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Politics | 05/13/2009 11:05 am

Joe Scarborough: Cheney Right, Obama Makes Country 'Less Safe'

Joe Scarborough sides with Dick Cheney in the torture debates.
By The Staff at wowOwow.com

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, a former Republican representative, made it quite clear he agrees with Dick Cheney’s assessment of President Obama: The new administration’s policies, like taking a stand against torture, endanger the nation. Said Scarborough this morning: "I knew by the second day that America was less safe … If you believe, like I believe and 50% of Americans believe, that this program actually made America safer." Mika Brzezinski points out that many people believe harsh interrogation methods make the country less safe.

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MelBerg
Who then was the master mind puppeteer that made Bush and Cheney decisions??
By MelBerg on 05/13/2009 6:21 pm
deberB

The official job for that would be the Joint Chiefs of Staff.   At the beginning of the Iraq war it was Rumsfield was fired and replaced by Gates.

These are the guys who advise the President on how, what and when and what to say about it.

By deberB on 05/13/2009 6:53 pm
SherryHubbell

I’m sorry, but where are you getting your "intelligence information?"  Are you privy to high-level, eyes-only, top-secret codeword intelligence that 99% of Americans are NOT?  If you are just another average citizen, then please stop tellling people with differing views that they’re wrong.  The fact is they may not know the absolute truth - but neither do you.

Your argument that Bush is somehow to be credited because we haven’t been attacked since 9/11 is specious, at best.  It’s a non-issue.  You cannot prove a negative, but you probably know this.  The Bush administration never detailed exactly what or how many terrorist actions they supposedly thwarted.  You also know how easy it is to get into this country, whether it’s over a porous border or on a container ship.  It doesn’t stinking matter who’s in the White House:  if terrorists want to get to us again, they will.  It’s juvenile and delusional to believe that any official or any entity is going to "keep us safe" from everything.

I would also like to say that it has been well-documented by the military and federal government that information obtained through torture is notoriously unreliable.  We’ve known this for a very long time.  Most prisoners-of-war will say anything they think their captors want to hear when being tortured.  There’s also those pesky little things called the Geneva Conventions to worry about.  Every member of the military takes an oath to abide by those articles, so how we can turn around and then engage in the very things we promised not to do … I don’t know.  There isn’t one word in the Uniform Code of Military Justice that compels military personnel to carry out an illegal order.  And torture should be considered an immoral - and illegal - act.  I would also like to remind you of this:  if the Bush Administration truly believed that torture (by any name) was justified and legal, why then did they practice "rendition" of enemy combatants?  In other words, if these actions were okie-dokie fine, why not practice them on U.S. SOIL?  Why send these people to foreign countries for "enhanced interrogations?"

President Obama is hardly a "puppet."  I’m sure he consults with a lot of people before making important decisions - as any good president would.  I think it’s an admirable quality to listen to others and change course if you think it’s the correct thing to do.

I say all these things as a U.S. Marine Corps veteran who worked in the Signals Intelligence field, someone who lost a couple of friends in the Oklahoma City bombing, and as a citizen who loves this country just as much as those who literally wrap themselves in the flag do (see your avatar.)

P.S.- stop calling people "my dear."  It’s disrespectful, condescending, and insulting.  But I’m sure you know that, too.

 

By SherryHubbell on 05/13/2009 11:04 pm
countrywoman

Hello Sherry Hubbell

I appreciate your post, and thank you for your service.  Re your p.s. ("disrespectful, condescending, and insulting") well, you are new here.  You will get used to it after awhile……anonymity just seems to bring out the worst in some. 

By countrywoman on 05/14/2009 1:15 am
SherryHubbell

Thank you, countrywoman!

Yup, I am new here - and have already gotten into it with someone.  Maybe even more than one person, I’m not sure.  Amazing.  *LOL*  I wish we could all get along all the time, but that doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

 Best wishes to you …

By SherryHubbell on 05/14/2009 6:33 am
MelBerg
Sherry, I want to also "thank you" for the post and also your service to our country. It is nice to see a post that is informative and truthful.
By MelBerg on 05/14/2009 11:10 am
SherryHubbell

Thanks, Mel!

 I like your avatar - it’s a beautiful picture.

~ Sherry

By SherryHubbell on 05/14/2009 11:28 pm
KathleenOliver
Welcome, Sherry Hubbell!
Thank you so much for this exceedingly valuable contribution to the discussion.  I am perpetually bewildered that certain persons can repeatedly speak of torture AS IF it were effective in some sort of reliable way (sans évidence) and (even worse) AS IF it mattered even if it were in some particle true.
If international conventions on warfare are not worth having, then why don’t these people give us their critiques of such conventions?  Where are these critiques to be found?

I am curious how you would respond to a persistent question of mine.  How can even a single-digit fraction of the population adopt Dick Cheney as some kind of an authority on torture and accept his views on the subject as some sort of gospel and think that John McCain is anything but an authority on the matter?
Isn’t this akin to (in desperation) putting Dick Cheney in charge of brain surgery while ignoring the fact that a board-certified surgeon is sitting in the chair next to you?
I just don’t get it.


[BTW, the avatar of your visage is stunning (quite mesmerizing, really): was the photograph taken professionally?  I hope to see it here often.]
By KathleenOliver on 05/14/2009 1:26 pm
SherryHubbell

Thank you, Kathleen, for your lovely message.  I really appreciate the thoughts, and am so flattered by your comments about my avatar!

I’d like to think about your question concerning Cheney and McCain for a day or so before I answer, if you don’t mind.  I’m peaking with a bad case of poison ivy (or poison something) right now and not feeling so great.  Besides, I want to give you the most thoughtful answer I can and that will take a bit of time.

 As for your nice comments about my avatar, you made me *LOL* with that!  Taken by a professional?  Uh, no-o-o-o …  I’m kind of photophobic (ask anyone who knows me), and other than official pictures taken when I was in the service - I’ve never had a photograph professional taken, not even graduation or wedding photos.  I’m a drafthorse of a woman, but I can do a horizontal leap to get out of the way of the lens side of a camera!  The picture I use as my avatar is just a "hold-the-camera-at-arms-length-in-front-of-face-and-push-the-button" self-portrait.  I thought it turned out okay, that’s all.  I played with the photo, turning it from color to b&w.

 I will definitely get back to you on that question, I promise.

Take care, Kathleen, and I look forward to ‘speaking’ with you again!

Regards, Sherry

By SherryHubbell on 05/14/2009 11:25 pm
KathleenOliver
Hi, Sherry.  Hope you’re feeling better.
I have asked my question in a bit more detail over here: [ http://www.wowowow.com/cl/297982 ].
The picture I use as my avatar is just a "hold-the-camera-at-arms-length-in-front-of-face-and-push-the-button" self-portrait.
I can only say: We should all be so fortunate!
Just OK, huh?  Glad you weren’t tempted to gild the lily.

By KathleenOliver on 05/15/2009 6:39 pm
Queenie

deber B—-Boy did you hit it on the head——He didn’t make that call on his own—he was "instructed" to make that announcement.  It’s Howdy Doody Time!

By Queenie on 05/13/2009 11:29 pm
DeBrcaobj

Just like every other president, Obama has advisors. Unlike Bush, he often listens to them. He actually changed his mind about the photos after discussing it.

I can’t take your spin on this administration anymore. It’s Orwellian. 

By DeBrcaobj on 05/14/2009 7:59 am
deberB
He changed his mind because his initial stand on it is directly impacted by his inexperience.    He keeps getting "corrected" along the way.
By deberB on 05/14/2009 8:39 am
DeBrcaobj
At least this president has the brains and the balls to change course when necessary.  But that sort of reasoning and reevaluation must be hard for the right wing to get their ‘minds’ around.
By DeBrcaobj on 05/14/2009 12:30 pm
deberB

He had no choice but to reverse this particular campaign promise.   It has absolutely nothing to do with "at least he has the brains to change course."  One of his generals told him "You cannot do that.   It will cause major problems here in the Middle East!"

You try so hard to make Barack Obama look like a genius.  I will give you an A for "unconditional love."

By deberB on 05/14/2009 1:39 pm