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The Lesley Stahl Interview | 06/23/2009 2:55 pm

The Lesley Stahl Interview: Christiane Amanpour, at the Height of the Iranian Election Crisis

Image courtesy of CNN
LESLEY: As a person, obviously, who’s carrying the banner for good, old-fashioned, hard-leather reporting, let me ask you about this New York Times reporter, David Rohde.

CHRISTIANE: Yes.

LESLEY: Rohde was held captive in Pakistan for seven months and not only did The New York Times, his home newspaper, never report it, The New York Times went out and persuaded virtually every single other news organization, including CNN, not to report it. This is astonishing in every way. What are your opinions on that? Should we have reported this, in your view?

CHRISTIANE: I would love to talk to David about this and see what he thought. I don’t know The New York Times’s reasoning on that and I don’t know what they know that we didn’t know, in terms of who they were dealing with.

LESLEY: Let me interrupt for one second. Because Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, said last night that David Rohde thanked him and he was grateful. So that’s what David Rohde thinks. But, of course, no one knew that. No one knew what he thought at the time.

CHRISTIANE: Well, I can only assume that The New York Times wasn’t doing anything nefarious and that they were doing what they thought they should do for his safety.

LESLEY: Right.

CHRISTIANE: There are many people who have said, certainly with the Taliban, the more the plight of a kidnappee was publicized, the longer that he would be kept and the more money would be asked for him. That, for sure, I’ve heard for businesspeople who’ve been kidnapped, and others in Afghanistan. I’m just delighted it seems that David escaped. I’m glad he was able to do that. Seven months is a heck of a long time. Remember, though, back in the ’80s when people like Terry Anderson were kept. I think he was kept for six years or so. But there’s a double-edged sword toward how to behave when one of your own is taken in. Some people think that excessive publicity harms them; others think that it shows those people that they’re holding somebody who they need to release; that it is a journalist, that it’s not a spy, that it’s not anybody else – it’s a journalist. It works different ways in different places.

LESLEY: Well, it was a toughie, but I’m with you. I’m just so glad that David Rohde is out and free, alive and healthy and all of that.

CHRISTIANE: If I’m kidnapped I want you, personally, to lead the charge and make sure people know about it.

LESLEY: You do? You would want –

CHRISTIANE: I do, actually. I do.

LESLEY: Well it’s a big debate here now and we’ll see where it leads. There are troubling aspects to it because you and I know that we’ve been trained that our first obligation is to the public, and we should report whatever we know. So when there are exceptions to that it needs to be explored and looked at and discussed, and I hope we do more of that.

CHRISTIANE: I think, in these instances, you also have to think about the security of the person involved, and I think there are many people who advise … and we don’t always get it right, but who knows? Look at poor Daniel Pearl – how much publicity was done. I’m not saying it would have worked a different way, but he was beheaded. You know, I don’t know what would’ve happened. On the other hand, Roxana Saberi’s case was heavily publicized and she was released because the president of the United States basically said that she was not a spy for the U.S., and the Iranian government, the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad – who’s now such a lightning rod – he’s the one who told the judiciary in so many words to basically get her out.

22 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Judy K.
With cell phones and e-mail and Twitter, et al, women are making themselves heard.  The old ways are being made public and men cant hide their controlling ways without the worlds judgment.  I always thought that womens input in political and formerly considered mens jobs would make men have to modernize and not just go with the old ways.  Todays global world is bringing all the dirty laundry to the forefront in any Country and thats a good thing.
By Judy K. on 06/23/2009 3:48 pm
Diana T
Christine Amanpour is one of the most dedicated and courageous female correspondents in the world.  And, one of the most reliable.
By Diana T on 06/23/2009 5:24 pm
WowedbywowOwow NYC
Kudos to Leslie on a great interview. Amanpour has guts and integrity.
By WowedbywowOwow NYC on 06/23/2009 5:55 pm
samanta gebremiceal
i loved it  amanpour is one person i belive has integrity and knows how to delv the news sad not many ppl left like that even in cnn the only one in her class is the host of gps on cnn/thx u..
By samanta gebremiceal on 06/23/2009 6:53 pm
Maggie W

Christiane and Lesley… two magificent women who tell it like it is.  A few weeks back, I watched Ann Curry in Iran. ( pre election).  Many things I found interesting.  First, so many of the youth not only spoke English but were fluent.  How so?  Yo develop fluency in any language calls for much dialogue. Also, it was so clear then, their voices  were filled with agitation and wanting to be heard…. and for good reason. 

The young woman who was so senselessly killed was taking singing lessons underground.  Women are not allowed to sing in public.  One young couple interviewed by Ann spoke of how they were not allowed to hold hands in public, yet as the cameras rolled, there were many young lovers seated in parks and just strollling.. hand in hand.

It was so obvious there was much discontent before the June 12 election.  The election was the vehicle needed to spark their outrage on many fronts.  The Iranian regime is nuts to try to kill their voices on Tweeter and Facebook.  They know how to get around it.  One British tech said, " One out  of 3 of the best techs in Silicone Valley is Iranian."

By Maggie W on 06/23/2009 6:58 pm
sibelle daubigne
Why would some posts be deleted for recognizing Fareed Zakaria as a strong and top international journalist in the US ? No, Lesley Stahl and Christianne Amanpour are NOT TOP international journalists. Amanpour for different reasons could’nt get Fareed Zakaria’s position on CNN. While i respect her very much, she is a bit "Passee".
By sibelle daubigne on 06/23/2009 7:03 pm
mary lou s
i respect and admire christiane amanpour, lesley stahl, and fareed zakaria. we need them all. i seek out their work, even to the extent of coming to wow to read it.
By mary lou s on 06/23/2009 7:45 pm
Patricia M
Same for me Mary Lou S, all are very intelligent, seasoned journalists, something ALOT of these WoW posters are not used to.  ;-)
By Patricia M on 06/23/2009 9:23 pm
Dawn Smith
I received this interview in 2 parts on my email. I commented on the first one I read and now that I’ve read it completely I have to say one thing. I truly appreciate a journalist who gives the facts and not their own interpretation. The news media is guilty of spin doctoring. Sway public opinion one way and then the other so that after awhile nobody cares anymore. It becomes too complicated to find the truth beneath the lies.  Americans are watching their country go through great turmoil right now. Recession, depression, people losing their jobs, their homes, their health. As much as I feel bad for other countries that have civil unrest I think we as Americans had better turn the mirror toward ourselves.We need to fix what’s wrong with us before we fix what we perceive is wrong with you.
By Dawn Smith on 06/23/2009 9:50 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe

Dawn:  Re: your last sentence: We have to do both. We are all in this together––even those tiny little islands that we forget are there and yet may have one of the thousands of bases we have situated all over the world. We are ONE as  the that song told us years ago.

Interesting interview. C A is one of the best and we are mighty lucky to have her. 

By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/24/2009 10:03 am
J Holmes
"…the more foreign news and the more understanding about our complicated world for Americans, the better." Definitely need to have on the ground reporting in other countries to better understand what is going on outside the U.S.
By J Holmes on 06/23/2009 10:34 pm
Michelle Mehlhorn

Christiane Amanpour is a such a remarkable, valuable and refreshing reporter.  The only disagreement I have with her is that there is, indeed, another place for in depth reporting on TV and that is The Newshour.  Every day they have balanced, in depth discussions.

Michelle Mehlhorn

By Michelle Mehlhorn on 06/23/2009 11:43 pm
Kristy B
I’ve always enjoyed Ms. Amanpour’s reports and documentaries.  She’s truly talented! 
By Kristy B on 06/24/2009 10:11 am
KatyDid Wells

I’ve always had deep respect for Christiane Amanpour.  If listening to or watching the news and I hear her name, I stop and listen/watch everytime.

I am firmly in the camp of wishing all journalists kept their opinions to themselves.  It’s called the "news", not the opinion hour - just tell me what I need to know so I can form my own opinion. 

This may sound cynical, but I think there are a great number of people who have stopped thinking for themselves, simply because there are so many people in the media willing to do it for them.

I’m not sure where and when it changed along the way, but I’m sorry to see it so. 

By KatyDid Wells on 06/24/2009 12:11 pm
Maurine H
I found this interview very moving, especially since Christiane Amanpour was born in Iran and is obviously deeply concerned about the future of her native country. But it is her clear insistence on speaking to the facts and not allowing biased interpretation of events to cloud her reporting that impresses me most. She is correct in criticizing the sort of reporting we see so frequently on TV now, interpretive and politically biased. This reporting seeks only to skew the facts rather than simply presenting them to the public. Amanpour has always been successful in divorcing her own opinions from her reporting assignments, and this is the reason I have respected her for years. She is a strong, intelligent, courageous reporter. She educates us. And, furthermore, she is a woman. We need more women like Christiane Amanpour covering world events.
By Maurine H on 06/24/2009 12:47 pm