The Lesley Stahl Interview | 06/23/2009 2:55 pm
The Lesley Stahl Interview: Christiane Amanpour, at the Height of the Iranian Election Crisis

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LESLEY: As a person, obviously, who’s carrying the banner for good, old-fashioned, hard-leather reporting, let me ask you about this New York Times reporter, David Rohde.
CHRISTIANE: Yes.
LESLEY: Rohde was held captive in Pakistan for seven months and not only did The New York Times, his home newspaper, never report it, The New York Times went out and persuaded virtually every single other news organization, including CNN, not to report it. This is astonishing in every way. What are your opinions on that? Should we have reported this, in your view?
CHRISTIANE: I would love to talk to David about this and see what he thought. I don’t know The New York Times’s reasoning on that and I don’t know what they know that we didn’t know, in terms of who they were dealing with.
LESLEY: Let me interrupt for one second. Because Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, said last night that David Rohde thanked him and he was grateful. So that’s what David Rohde thinks. But, of course, no one knew that. No one knew what he thought at the time.
CHRISTIANE: Well, I can only assume that The New York Times wasn’t doing anything nefarious and that they were doing what they thought they should do for his safety.
LESLEY: Right.
CHRISTIANE: There are many people who have said, certainly with the Taliban, the more the plight of a kidnappee was publicized, the longer that he would be kept and the more money would be asked for him. That, for sure, I’ve heard for businesspeople who’ve been kidnapped, and others in Afghanistan. I’m just delighted it seems that David escaped. I’m glad he was able to do that. Seven months is a heck of a long time. Remember, though, back in the ’80s when people like Terry Anderson were kept. I think he was kept for six years or so. But there’s a double-edged sword toward how to behave when one of your own is taken in. Some people think that excessive publicity harms them; others think that it shows those people that they’re holding somebody who they need to release; that it is a journalist, that it’s not a spy, that it’s not anybody else – it’s a journalist. It works different ways in different places.
LESLEY: Well, it was a toughie, but I’m with you. I’m just so glad that David Rohde is out and free, alive and healthy and all of that.
CHRISTIANE: If I’m kidnapped I want you, personally, to lead the charge and make sure people know about it.
LESLEY: You do? You would want –
CHRISTIANE: I do, actually. I do.
LESLEY: Well it’s a big debate here now and we’ll see where it leads. There are troubling aspects to it because you and I know that we’ve been trained that our first obligation is to the public, and we should report whatever we know. So when there are exceptions to that it needs to be explored and looked at and discussed, and I hope we do more of that.
CHRISTIANE: I think, in these instances, you also have to think about the security of the person involved, and I think there are many people who advise … and we don’t always get it right, but who knows? Look at poor Daniel Pearl – how much publicity was done. I’m not saying it would have worked a different way, but he was beheaded. You know, I don’t know what would’ve happened. On the other hand, Roxana Saberi’s case was heavily publicized and she was released because the president of the United States basically said that she was not a spy for the U.S., and the Iranian government, the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad – who’s now such a lightning rod – he’s the one who told the judiciary in so many words to basically get her out.
CHRISTIANE: Yes.
LESLEY: Rohde was held captive in Pakistan for seven months and not only did The New York Times, his home newspaper, never report it, The New York Times went out and persuaded virtually every single other news organization, including CNN, not to report it. This is astonishing in every way. What are your opinions on that? Should we have reported this, in your view?
CHRISTIANE: I would love to talk to David about this and see what he thought. I don’t know The New York Times’s reasoning on that and I don’t know what they know that we didn’t know, in terms of who they were dealing with.
LESLEY: Let me interrupt for one second. Because Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times, said last night that David Rohde thanked him and he was grateful. So that’s what David Rohde thinks. But, of course, no one knew that. No one knew what he thought at the time.
CHRISTIANE: Well, I can only assume that The New York Times wasn’t doing anything nefarious and that they were doing what they thought they should do for his safety.
LESLEY: Right.
CHRISTIANE: There are many people who have said, certainly with the Taliban, the more the plight of a kidnappee was publicized, the longer that he would be kept and the more money would be asked for him. That, for sure, I’ve heard for businesspeople who’ve been kidnapped, and others in Afghanistan. I’m just delighted it seems that David escaped. I’m glad he was able to do that. Seven months is a heck of a long time. Remember, though, back in the ’80s when people like Terry Anderson were kept. I think he was kept for six years or so. But there’s a double-edged sword toward how to behave when one of your own is taken in. Some people think that excessive publicity harms them; others think that it shows those people that they’re holding somebody who they need to release; that it is a journalist, that it’s not a spy, that it’s not anybody else – it’s a journalist. It works different ways in different places.
LESLEY: Well, it was a toughie, but I’m with you. I’m just so glad that David Rohde is out and free, alive and healthy and all of that.
CHRISTIANE: If I’m kidnapped I want you, personally, to lead the charge and make sure people know about it.
LESLEY: You do? You would want –
CHRISTIANE: I do, actually. I do.
LESLEY: Well it’s a big debate here now and we’ll see where it leads. There are troubling aspects to it because you and I know that we’ve been trained that our first obligation is to the public, and we should report whatever we know. So when there are exceptions to that it needs to be explored and looked at and discussed, and I hope we do more of that.
CHRISTIANE: I think, in these instances, you also have to think about the security of the person involved, and I think there are many people who advise … and we don’t always get it right, but who knows? Look at poor Daniel Pearl – how much publicity was done. I’m not saying it would have worked a different way, but he was beheaded. You know, I don’t know what would’ve happened. On the other hand, Roxana Saberi’s case was heavily publicized and she was released because the president of the United States basically said that she was not a spy for the U.S., and the Iranian government, the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad – who’s now such a lightning rod – he’s the one who told the judiciary in so many words to basically get her out.
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Christiane and Lesley… two magificent women who tell it like it is. A few weeks back, I watched Ann Curry in Iran. ( pre election). Many things I found interesting. First, so many of the youth not only spoke English but were fluent. How so? Yo develop fluency in any language calls for much dialogue. Also, it was so clear then, their voices were filled with agitation and wanting to be heard…. and for good reason.
The young woman who was so senselessly killed was taking singing lessons underground. Women are not allowed to sing in public. One young couple interviewed by Ann spoke of how they were not allowed to hold hands in public, yet as the cameras rolled, there were many young lovers seated in parks and just strollling.. hand in hand.
It was so obvious there was much discontent before the June 12 election. The election was the vehicle needed to spark their outrage on many fronts. The Iranian regime is nuts to try to kill their voices on Tweeter and Facebook. They know how to get around it. One British tech said, " One out of 3 of the best techs in Silicone Valley is Iranian."
Dawn: Re: your last sentence: We have to do both. We are all in this together––even those tiny little islands that we forget are there and yet may have one of the thousands of bases we have situated all over the world. We are ONE as the that song told us years ago.
Interesting interview. C A is one of the best and we are mighty lucky to have her.
Christiane Amanpour is a such a remarkable, valuable and refreshing reporter. The only disagreement I have with her is that there is, indeed, another place for in depth reporting on TV and that is The Newshour. Every day they have balanced, in depth discussions.
Michelle Mehlhorn
I’ve always had deep respect for Christiane Amanpour. If listening to or watching the news and I hear her name, I stop and listen/watch everytime.
I am firmly in the camp of wishing all journalists kept their opinions to themselves. It’s called the "news", not the opinion hour - just tell me what I need to know so I can form my own opinion.
This may sound cynical, but I think there are a great number of people who have stopped thinking for themselves, simply because there are so many people in the media willing to do it for them.
I’m not sure where and when it changed along the way, but I’m sorry to see it so.