort can always undercut legitimate traders.”

The Dutch experience : After allowing marijuana to be sold in certain cafes, the Government of the Netherlands reconsidered its legalization policy. Consumption of marijuana had nearly tripled from 15 to 44% among 18-20 year olds. Despite the Dutch Government’s policy to provide “medical” marijuana to patients through pharmacies, many individuals have chosen to obtain their marijuana through cafes. Part of the problem with the Dutch policy is that the price of pharmaceutical grade marijuana is prohibitive. According to Bas Kuik, spokesman for the Bureau of Medical Cannabis, another possible problem with the policy is that the pharmaceutical marijuana is made to be infused and drunk like tea or inhaled in a steam treatment, not for smoking. “Maybe that is a disappointment for people expecting to smoke but of course the Ministry of Health cannot encourage smoking.” (“Dutch Prefer Cannabis Cafes to Pharmacies.” Deutsche Welle. 7 February 2005.)

After years of support for cannabis cafes, the Dutch Government is having second thoughts. The number of Dutch marijuana coffeehouses dropped from 1179 in 1997 to 782 in 2002—decreasing 34% in five years. And 73% of Dutch towns do not allow cannabis cafes.

The Government of the Netherlands is rethinking its position on cannabis cafes, and is limiting the growth of this program. READ MORE  

Mayor of Maastricht Pushes Cannabis Cafes to Edge of City: According to a New York Times article (August 20, 2006), “The mayor (of Maastricht) wants to move most of the city’s 16 licensed cannabis clubs to the edge of town, preferably close to the border” (with Belgium and Germany). Mayor Gerd Leers is reacting to growing concerns among residents who “complain of traffic problems, petty crime, loitering and public urination. There have been shootings between Balkan gangs. Maastricht’s small police force…is already spending one-third of its time on drug-related problems.” Cannabis clubs have drawn “pushers of hard drugs from Amsterdam, who often harass people on the streets.” According to a police spokesman, the clubs have also attracted people looking to buy marijuana in quantity. Piet Tans, the police spokesman also stated that “People who come from far away don’t just come for the five grams you can buy legally over the counter…They think pounds and kilos; they go to the dealers who operate in the shadows.”

In an interview with Radio Netherlands in the spring of 2005, Dutch Minister Han Hoogervorst said that “doctors and not very positive about prescribing cannabis to patients and patients prefer to buy marijuana from coffee shops where it is a lot cheaper.” In another interview with expatica news service Hoogervorst also “stressed that the medicinal properties of cannabis have never been proven. He also said that the use of cannabis also has had side effect such as psychoses. “I think that’s an enormous problem,” the Minister said.” (from expatica news, March 18, 2005).


The Swiss Experiment: Tolerant drug policies in Switzerland have resulted in an influx of drug users. In 1987, the Swiss Government permitted drug use and sales in a part of Zurich called Platzspitz, or “Needle Park.” By 1992, over 20,000 drug users congregated in the park, and the surrounding areas were overrun with crime. The park has been shut down and the experiment has been terminated.

The Canadian Experiment: The aggressive decriminalization effort in Canada has resulted in the highest levels of pot use in 25 years. The Canadian Government released a report indicating that marijuana usage had increased to the same levels as the late 1970’s. Kids were getting mixed messages about the dangers of marijuana during the 1990’s when the decriminalization discussion was going on. According to the November 24, 2004 Canada Addiction Survey, marijuana use among Canadians has doubled since 1994. A decade earlier, 7.4% of respondents indicated they had used marijuana; usage levels are currently 14%. The study also indicates that there has been an increase in the number of Canadians using an injectable drug: the number rose from 132,000 in 1994 to 269,000 in 2004.

In Ireland, the number of children treated for mental disorders caused by smoking cannabis has quadrupled since the government downgraded the legal status of the drug, according to an article in the Sunday Times (September 18, 2005). Addaction, an Irish drug charity, told the Times that “three months after police stopped arresting anyone found in possession of small amounts of the drug, the overall number of users treated for such conditions rose 42%.”

In 2006, voters in three states strongly rejected efforts to legalize marijuana: Colorado, Nevada and South Dakota.

http://www.justthinktwice.com/factfiction/LegalizationWorks.cfm


By deber B on 05/06/2009 10:22 am
Marjorie C.

deber

All I can say is that California must be in more trouble than we ever thought.  Alcohol is tough enough to keep away from kids, can you imagine when a 21-year old can supply the neighborhood kids, introducing them to the wonders of smoking at 9 and 10 years old.   

 

By Marjorie C. on 05/06/2009 12:11 pm
deber B
Any chance we can make California a country?
By deber B on 05/06/2009 10:23 am
Grande Camper
Hahahahaha!!!!  That one I like :-)
By Grande Camper on 05/06/2009 10:47 am
C Hardy

Ok I am on the fence on this one.  First let me say that I have never smoked pot…yes I am one in a million that has never tried it.  Been around it, got 2nd hand smoke from it but never did it myself. 

If you make this legal, what drug would be next?  Yes it would free up some cops from busting this drug but this drug isnt one you really need to worry about, its all the others.  So not sure how making it legal would cut down on drug enforcement. 

Now I do agree it should be easier to get for those who need it for medical reasons.   

By C Hardy on 05/06/2009 10:33 am
deber B

C Hardy, if you read the above article it tells you in no uncertain terms how legalizing drugs escalated the usage.   Of particular interest to me was the increase in drug usage among young children.   Let’s face it.   It just won’t work.  

California?   I’m not surprised.

By deber B on 05/06/2009 10:37 am
Amanda C
If you make this legal, what drug would be next?  Yes it would free up some cops from busting this drug but this drug isnt one you really need to worry about, its all the others.  So not sure how making it legal would cut down on drug enforcement. 

the simple fact is that you can legalize one drug, and not even consider the others. they are completely different substances - alcohol is in a category all its own with wine, liquor and spirits. cigarettes are its own category and has its own laws. marijuana would be exactly the same - just because you legalize pot does NOT mean under any stretch of the imagination that you must start legalizing and debating other illegal substances.

mairjuana is the united states #1 cash crop! over 100 million Americans admit to having tried it, and 14.5 million say they have used it in the past month. a study released in December 2006 found that marijuana is now the leading cash crop in the U.S., exceeding the value of corn and wheat combined. that’s a lot of users, that is a lot of "crime" the police have to try and deal with. cops have to worry about trafficking the drug, who is growing it, who is selling it, who is smoking it… money and time are spent watching non-violent pot smokers when they could be focusing on murders, rapes, bernie madoffs!

for example: Since 1992, approximately six million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges, a greater number than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming combined.  Annual marijuana arrests have more than doubled in that time.

According to the US Justice Department, between 1990 and 2000:

"Overall, the percentage of violent Federal inmates declined from 17% to 10%. While the number of offenders in each major offense category increased, the number incarcerated for a drug offense accounted for the largest percentage of the total growth (59%), followed by public-order offenders (32%)."

add in the amount of money it takes from OUR TAXES to keep the biggest prison population in the world running (we have more people in jail than any other country), and you have your answer on how legalization would reduce crime, taxes spent, and violent crime:Since the enactment of mandatory minimum sentencing for drug users, the Federal Bureau of Prisons budget has increased by 1,954%. Its budget has jumped from $220 million in 1986 to $4.3 billion in 2001. check out the "criminals" we are paying for to be imprisoned for smoking / growing marijuana:   http://www.mpp.org/victims/arguments for taxing / regulating marijuana: http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/download-materials/TandRARGUMENTS092008.pdfmarijuana prohibition facts: http://www.mpp.org/assets/pdfs/download-materials/MJ_ProhibFacts_0109.pdf
By Amanda C on 05/07/2009 3:04 pm
DeBúrca obj
All I know is that pot needs to be legalized for medicinal purposes. It is deplorable that the suffering of so many people could be alleviated if only we would grow up and put politics aside on this issue.
By DeBúrca obj on 05/06/2009 10:36 am
Lucinda Herbert
I agree with you DeB.  It is a real shame that those, who suffer pain or ailments that could be alleviated with a little pot, are treated like criminals.   
By Lucinda Herbert on 05/06/2009 11:27 am
deber B

http://www.medicalmarijuanaofamerica.com/

Here’s a link to sign up for medical marijuana….what were you referring to?

By deber B on 05/06/2009 11:44 am
canuck canuck
Well surprise surprise! I agree with you DeBurca! I think it should be made available to anyone suffering from medical conditions! I do not think that legalizing it for others is a good idea though. We have enough problems with alcohol dependancy issues.
By canuck canuck on 05/06/2009 10:45 am
f p
Good it’s about time that silly law was revoked.
By f p on 05/06/2009 10:47 am
nanchan u

By legalizing pot, Schwarzenegger may well pull California out of the recession.  Marijuana is the number one cash crop in the state.

By nanchan u on 05/06/2009 10:50 am
deber B
Honestly, I wouldn’t live in California if someone gave me a house to live in!  
By deber B on 05/06/2009 2:06 pm