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Question of the Day | 06/09/2009 12:00 am

Expense abuses have run amok in British Parliament. Is the corruption of power inevitably a human condition?

There’s a bit of trouble brewing across the pond. Join Julia Reed, Jane Wagner, Candice Bergen and Joan Ganz Cooney and weigh in on wOw with your thoughts …
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 06/08/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Ganz Cooney: Not Since Spiro Agnew

We haven’t had the kind of scandal that Britain is having in the modern era and I’m not sure we have ever had one that is so widespread as the one in England. Therefore, I can’t conclude that corruption among politicians is somehow inevitable. I think probably the abuse of power is very widespread among politicians and maybe among most who acquire a lot of power. However, the kind of corruption to do with money that we see in other countries is not as usual here. I don’t recall a really bad money scandal at the federal level since Spiro Agnew got caught taking bribes.
Julia Reed

Julia Reed | 06/08/2009 11:00 pm

Julia Reed: What Happened to Good Old-Fashioned Sex Scandals?

Yes, of course, it’s the human condition. Almost everyone I’ve ever known who had an expense account has abused it in at least some tiny way. And then you throw in the ego and entitlement and sense of being above the law that has afflicted politicians almost since time began, and … whew. Like Joan, I well remember the travails of Spiro Agnew (I had a watch with his face on it and the slogan "Spiro Is My Hero," which suddenly became a far more valuable piece of memorabilia), but my Lord, a whole lot more has happened since then.

Let’s see: Abscam, the Keating 5, the House Post Office scandal, Jack Abramoff, Rep. Jim Wright’s book deal, Sen. Ted Stevens’s house renovations, Rep. Randy Cunningham’s Rolls Royce – and that is just what I am sure is but a very few off the top of my head. The trial of my own former congressman, Bill Jefferson, who was caught by the FBI with $90,000 hidden in his freezer, begins today. And then there’s all the trouble you get into with so-called "soft money" and the byzantine campaign finance rules, whether it is the appearance of impropriety by "selling" nights in the Lincoln Bedroom or Al Gore’s making fund-raising pitches from the veep’s office.

All this grubbing for money is so tawdry that it makes me long for good old-fashioned sex scandals. I loved it when the aging Wilbur Mills was caught cavorting in the tidal basin with the "Argentine Firecracker," the stripper Fanne Fox. His priceless response when asked if he’d learned anything: "Yes, never drink champagne with foreigners."

Jane Wagner

Jane Wagner | 06/09/2009 3:45 pm

Jane Wagner and the Gekko 'Greed Is Good' Gene

Alas, the human condition is in the condition it is in mainly because of the corruption of power. Sadly, it seems we humans are genetically encoded with the “Greed is Good” Gekko gene.

Just think what we could be if we had the drive to attain power, not for selfish reasons, but for all the good we could do with it.

Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 06/09/2009 11:00 pm

Candice Bergen on Power and Its Abuse

Power and its abuse are buddies. Nature of us as beasts.

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canuck canuck

As the worm turns in Britian and California = so it begins across America! 

 http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6854393

By canuck canuck on 06/09/2009 12:47 am
Marjorie C.

canuck:  As the worm turns in Britian and California = so it begins across America! 

Perfect !!

By Marjorie C. on 06/09/2009 6:08 am
Marjorie C.
I might add that Massachusetts is getting mighty sick of our one-party state, too.  Democrats are turning against one another in disgust, and it’s about time.  I’m not saying that the Dems hold the corner on corruption, but when there is no opportunity for checks and balances, it is too easy to get away with mischief.  And, yes I do believe that corruption of power is part of the human condition.  Altruism might be a word only found in the dictionary.  
By Marjorie C. on 06/09/2009 6:20 am
Mary Quite-Contrary

Marjorie…did you read of the ‘mutiny’ in NY State last night???  Internet access and lights (yes lights!!!) were turned off!

The worm is turning…

By Mary Quite-Contrary on 06/09/2009 11:40 am
f p
Invariably.
By f p on 06/09/2009 6:12 am
laureen f
When spending someone elses’ money…the power it gives can be intoxicating…Even watching someone spend all that money can be intoxicating ie: Obama has now been raised from ‘leg tingler’ to a ‘God’ by some of the media.
By laureen f on 06/09/2009 6:38 am
deber B
Politicians, for the most part, have always been long on egos and short on human issues.  They would rather have a passed policy attached to their names to enhance their biographies.    As Britain rebels America will rebel.   Spending our country into a bottomless pit needs to be challenged now.   Our current administration has now found themselves between a rock and a hard place with nowhere to go.   The report card is finally here and many do not like the grades.   Since we actually do not have the extra stimulus money to pour into our economy we go to the printing room and make it so.   And why?   No jobs and an economy that was always strong at its core is, once again, rebounding on its own through the natural spending of the American people.
By deber B on 06/09/2009 6:50 am
deber B

This can easily happen to our United States:

LONDON - It would be a bitter fate for a former wunderkind who ceded the top job to the Tony Blair for a decade: British Prime Minister Gordon Brown could be forced out just short of two years into the job he has long coveted, felled by the toxic combination of a scandal over lawmakers’ expenses, an economy in decline and a resurgent Conservative opposition.

By deber B on 06/09/2009 6:54 am
deber B

The power of the people:

"Gordon Brown isn’t dead in the water but there are people thinking about firing at his ship," said John Curtice, a politics professor at Glasgow’s Strathclyde University.

"The party is in real electoral trouble with an unpopular leader about whom there are doubts about his ability to do the job," he added."

By deber B on 06/09/2009 6:57 am
S G
Gordon Brown is history.
By S G on 06/09/2009 7:01 am
CYNTHIA NEIL
It is only by the grace of "the people" that politicians rule.  The problem, in both Britain and America, is that we have lost our will to govern.   Our government, as with Britain is our responsibility and we have (as a group) abdicated that responsiblity.    No one, I don’t care how much you like the job they do, should be in the elected part of our government more tha 10 years.   There should be no pension benefits to speak of for legislators and people should be paying attention to the amount of lobbyists money their individual representatives are vacuuming up.   but it is up to the people to make those decisions individually and we are not doing it.   As Britain is reaping the consequences of their apathy, so will we.
By CYNTHIA NEIL on 06/09/2009 7:20 am
canuck canuck

The biggest problem here in America is that we do not hold them accountable for anything. We keep electing the Barney Fwanks and McCains and Kennedy’s and Pelosis back in because we think they should know what they are doing and blindly trust them not to screw us. Justice is the only thing that is supposed to be blind - instead it has been ‘we the people’. Only in America would we elect a community organizer with zero experience to the most powerful office in the world just because he can repeat the words of others in a nice way. It has never been straight honest talk. Just words. The delivery of the words became more important to some than the substance behind them and look where we are now. We NEED to demand term limits and only pay pensions out to those officials who are elected by us and serve the terms out.  Instead we make it a never ending money grab from our pockets into theirs - and we say nothing.

When are we going to start standing up and shouting from the hills that we have had enough of the old time politics? I truly hope we come out in massive numbers on July 4 to start sending our message loud and clear. We need to do this before it is too late and if they don’t start ‘hearing’ what we are saying then we need to repeat it in the next elections.

 

By canuck canuck on 06/09/2009 1:44 pm
Lila Kuh
I don’t think the corruption of power is inevitable, but the temptations are certainly huge.  And our modern-day sense of entitlement does not help.
By Lila Kuh on 06/09/2009 7:30 am
Chrome Toe
Yep. it’s inevitable. I think…. that as power grows so grows entitlement. It is a very very sneaky disease entitlement. right up there with alcoholism. I think there are varying degrees of it and it manifests itself in many many ways. whether it’s a president feeling entitled to a BJ from an intern after a hard day at work or an Alaskan Senator feeling entitled to home remodel on the states expense. it comes in all kinds of forms. political power especially grows into varying forms of "above the rest of you" type of entitlement. No one is immune. They may not end up doing illegal stuff. but they WILL cross the lines of ethical. I was about to say "every last one of them". but as goes the world so goes politics and i’m guessing that just like every other bell curve there is going to be the ones on one side who don’t do it. the majority who push all kinds of boundaries. and then the ones who are flat out corrupt.
By Chrome Toe on 06/09/2009 8:09 am
Barbara B
Some of these politicians ease their concience by giving some to charity which makes them look good while  the other hand is taking.  I agree completely with Chrome Toe on this subject and see no way of really stopping it.
By Barbara B on 06/09/2009 8:20 am