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Nancy Pelosi on Torture | 04/23/2009 9:10 am

Nancy Pelosi Now Says Maybe 'Truth Commission' for Torture Crafters Is OK

By The Staff at wowOwow.com
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It seems like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now thinks a "truth commission" may be needed to probe the torture allegations of the Bush administration.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-VT, brought up this idea months ago, and few had the political stomach for it then — not even Democrats. Now, it seems, with all the focus on the recently released CIA interrogation memos and calls for prosecution, Pelosi seems more amendable to the whole idea. President Obama has left the door open to possibly prosecute the Bush administration lawyers who drafted the policies — including the use of waterboarding on the most dangerous terror suspects in custody, especially Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. But even Obama’s national intelligence director, Dennis Blair, said "high-value information" came from the interrogations.

"It gives further impetus among members to have some kind of truth commission as to what happened," said Pelosi, who is also in a bit of a mess over what she knew about wiretaps on Rep. Jane Harman, D-CA. "I do not think immunity should be granted to everyone in a blanket way." She said the advantage to such a truth commission would be that "it removes all doubt about how we protect the American people is in a values-based way."

Many say the whole thing smacks of hypocrisy. After all, Pelosi was one of a handful of Democrats privy to interrogation techniques back in 2002, and virtually no concerns were raised then. In fact, it was Democrats that controlled the Senate Intelligence Committee back in 2002 when all this was going on.

"Republicans also are being hypocritical — Dick Armitage? Really? You’re offended in 2009? Where was he in 2002? … Just like Nancy Pelosi. It’s the hypocrisy," MSNBC host Joe Scarborough said Thursday morning. "Who the hell is crazy about having to figure out what Al-Qaeda is, where Al-Qaeda is?"

Armitage was second in command at the State Department under Colin Powell during the Bush administration. He told Al Jazeera English last week that had he known then what he knows now, he would have likely resigned.

"Isn’t it amazing that in 2002 when we were in danger, people were willing to look the other way on both sides?" Scarborough continued.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-MO, said the fault should lie with the lawyers who drafted the language allowing such techniques, but wouldn’t necessarily go to bat for Pelosi.

"We don’t know which members said ‘does this go far enough?’ I’m not here to defend Nancy Pelosi but the people in the room said ‘the lawyers have said this is perfectly legal,’" McCaskill said on MSNBC Thursday morning, referring to that meeting some lawmakers had with CIA officials to discuss interrogation techniques in 2002. "I think giving these lawyers a pass is a big problem," since it’s their job to interpret the law, not to give somebody "the political answer you want," McCaskill added.

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Mary Quite-Contrary
Yet another torture thread? Today’s new suggestion, a Truth Commission? With, no doubt, a truth Czar? Are they really trying to dismantle our intelligence community? Too much political posturing is being made here…American operatives are being placed in jeopardy, and ultimately our national security.
By Mary Quite-Contrary on 04/23/2009 9:30 am
nanchan u
Shivers up my spine, MQC.  That Truth Czar comment sounded just like something out of "1984" (that’s the book, not the year)!
By nanchan u on 04/23/2009 9:35 am
Deborah Kramer
Mary- You are so right!  I just can not believe all of this is happening, it is so dangerous for US, the American people!  Nancy Pelosi was attending on of the earlier meetings after 911 happened.  She said absolutely nothing about the torture techniques then and now she wants to take action!  They were speaking about this on Morning Joe this morning and there is a memo that proves she was in one of the meetings and did not oppose the then water boarding technique.  We are not even going to have a CIA or any security with the way things are going right now.  They can’t even decide if they want to pursue this or not, Obama needs to do the right thing for us the people and quit making Everything political.  We Need A Leader-Right Now!!  I love reading your posts, I always learn so much, thank you for that!
By Deborah Kramer on 04/23/2009 9:40 am
DeBúrca obj
Finally, perhaps the USA will get it’s soul back.
By DeBúrca obj on 04/23/2009 9:51 am
Lady Gator
Don’t think the American People ever lost their "souls".  I think they are intact in all of us.   However, it would be nice, if finally ,our Congressmen and Women would lose their cheating, thieving, lawyering hearts, perhaps, then they would find their souls!
By Lady Gator on 04/23/2009 12:41 pm
DeBúrca obj
The soul of the country was lost when we invaded a country that didn’t do anything to us, when we made torture an American policy, and when we became willing to give up our civil liberties to obtain the false feeling of ‘safety’.
By DeBúrca obj on 04/23/2009 4:16 pm
S G
I hope they prosecute these folks. That is the best way to redeem our position in the front of the world.Then I feel we will get back what our country lost:)
By S G on 04/23/2009 2:31 pm
Diamond In The Rough
With the ugly sanctimony of those who never had to make hard decisions, the American left demands show trials of those who kept us safe after 9/11, says Col. Ralph Peters.  Wrapping themselves in repugnant self-righteousness, the MoveOn.org set wants political prosecutions.  Should Obama acquiesce, he won’t be furthering the rule of law, but dismantling it.

Show trials have long been popular with leftists.  Those who don’t conform to each jot of doctrine become "enemies of the people."  From Stalin down to Putin, and from Mao to Castro, vengeance disguised as law has been a mega-hit.

Those on the left don’t want justice.  If they did, they’d be protesting the murderous torture prevalent in Iran, the Gaza Strip, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela and Russia.  Instead, our leftists want us to show the leaders of those terror states more respect.

The left is out for revenge.  It always is.  Hatred of those who think differently is the left’s unifying principle.  Leftists don’t need God, but they see devils everywhere.

When President-for-Life Hugo Chavez called President George W. Bush "el Diablo," our leftists agreed.  Hatred of the last administration grew so irrational that any terrorist, no matter how monstrous, became no more than a victim of Bush-Cheney.

Now the left wants an Inquisition for heretics who failed to share its worldview.  Men and women who, in their capacity as public servants, wrestled with difficult legal issues in the course of our battle with terrorists are now to be tried and shamed because the left disagreed with their legal opinions and actions.  No matter that most Americans wouldn’t view the methods of our interrogators as torture when applied to hardened terrorists (despite the media’s ceaseless effort to convince us otherwise).  No matter that foreign leaders championed by the left use vastly more brutal techniques.

No matter that interrogators differ on the utility of "harsh" methods or that the information gleaned indisputably saved American lives.  No matter that our system of government functioned as it was designed to.

The left just didn’t like the results the system produced.  Law has nothing to do with this cry for vengeance.  This is purely about political differences.  During the Bush administration, leftists warned repeatedly that actions they didn’t like put our country on a "slippery slope."  Well, once we initiate show trials of government officials who did their best to protect us, we’ll have skipped the slippery slope and leapt to the bottom.

If Obama agrees to any form of show trial, he and his own team will live to regret it.  His party won’t always be in power, and he’ll have set a hideous, un-American precedent.

If the Obama administration fails to keep us safe and our citizens are attacked at home or abroad, shall we then prosecute those who dismantled our safeguards and gutted our intelligence effort?

As countless leftists learned in the course of the 20th century, today’s witness for the prosecution is tomorrow’s enemy of the people.

The rule of law is paramount.  When we pervert the law for political ends, we attack our deepest foundations.  Where would such show trials stop?  Will we try Supreme Court justices for issuing legal opinions with which a future administration disagrees?

There are plenty of genuine crimes worth prosecuting in Washington, DC.  Corruption abounds.  Not a few members of Congress — from both parties — should be in jail.  But corruption isn’t taken seriously.  Politics are.

If the left gets its People’s Court to destroy the lives of patriots who did their human, imperfect best to defend us (and who succeeded in that effort for seven years), it will do more damage to the United States than all the dictators our president longs to embrace could do together.

The left has nothing against torture.  It just wants to choose the victims. (TOF)
By Diamond In The Rough on 04/23/2009 10:20 am
DeBúrca obj
The left and the center, and many on the right, are against torture. The only people who support such deplorable actions by our country are the criminals who implemented the policies, and the fringe right wing base that has no clue about what America stands for.
By DeBúrca obj on 04/23/2009 10:27 am
Mary Quite-Contrary
Diamond, a profound post. One of the very best I have ever read here (or elsewhere on the Web). Thank you.
By Mary Quite-Contrary on 04/23/2009 10:36 am
Lisa B

And I echo Mary’s comment - thank you…

By Lisa B on 04/23/2009 10:59 am
Rudi G.
Me too. Thanks for publishing right wing talking points here. A simple link to them would never do.
By Rudi G. on 04/23/2009 4:54 pm
nanchan u

DITR:  excellent post.  The last line "The left has nothing against torture.  It just wants to choose the victims."  is true for many issues, not just torture.  What has really hit me in the last couple of days, is the justification from the so-called liberals on this site wrt: profiling by the Homeland (in)Security yahoo, Ms. Napolitano.  They are totally for profiling vets for suspicion, as you know, as they consider vets a higher risk for extreme behavior.

It’s so selective, amazing really, how they can justify profiling, torture, wiretapping, etc when it applies to what they think they want. 

And as far as the term liberal goes, I think we need a new one.  Liberal implies that freedom is involved.  It is NOT.  I m not free to have an opinion, unless it is theirs.  I’m not free to vote unless it is for their candidate. Off the top of my head I can’t think of one, but am open to ideas….

 

By nanchan u on 04/23/2009 12:24 pm
Patty E
sooo…. are you saying that what you just wrote above, was NOT your choice of words?  I quote you:  "I’m not free to have an opinion, unless it is theirs"….that to me, it rather interesting…..unless I am sleeping at the moment—I would SWEAR that you just voiced your opinion!  Or was it someone elses’ that you are posting on all these threads of WOW….?  surely, you have exercised your freedom of speech and opinion……and gosh!  I haven’t even insulted you! I disagree with some of your rationales…but you still have the right to make them!  right?  You and your friends have actually taken over some of the boards of late!  so how is that taking AWAY your freedom of speech? 
By Patty E on 04/23/2009 12:59 pm
Mary Quite-Contrary
Nan, in his excellent book, Liberty and Tyranny, Mark Levine re-lables liberals as statists.
By Mary Quite-Contrary on 04/23/2009 1:08 pm