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Maureen Dowd's Accidental Plagiarism? | 05/18/2009 10:05 am

Maureen Dowd Confronts, Corrects Plagiarizing Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall

The respected New York Times journalist Maureen Dowd’s Sunday column ran a line nearly identical to what the popular editor John Marshall wrote on Thursday
By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Coincidence or plagiarism? The New York Times’s Maureen Dowd claims a controversial line from her Sunday column was borrowed from a friend, but Dowd didn’t know the friend read them on the website Talking Points Memo.

Dowd was criticized on the word mirroring by two bloggers (thejoshuablog) and then the Huffington Post, and later responded to allegations in an email to the Huffington Post, according to Marcus Baram. In that email, the veteran journalist explains how the "lifted" line in her Sunday column about torture and Iraq was the same as Josh Marshall’s TPM blog — but insists she wasn’t intentionally plagiarizing.

josh is right. I didn’t read his blog last week, and didn’t have any idea he had made that point until you informed me just now.

i was talking to a friend of mine Friday about what I was writing who suggested I make this point, expressing it in a cogent — and I assumed spontaneous — way and I wanted to weave the idea into my column.

but, clearly, my friend must have read josh marshall without mentioning that to me.
we’re fixing it on the web, to give josh credit, and will include a note, as well as a formal correction tomorrow.

Dowd’s online column originally read like this:

More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when the Bush crowd was looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.


Here’s Talking Points Memo’s editor John Marshall on Thursday:

More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when we were looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.

 

Tell us: What are your thoughts about Maureen Dowd’s and John Marshall’s nearly identical lines? Coincidence? Mistake? Unconscious blunder?

21 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Marjorie C.
When the lifted line is that exact, it is plagiarism.  Stand Maureen in the corner next to Nancy.
By Marjorie C. on 05/18/2009 10:47 am
Green Tears
Exactly!
By Green Tears on 05/18/2009 11:51 am
Patricia Sprofera
Yes, yes.
By Patricia Sprofera on 05/18/2009 3:51 pm
Lucinda Herbert

Because writers/journalists, spend a great deal of time reading other people’s work and conversing with many, who have read and spoken with others, and also have an opinion, I think this not an unusual occurence.  The lines become fuzzy while they are trying to craft an article and meet a deadline. 

Maureen Orth is an original and independent thinker, and most certainly not someone, who would consciously and intentionally plagiarize.  She did the right think by explaining to her friend, Josh Marshall, what happened and posting a correction.

This not an incident we need to dwell upon any longer.  

By Lucinda Herbert on 05/18/2009 11:17 am
Marjorie C.

Lucinda:  …spend a great deal of time reading other people’s work

If the paragraph had not been mostly word for word, I would accept your opinion.  It is not unusual for two people to have the same idea at the same time…  like folks thinks alike…  but….

By Marjorie C. on 05/18/2009 1:19 pm
Lucinda Herbert

Marjorie,

See above where she writes "josh is right. I didn’t read his blog last week, and didn’t have any idea he had made that point until you informed me just now."   What I got from it was that MD was discussing her column with her unidentified friend and her friend, who had read Josh’s piece, asked her to be sure to make this specific point — and while she worked on it aloud with her friend, I suspect the friend edited/dictated the  sentence and used the same words she had just read.  Maureen Dowd added "but, clearly, my friend must have read josh marshall without mentioning that to me." 

Know that I am not a Maureen Dowd apologist; sometimes I agree with her and other times I don’t care for what she’s written.  I do, however, believe her story because she is truly not one who needs to nor would intentionally plagiarize.

She has spoken with Josh Marshall and made the correction, and that’s good enough for me.

By Lucinda Herbert on 05/18/2009 1:40 pm
Deena B.

You may be right but, really, what else could she say at this point?  It is so clearly not a coincidence that two writers would express the same thought almost word for word.  If, in the original article, she had said "I was talking with a friend and he/she said….." it would be more believable.  Also, it seems difficult to believe that this friend would not have made a point to let her know he/she was quoting someone else.

On the other hand, I do concede that she has been doing this for a long time and should not need to resort to plagiarism.  It is baffling.   

By Deena B. on 05/19/2009 7:52 am
Lucinda Herbert

Deena,

You might find this article by the rigorous Jack Shafer of Slate to be interesting.

http://www.slate.com/id/2218602/

By Lucinda Herbert on 05/20/2009 7:34 am
Deena B.
Thanks, Lucinda.  He does make good points and seems to be unbiased in presenting them.  I do wish the unidentified friend would step forward.  I guess we will just have to see how this all plays out. 
By Deena B. on 05/20/2009 8:07 am
Lucinda Herbert
I think it will soon be just a memory! :-)
By Lucinda Herbert on 05/20/2009 9:36 am
James the Game

It’s plagiarism, plain and simple. As someone who’s written for newspaper/magazines/radio for years, I can tell you that’s a fireable offense.

By James the Game on 05/18/2009 11:25 am
Maggie W
This is not typical behavior from Dowd.  She has a long list of admirers for her wit, vocabulary /sentence control, and independent thought.  She is giving Josh credit, so that should be the end of any controversy.
By Maggie W on 05/18/2009 11:30 am
BigSteve remarkable
Maureen could have been less obtuse and this would never have happened.  She should have said, "The Bushit fascists lied to us repeatedly.  We need to prosecute them now and let them spend the rest of their lives at Guantanmo.)
By BigSteve remarkable on 05/18/2009 11:52 am
David M. Flowers
I don’t believe Maureen Dowd would intentionally plagiarize anyone - she’s a bright woman, with a fine mind - she doesn’t have to.     
By David M. Flowers on 05/18/2009 12:03 pm
rocky rocky
Practically a paragraph, word for word. Always thought that she’s too original and too smart (and too smart alecky) for this kind of mistake in judgment. One that inevitably will cause her readers to question how much of what she has ever written is unattributed quotes from friends and acquaintances. Too bad. 
By rocky rocky on 05/18/2009 1:14 pm