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Joan Ganz Cooney | 06/21/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Ganz Cooney on Taxing the Rich

Joan Ganz Cooney
We are in so much deficit trouble that I have to support higher taxes. Whether taxing health benefits is the best way to go, I don’t know. It worries me because it will hit so many people who are barely making it now, but sacrifice is going to be demanded of a lot of middle-income people unless we decide to go bankrupt. Just taxing the rich would not yield enough money to begin closing the deficit.

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Kelly In Texas

Of course taxes are going up. There is no other way and Obama knows damn good and well that he intends to raise taxes on MANY things. He will rush this Nationalizes Health care through, without considering other plans.

Taxing the private insurance will not even pay for the 1st day of  coverage under the universal plan.

Only 33% of the American people approve of this health care plan. But, it is his way, or the highway. Believe that.

 Even at its best, the Obama plan will cost over 1.6 TRILLION and still leaves 37 million of the of 50 million uninsured. One third, still uninsured.

Employers will not be able to continue on the plans that they currently hold. 7 out of 10 will lose their job related health care plan, adding to the extra 120 Million that will also be forced from the private sector.

Just wait until his cap and trade fiasco goes through, you won’t even recognize your electric bill. Gas prices…those will go over $5 a gallon.

The American people haven’t seen anything yet…Obama is rolling over the will of the people and throught our wallets, without a pang of guilt.

It is what he had planned to do all along folks. Welcome to Obamaland, formerly known as the United States Of America.

The time to stand up and ask to be heard is now. His health plan represents 17% more of our economy added to the government control, that is what this is ALL ABOUT.

It is not about us, not our health, not our rights.

By Kelly In Texas on 06/22/2009 1:09 am
Karen R
Would you object to returning to the tax levels in place when Reagan was in office?
By Karen R on 06/22/2009 2:56 am
georgia g

I know they are throwing out this idea of returning to Reagan era tax levels for political reasons- to take the "Reagan tax cutting saved the economy" argument away from the opposition.  Ironically, the tax cuts did nothing but starve the federal budget and lead to massive deficits- an economy crisis that had to be cleaned up by Bush #1 with tax hikes- that made possible the economic boom during Clinton’s first term.  That this government wastes massive amounts of money- particularly on overpaying already wealthy Congressmen and their staffs in Washington to waste more taxpayer money given away locally for political support-is the great crime.  Every program needs to be audited for politically driven waste, and taxes fairly applied across the board to pay for current bills.  Bush II famously pushed massive deficits into the future for programs and policies to benefit those who will never face the bills.  This has to stop before any tax policy reform is possible.   

By georgia g on 06/22/2009 8:35 am
Kelly In Texas
Karen, I would support a flat tax across the board….the hidden taxes that every American will soon be faced with is going to devastate this country.
By Kelly In Texas on 06/22/2009 11:15 am
deber B

Well, I guess we need to examine why we are in deficit trouble.  In less than 100 days, President Obama spent $11 trillion dollars.   It was suppose to correct the recession and create jobs.   Unfortunately, no jobs and no money put into stimulating an already recovering recession.   Obama should cancel the remaining unspent stimulus and help the deficit issue.

Deficit?   You bet.   Address the medicare fraud and abuse and correct it now.    Think of the money the government will save the taxpayers.   Fix the broken socialist programs already in place before piling on a health care program that will cost trillions. 

Before this administration raises taxes they need to remember that Obama, during his campaign, said he would not raise taxes.   However, due to his aggressive "do it now and think later" practices, our ivy league president seems to be lacking the basics of economics.  

I am never opposed to raising taxes but in this case I believe this administration has no earthly idea what they are doing.   No plan in sight for anything they’ve proposed.   Obama’s ratings are steadily going down and if he raises taxes it will be the kiss of death to his excessive coverage in the media.    Will he risk lower popularity ratings?   We shall see.   After all, he is a perpetual compaigner with his eyes on 2012 instead of what is right for all Americans.

By deber B on 06/22/2009 7:12 am
Kelly In Texas

Deber, all true…all true.

However…the fix is in and in good on the media take over by Obama.

GE has made millions off of supporting Obama and stands to make BILLIONS off of the coming policies of cap and trade and health care. With them owning MSNBC and NBC, there will never be critical news on Obama there. Not only that, but they encourage coverage that attacks anyone that opposes his policies.

Add to that the Tom Brokaw debacle…just 12 days after inviewing Obama on D-Day..Obama appoints Brokaw to the "Fellowship Commity". Now Obama is getting prime time infomercials with complete control, and not allowing ANY opposing views or advertisements to air.

No, this President is breeching all protocol and taking advantage of the American people, the likes that has never been done before. He is a narcissistic that is trampling over everything that America stands for. He is a sham of an American and a Christian.

By Kelly In Texas on 06/22/2009 11:30 am
S G

I will tell you how we could get out of this easily. Stop the war on drugs it doesn’t work. Legalize pot and prostitution and tax it. Let the nonviolent drug related offenders out of jail and prison. Instead of buying into the spin of things the truth is we could educate people and have clinics to help addicts. Al Capone made tons of money and killed people  to sell  illegal booze. This is no different. If you think the war on anything works your wrong.

By S G on 06/22/2009 7:22 am
deber B

Legalize drugs?    Look to Europe to see what that has accomplished!   Socialist countries…the role model for President Obama’s vision for our beautiful country.

  • The Netherlands has led Europe in the liberalization of drug policy. “Coffee shops” began to emerge throughout the Netherlands in 1976, offering marijuana products for sale. Possession and sale of marijuana are not legal, but coffee shops are permitted to operate and sell marijuana under certain restrictions, including a limit of no more than 5 grams sold to a person at any one time, no alcohol or hard drugs, no minors, and no advertising. In the Netherlands, it is illegal to sell or possess marijuana products. So coffee shop operators must purchase their marijuana products from illegal drug trafficking organizations.

  • Apparently, there has been some public dissatisfaction with the government’s policy. Recently the Dutch government began considering scaling back the quantity of marijuana available in coffee shops from 5 to 3 grams.

  • Furthermore, drug abuse has increased in the Netherlands. From 1984 to 1996, marijuana use among 18-25 year olds in Holland increased twofold. Since legalization of marijuana, heroin addiction levels in Holland have tripled and perhaps even quadrupled by some estimates.

  • The increasing use of marijuana is responsible for more than increased crime. It has widespread social implications as well. The head of Holland’s best-known drug abuse rehabilitation center has described what the new drug culture has created: The strong form of marijuana that most of the young people smoke, he says, produces “a chronically passive individual—someone who is lazy, who doesn’t want to take initiatives, doesn’t want to be active—the kid who’d prefer to lie in bed with a joint in the morning rather than getting up and doing something.”

  • Marijuana is not the only illegal drug to find a home in the Netherlands. The club drug commonly referred to as Ecstasy (3, 4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine or MDMA) also has strong roots in the Netherlands. The majority of the world’s Ecstasy is produced in clandestine laboratories in the Netherlands and, to a lesser extent, Belgium.

  • The growing Ecstasy problem in Europe, and the Netherlands’ pivotal role in Ecstasy production, has led the Dutch government to look once again to law enforcement. In May 2001, the government announced a “Five Year Offensive against the Production, Trade, and Consumption of Synthetic Drugs.” The offensive focuses on more cooperation among the enforcement agencies with the Unit Synthetic Drugs playing a pivotal role.

  • Recognizing that the government needs to take firm action to deal with the increasing levels of addiction, in April 2001, the Dutch government established the Penal Care Facility for Addicts. Like American Drug Treatment Courts, this facility is designed to detain and treat addicts (of any drug) who repeatedly commit crimes and have failed voluntary treatment facilities. Offenders may be held in this facility for up to two years, during which time they will go through a three-phase program. The first phase focuses on detoxification, while the second and third phases focus on training for social reintegration.

  • The United Kingdom has also experimented with the relaxation of drug laws. Until the mid-1960s, British physicians were allowed to prescribe heroin to certain classes of addicts. According to political scientist James Q. Wilson, “a youthful drug culture emerged with a demand for drugs far different from that of the older addicts.” Many addicts chose to boycott the program and continued to get their heroin from illicit drug distributors. The British Government’s experiment with controlled heroin distribution, says Wilson, resulted in, at a minimum, a 30-fold increase in the number of addicts in ten years.

  • Switzerland has some of the most liberal drug policies in Europe. In late 1980s, Zurich experimented with what became known as Needle Park, where addicts could openly purchase drugs and inject heroin without police intervention. Zurich became the hub for drug addicts across Europe, until the experiment was ended, and “Needle Park” was shut down.

  • Many proponents of drug legalization or decriminalization claim that drug use will be reduced if drugs were legalized. However, history has not shown this assertion to be true. According to an October 2000 CNN report, marijuana, the illegal drug most often decriminalized, is “continuing to spread in the European Union, with one in five people across the 15-state bloc having tried it at least once.”

  • It’s not just marijuana use that is increasing in Europe. According to the 2001 Annual Report on the State of the Drugs Problem in the European Union, there is a Europe-wide increase in cocaine use. The report also cites a new trend of mixing “base/crack” cocaine with tobacco in a joint at nightspots. With the increase in use, Europe is also seeing an increase in the number of drug users seeking treatment for cocaine use.

  • Drug policy also has an impact on general crime. In a 2001 study, the British Home Office found violent crime and property crime increased in the late 1990s in every wealthy country except the United States.

  • Not all of Europe has been swept up in the trend to liberalize drug laws. Sweden, Finland, and Greece have the strictest policies against drugs in Europe. Sweden’s zero-tolerance policy is widely supported within the country and among the various political parties. Drug use is relatively low in the Scandinavian countries.

  • In April 1994, a number of European cities signed a resolution titled “European Cities Against Drugs,” commonly known as the Stockholm resolution. It states: “The demands to legalize illicit drugs should be seen against the background of current problems, which have led to a feeling of helplessness. For many, the only way to cope is to try to administer the current situation. But the answer does not lie in making harmful drugs more accessible, cheaper, and socially acceptable. Attempts to do this have not proved successful. By making them legal, society will signal that it has resigned to the acceptance of drug abuse. The signatories to this resolution therefore want to make their position clear by rejecting the proposals to legalize illicit drugs. ”

  • http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/demand/speakout/09so.htm

  • By deber B on 06/22/2009 9:38 am
    S G
    Sorry deber I don’t buy into the propaganda of the scare tactics. It is a shell game to put attentions elsewhere and nothing more.
    By S G on 06/22/2009 9:41 am
    deber B

    Funny you should say that because President Obama has been doing nothing else but using "scare tactics" and you bought into that.

     When considering something new,  you would think one would  look to other models already in place when they are doing studies on if a system will work.   Those models are in Europe….nationalized health care, legalized drugs, etc.    They are failing in socialist countries and we need to find out why they are failing before we compound our already grossly abused socialist programs already in place.

    Instead of just throwing up their hands and stating, "We’ll get the rich pay for it" perhaps they need to actually "do a study."

    By deber B on 06/22/2009 10:10 am
    Kelly In Texas

    Once again, Deber does an outstanding job of gathering facts and presenting them in a most acurate manner. And what is your reply?

    Nothing to debunk her information, no facts to help others understand another view…just that the FACTS are "propaganda and scare tactics?"

    Really? That’s it? I sure wish that more posters here would put the time into backing their opinions so that others may benefit from the information to be shared….just like Deber does.

    How about the developing minds that are harmed by the drugs and pot use? What of that? Forget the damn money thing, but just stop to think of how many brilliant minds we may be losing in this process…the facts are that they are damaged, they are altered.

    And they are supposed to be our future.

    By Kelly In Texas on 06/22/2009 11:39 am
    deber B

    Thanks very much, Kelly.   All they hang their hats on is "let the rich pay for it."    There is absolutely not one guarantee that adding Obama’s Health Care Reform will reduce our medical costs.   Everything the democrats have submitted  are speculative and that’s the way medicare and welfare started out.  

    The real issue here is that we seem to have a president who dislikes America.   In order to have a completely government controlled country you first have to break the country down to the ground.   I rest my point. 

    By deber B on 06/22/2009 12:56 pm
    Kelly In Texas

    Deber…the class and race baiting has been so rampant that people are just accepting these things out of hatred and igorance.

    The facts are that there IS NO MONEY for this plan. Taxing the rich will just hurt the POOR as employers drop coverage and withhold deserved raises. The facts are that by taxing the existing plans, the 1st day of coverage will not even be paid for in Obama’s plan.

    This all sounds good to the self proclaimed "have-nots"…until they lose their jobs, or don’t get that much deserved raise. Then while they sit in long lines, hoping that they are "acceptable" to receive the proceedure that they need, they will realize what they have done.

    Only 33% of Americans approve of this plan. Time to go back to the drawing board and get more input. But that’s not really what Obama is after is it? No…he is only interested in getting quick control of yet more of our economy for the government, a huge hunk at that…17% more.

    "Nineteenth-century French economist and statesman Frederic Bastiat famously wrote in his essay "What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen" that "a law produces not only one effect, but a series of effects. Of these effects, the first alone is immediate; it appears simultaneously with its cause; it is seen. The other effects emerge only subsequently; they are not seen; we are fortunate if we foresee them."

    That is the problem with Obama…too many have not "forseen" what he really intends…the effects will bury us after the fact, and he is counting on that.

    I hate to say this, I hoped that it was not so…as did many, many, Americans. But we have elected the Trojan Horse Obama into office and he has opened up the disguise and is letting lose the dogs on America.

    This man is set on destroying America and making her come to its knees in front of the world. What greater triumph for the biggest narcissist that has ever held the office? And HIS government will control ALL of the money and POWER. His government and a few select others….

    Time to face it America….this is worse than could ever have been imagined. That is why it could ever have happened in the first place…it was too radical to be considered a fact.

    By Kelly In Texas on 06/22/2009 1:24 pm
    Connie Godin
    I agree with you SG. Why is it health care is the only thing this country can’t afford? I’m sick of lilylivered Democrats and in the pocket of Insurance Republicans.
    By Connie Godin on 06/22/2009 9:25 pm
    caj p
    Whatever it takes to get health care coverage for all, if it means taxing those are the big money earners then so be it.   They have had a good time for the last 8 years under Bush getting fantastic tax breaks now it’s time to pay the piper and give some back to the middle class who have been and still are struggling to afford health care.  They had no qualms over getting these tax breaks so they shouldn’t mind paying a bit more now if needs be.
    By caj p on 06/22/2009 8:35 am