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Conversation | 08/24/2009 11:00 pm

Sarah Palin and the Celebrity of Politics

Joni Evans, Judith Martin, Liz Smith and Mary Wells talk about a new breed of celebrities, Palin’s political future and more in the wOw Conversation.
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LIZ: Do you know there’s no celebrity news to speak of? That’s why Michael Jackson’s death was such a big event while it lasted. The new celebrity is politics. Politics is all people really are talking about, in my opinion.

JUDITH: Ah, you’ve finally come around to the Washington point of view.

LIZ: Exactly.

MARY: Well, society’s disappeared …

LIZ: The new celebrities, the performing celebrities, are mostly people nobody over 40 ever heard of, and we haven’t gotten used to them yet. And none of them are great stars or great characters in the tradition of the MGM days.

MARY: No. They’re all gone.

JONI: Well, at least we have Sarah Palin. Will she be a politician one year from now?

LIZ: Well she won’t be an Alaskan anymore. That’s what I predict. I mean, I think she’s about to shake the ice off of her feet. I think she’ll still be a name, because for one thing she’s physically very pretty and attractive; and she’s either irritating to people or they’re slavishly addicted to her. So she’s got all of the ingredients necessary to become a fixture.

I think she's formidable. I think she has time now to educate herself, and I wouldn't rule her out on anything.

MARY: Also, the Democrats are being very smart about her. They are pushing her. They are driving her to the top of the charts. They are literally making her a much bigger star than she is, because they want her to stand for Republicanism, and they want everybody to associate her with Republicanism.

LIZ: Judith, what do you think?

JUDITH: A star, but not a star politician. She made a lot of enemies in her own party and I think Mary’s quite right. She’s the ideal opponent to run against because she is extremely accident-prone in the intellectual department.

MARY: She’s perfect.

JUDITH: But she’s made enormous enemies in her own party.

MARY: She could literally drown the Republican Party in the next 12 months, little by little.

JUDITH: It will be interesting to see if people take her up on her offer to campaign for them. I would think that they would run away.

LIZ: Well, she spoke at the Reagan Library recently. I think she’s just starting out.

JONI: I just wanted to say that I think everyone has underestimated what she’s going to be one year from now, and I think she’s formidable. I think she has time now to educate herself, and I wouldn’t rule her out on anything.

LIZ: We ruled Nixon out and that was a big mistake, because he appealed to that whole victimhood thing on people who feel they’re so badly used. That’s her theory. She is preaching the doctrine of cultural resentment. And these days lots of people suffer from that. They enjoy being victims.

MARY: I think there’s a crazy streak in her. And I think she’ll be forgiven anything because everybody likes the way it’s going.

LIZ: She’s fun. In a world without any big names anymore, except big political names, she’s getting bigger all the time.

MARY: And an awful lot of big-time people are crazy.

JONI: Now, with Walter Cronkite gone … I remember the way the media used to be. We’ll miss Walter Cronkite and his authoritative ways.

LIZ: He never made the kind of mistakes Alessandra Stanley made in The New York Timeswhen she wrote about him in her appreciation and made seven glaring errors. I think I would have been fired if that had been me writing that. And I was fired and I didn’t even write anything like that. You know, that comic guy, Bill Maher, said it best. He said, "People have forgotten that when Walter Cronkite was doing the news, the news was a loss leader in television." The news wasn’t expected to make any money. So if he wanted to really cover some story substantially he did, and he didn’t have producers screaming and saying, "Don’t do that. You’ve got to make money. You’ve got to put Farrah Fawcett-Majors on."

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starry Nite
You are a prime example of illogical debate.  You described yourself perfectly in the above commentary.
By starry Nite on 08/27/2009 5:39 pm
S.J. Morgan
By Adrienne Ross

On August 26, 1920, the 19th amendment to the United States Constitution, which grants women the right to vote, becomes law. Washington women had won the vote in 1910, after which Washington suffragists had helped with the national campaign to amend the constitution so that all American women could vote.

Eighty nine years after the 19th amendment, America is still engaging in conversations that seek to define who a feminist is and what she stands for. Without a doubt, Sarah Palin resurrected some of those conversations when she became the first woman to earn herself a place on a Republican ticket. Geraldine Ferraro had done the same for the Democratic ticket in 1984.

It is astounding that it took so long for both these accomplishments, and even more astounding that women are still in the position of defending their place within the political process. No one knows this more than Governor Sarah Palin. She has always acknowledged those women who have gone before her to pave the way for her and desires to be a source of inspiration for those girls who follow after her.

It is unfortunate that the governor has had to fight against the smears of both men and women, some of whom seem content with having a conservative woman exercise her right to vote, as long as she’s not the woman we actually vote for. Nonetheless, Sarah Palin rises above the small thinking of some who want to put "feminism" in a box. Many women have now broken out of the box and are grateful, not only for the privilege given in 1920 to walk into that voting box, but to see the name of another woman staring back at them when they get in there.

In the video below, Governor Sarah Palin discusses with Greta van Susteren her commitment to uniting women on issues of health care and equal opportunities if ever she chooses to run for higher office again.
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/08/19th-amendment-and-sarah-palin.html
By S.J. Morgan on 08/27/2009 3:55 pm
Doe Nichols

I believe instead of politians being "stars," they are more in the line of "cult of personality."  This is a theroy about politians and a great song by Living Colour.  Instead of the devotion to ideals, the devotion is to the person.  Plus the absolute love or hate of the politian, which we see currently.

And one slightly off topic queston, I am the only person offended by the "Chia Obama"?

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.                  Wikipedia
By Doe Nichols on 08/27/2009 5:24 pm
S.J. Morgan
I have alot of respect for Sarah Palin as a woman and defend her when I see hysteria or Palin derrangement syndrome….I do not "hero worship" but I do believe some of her detractors love to hate her. That I have a hard time understanding….  I dislike Obama’s policies and find it hard to trust him with his association ..but I do not feel any hate toward him as a person whatsoever.
By S.J. Morgan on 08/27/2009 8:52 pm
Doe Nichols
I was not aiming that comment at you SJ!  I wrote it after reading the article and before reading the comment.  I tend to not read the comments first as so many go off point.  If I offended you, I am sorry. 
By Doe Nichols on 08/27/2009 9:34 pm
S.J. Morgan
No offense taken Doe…..
By S.J. Morgan on 08/28/2009 10:07 am
macwoof woof
sorry jon, you have said nothing that hasn’t  been said before. stay and see where and how far..
By macwoof woof on 08/28/2009 12:47 am
MaryPage Drake

As a woman, I cringed when I heard Governor Palin exhibit a total lack of understanding of both the domestic and foreign policies of our country.  What she said, and what she failed to be able to say, allowed the more ignorant masses of men across our nation feel smugly superior to her and thus put her forward as their ideal in womanhood.  Yes, I cringed.

Oh, how I wish the mud-slinging and lies would stop being hurled by those who feel they must stand and yell at the top of their lungs.  This is, and has been throughout the history of mankind, a sign of desperation trying to drown out reason.  This desperation is almost always based on fear of having a belief-system eroded or destroyed by Truth, as we have seen over and over again.  Galileo proved we were not at the center of the universe, and that was unacceptable, albeit true.  Impossible that living things we could not even see could be responsible for disease, sickness and death!  We do not want to accept the new, the different, the unimaginable, or, worst of all, that which shows us to have been mistaken.

We need serious sweat exerted on rational debate and intelligent research as to how we can clean up the debris of the financial collapse caused by deregulation and unmitigated greed in our marketplace.  Those hurting most are those who were already working hard and living paycheck to paycheck.  Today they cannot comprehend what has happened to them;  especially as in most instances they were doing everything right. It is those they trusted to protect them from the wolves of Wall Street who failed them.  Regulation is a means of protecting our vast public from the voracious avarice of the much smaller numbers of wheelers and dealers.  The same ranchers who build and patrol fences to protect their herds of sheep show total disinterest in laws meant to protect their fellow human beings who are unfortunate enough to carry smaller balances in their bank accounts.  I simply cannot understand this distain for others.

All this useless, meaningless chatter about viewpoints and opinions is drowning out the really crucial things such as the future of the entire human race.  Global Warming is about to reach a point beyond which we representatives of the most "intelligent" animal on our small planet are going to be able to do anything except yearn for the opportunity to go back in time and change our habits and "opinions." 

If another species one day rises from the ashes of this sphere or visits from another place in our galaxy, they may well study our books and tapes and say of us in summary:  "they had a lot to say about nothing, while doing nothing about things of most importance to their very survival." 

 

 

 

 

By MaryPage Drake on 08/29/2009 8:03 am
L. C.

MaryPage Drake

Thank you, for your inspiring post. It was thought provoking and well thought out. Thank you, for  being one voice of reason.

By L. C. on 08/31/2009 7:45 pm
Star Lawrence
I heard someone say Sarah should not be a Republican but The Resistance. She sure can command attention. I don’t know if she will or should run for anything again—but I welcome her attempts to zing The Chosen One.
By Star Lawrence on 08/29/2009 12:13 pm
S.J. Morgan
Star Lawrence….just wanted to tell you…I LOVE YOUR POSTS!  Thanks for being here!
By S.J. Morgan on 08/30/2009 11:58 pm
canuck canuck

"Politics isn’t a game of competing interests and clashing parties. The people of America expect us to seek public office and to serve for the right reasons. And the right reason is to challenge the status quo and to serve the common good."

Sarah Palin

By canuck canuck on 08/31/2009 1:25 am
L. C.

It would be interesting to watch Hillary Clinton and sarah palin debating . Hillary Clinton would provide an opportunity for republicans and conservatives to see and hear what an intelligent, well read, educated, articulate and informed woman looks and sounds like. 

It would be priceless just to hear sarah palin repeat the Couric fiasco.

I could careless about sarah palin. I never respected her as a serious contender for office nor as someone intellectually qualified. Besides, whenever, I saw her she reminded me of some Saturday  Night Live skit and an insult to educated, well versed and articulate women attempting to make change. She has successfully suckered republicans and conservatives into assisting her in promoting herself for personal monetary gain. I’m not attacking the woman. This is simply a personal observation. 

By L. C. on 08/31/2009 7:07 am
Star Lawrence
Palin is probably out hauling in a net or taking care of her five children and her grandchild, or finding a way to annoy power (which is initself power), or reading the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, and local Alaska media (as she said after recovering from the condescension of being asked something so trivial), or trying to work with her PAC or her supporters on Team Sarah, or maybe all at once—while we are sitting here, some of us, saying "Sarah needs to educate herself about the world." Oh, please.
By Star Lawrence on 08/31/2009 9:38 am
S.J. Morgan

EXCLUSIVE: Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has chosen among offers from 20 agencies that wanted to represent her and signed with Washington Speakers Bureau, which represents everyone from George and Laura Bush to Bob Woodward and Katie Couric to Alan Greenspan, Colin Powell and Rudy Giuliani. More than 950 requests for speeches have poured in for Palin, and over 120 candidates for office have asked her to appear, including folks running for Senate, House and state legislature. She’ll be doing both paid speeches, which are expected to go for six figures apiece, and unpaid speeches for political and charitable causes, including Christian organizations, groups that support families with special-needs children, and military families. Palin has made no commitments so far, and Washington Speakers Bureau will start responding to the invitations this week. She’s about 85 percent finished with her book, due out this spring from HarperCollins, and then she’ll begin looking through the inch-and-a-half thick file her lawyer, Robert Barnett, has built of offers for network and cable pundit gigs, documentaries and business opportunities

http://www.politico.com/playbook/

By S.J. Morgan on 08/31/2009 10:01 am