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Politics | 04/30/2009 9:15 am

Is Condoleezza Rice Like Nixon? Says Presidential Authorization Overrides Torture Rules (Video)

Former secretary of state says presidential authorization nulls convention against torture.
By The Staff at wowOwow.com
© AP

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice echoed Richard Nixon this week when she told a Stanford student that presidential authorization essentially transcends existing laws.

Asked whether waterboarding is torture, Rice replied, "The United States was told, we were told, nothing that violates our obligations under the Convention Against Torture, and so by definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Convention Against Torture."

Many readers will recall that Nixon had a similar response when asked about Watergate, and told the reporter David Frost, "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

Rice also insisted that she did not authorize waterboarding: "I didn’t authorize anything. I conveyed the authorization of the administration to the agency, that they had policy authorization, subject to the Justice Department’s clearance. That’s what I did." A 2002 report, however, says Rice asked the CIA to pursue the interrogation method, which has been described as torture.

Watch, via The Huffington Post:

200 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Jennifer Dooley
How many ways to spin a subject! Torture is torture and The idea  "of any means justifies the end result"…Is just plain wrong.
By Jennifer Dooley on 04/30/2009 9:30 am
Kelly In Texas

Well Jennifer….as waterboarding was redefined with strict guidelines, it was not the waterboarding of the past. If our SEALS cam endure it as mandatory during their training the I believe that 3 terrorist can…and did…they walked away unharmed.

Beyond that Great Britian is far more harsh in their techniques the SAS is  a most feared force and one only needs to ask the IRA about their techniques.

According to ex CIA Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch and FBI, Roger Mueller, waterboarding save American lives. That is why Obama has not said that it didn’t. If the memos are released, it will proved otherwise. Obama wanted sentiment behind his move before the facts were released. Manipulation.

What you had better be more concerned about is the mindset of a President that in an extreme case of danger, such as 9/11, would not use Interrogation Techniques that his own military goes through.

Be freakin deal…20-40 seconds…medical personnel in attendance to insure that no severe harn, either mentally or physically was inflicted. Oh my…poor little murdering terrorist…..no spin here…they walk away without being maimed, or severely harmed. FACT.

The information gathered, saved innocent American citizens lives. FACT.

3 terrorist that did not respond to the other techniques…finally did. FACT.

By Kelly In Texas on 04/30/2009 9:10 pm
Amanda C

kelly, i can’t believe you believe yourself.

it’s really disappointing as an american.

By Amanda C on 05/01/2009 4:24 pm
Kelly In Texas

Well you need to get out more often then Lemon Tea…there are many Americans that view the special circumstances of war time does require an Interrogation Technique that will save lives.

I suggest that you read the post by Deber…and take a look at the opinions of Michael Hayden, Porter Goss, George Tenet, John Deutch and Robert Mueller. Real Americans with real facts. I didn’t invent this…

By Kelly In Texas on 05/01/2009 4:54 pm
Amanda C

if americans are going downhill like this, i don’t want to go out more often.

america is going downhill, fast.

By Amanda C on 05/02/2009 1:43 pm
Kelly In Texas
That is the general concensus Lemon Tea…but this administration will be over soon!
By Kelly In Texas on 05/03/2009 9:40 am
Jennifer Dooley
Great thing is your free to believe as you do and I get to believe as I do. I Stand for  Peace and Nothing more, nothing less. May Peace be with you, Jen
By Jennifer Dooley on 05/02/2009 1:17 pm
Kelly In Texas

Thank you Jen. I do want to clear up one thing here; I am a person of peace. I do not support killing of the innocent, abortion or otherwise.

However, even in nature, there are times when survival does not look much like "peace". Survival is an innate and God given right. When Thousands of American lives are in the balance, Enhanced Interrogation Techniques serve a real purpose. Not only do they protect and preserve the life of the subject, but they use that very innate desire to survive by which to save other lives.

I stand for peace through common sense.

By Kelly In Texas on 05/03/2009 9:23 am
Jennifer Dooley

Kelly,

Have you read Common Sense? I wish everyone would.  thousands of lives across the Globe are in peril every  moment. I Imagine a World where all people have Risen to soar above the sod of transient things. That WE Are the Change we wish to see. Peace be with you, Jen.
By Jennifer Dooley on 05/04/2009 6:47 am
Kelly In Texas
No Jennifer, I have not. When I get time, I will do just that. Have you read "Fractal Time" by Gregg Braden? I think that you may like it…very interesting.
By Kelly In Texas on 05/04/2009 12:37 pm
Jennifer Dooley
BRaden is a very interesting Being. The Gospel Of Thomas seems to run through out this latetest book. Have a most Blessed day.
By Jennifer Dooley on 05/05/2009 9:07 am
Mary Quite-Contrary
One of the “plots” that was discovered, via waterbaording Sheikh Mohammed was the plan to take down, via explosive charges, the Brooklyn Bridge. Why is the saving of American lives, secondary to the imaginery “rights” of self proclaimed Jihadists?
By Mary Quite-Contrary on 04/30/2009 9:35 am
deber B

Mary, it is my opinion that liberals will not be willing to discuss terrorist threats until another one occurs.   Interrogation methods to prevent further attacks are useful and necessary.   Once we eliminate them, we literally "invite" a repeat of 9/11 with "no questions asked." 

 

By deber B on 04/30/2009 9:49 am
Diana T

Torture is not a "liberal" or a "conservative" issue. 

It deals with the rule of law, and a lot of those laws that are relavent to what the Bush White HOuse did were addressed in the early 1900’s.

By Diana T on 04/30/2009 9:51 am
deber B
Abstract:

"Presidents from George Washington to George W. Bush have used executive orders as prerogative powers of the presidency. John Locke, many of whose theories were influential with the Framers of the Constitution, wrote in the Second Treatise that in emergency situations when the legislative branch was unable to act, the executive could suspend ordinary governing arrangements to deal with the emergency. According to Locke, the executive was only justified in doing this when he had the consent of the citizens and when he was acting in their best interests. Locke’s notion of the prerogative power has been used to justify modern use of prerogative powers by presidents, particularly during wars. Among the most important prerogatives of modern presidents is the executive order, a formal tool to manage the executive branch. When presidents use executive orders as a prerogative during wartime, they are rarely challenged by the public, Congress or the courts. For a president to legitimately and constitutionally use this power, he or she must base his or her action on the commander-in-chief powers in the Constitution or a relevant federal law. This paper examines the modern use of executive orders as a prerogative power in wartime. Using case-study analysis, this paper will examine the following executive orders: Franklin D. Roosevelt’s order interning Japanese Americans during World War II; Harry S. Truman’s order seizing the nation’s steel mills during the Korean War; George H.W. Bush’s order freezing Iraqi and Kuwaiti assets during the Persian Gulf Conflict of 1990-1991; and George W. Bush’s military orders allowing those defined as enemy combatants to be tried by military tribunals following the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. A model of theoretical and constitutional acceptability is devised to classify these orders and determine the implications for executive power and constitutional democracy. The theory of this paper is that presidents must consider both the theoretical limits set by Locke in the Second Treatise, as well as the constitutional limits of the American political system, when using executive orders during wartime. The executive order is not an unlimited prerogative power and the analysis in this paper will seek to highlight some needed limits on presidential prerogatives."

http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/4/2/0/0/p42003_index.html

I agree that it is not a liberal or conservative issue.   Until this case study has been completed, it clearly falls under a presiding president’s authority to do so.

By deber B on 04/30/2009 10:40 am