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Nancy Pelosi on Torture | 04/27/2009 12:25 pm

What Did She Know About 'Torture'? Nancy Pelosi on the Defensive

By The Staff at wowOwow.com
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi appears to be on the defensive over what exactly she knew — and when she knew it — about the Bush administration’s "enhanced interrogation" techniques.

The California Democrat befuddled some reporters, Republicans and others last week when she gave what Politico says were some "convoluted answers" to reporters about the interrogations. Now Republicans have jumped at the chance to pummel Pelosi’s insistence that she didn’t know what was going on. CIA Chief Porter Goss said she must be suffering from "amnesia" — since he was with her in 2002 when they were briefed by the CIA on the techniques.

Goss wrote over the weekend:

I am slack-jawed to read that members claim to have not understood that the techniques on which they were briefed were to actually be employed; or that specific techniques such as ‘waterboarding’ were never mentioned. It must be hard for most Americans of common sense to imagine how a member of Congress can forget being told about the interrogations of Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed. In that case, though, perhaps it is not amnesia but political expedience.

A Pelosi adviser told Politico that the speaker knew the GOP was going to come after her, and that they likely will again once another batch of alleged torture photos comes out. No doubt that’s going to stir up yet another political mess about how the U.S. treated terror suspects.

The Washington Times reports today that Obama’s release of the CIA memos on interrogation techniques last week, and his recent acquiescence to a bipartisan review panel to look into those aspects of Bush’s presidency, has caused such a furor, even some congressional Democrats want it to just go away. Although, it seems Obama is backing off of that stance now, saying we need to insted look forward. And the newspaper agrees:

The politicization of policy differences has been a fact of life in Washington since the Watergate era, but in the past one could reasonably expect that such political warfare would end when a new administration commenced. Investigatory panels, such as the ‘Commission of Inquiry’ called for by Sen. Patrick Leahy, Vermont Democrat, would represent an unprecedented escalation of political warfare in the American system. Proponents of such tribunals exhibit a spirit of political retribution not seen since the end of the Civil War.

What do you think? Should we have a so-called "truth commission" to look into alleged Bush-era misdeeds, or should the country move on and focus on other things, like the economy?

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Roger from Ohio

It doesnt matter who was involved, there should be an independent investigation into the whole thing. Anyone that ordered illegal activity, anyone that approved of it, anyone that engaged in that activity should be punished.

As Shepard Smith said on Faux News…… WE ARE AMERICA…. WE DONT Fn TORTURE!!

Using the poor economy as an excuse to not investigate is weak…. the American Government is large enough to do both, fix the economy and investigate wrong doings.

After WWII Im sure the Germans wanted to "move on" They were able to, as well as the rest of the world, because of the Nuremberg Trials.

There were also the Japanese War Crime Trials The International Military Tribunal for the Far East which punished those that committed war crimes.

America should not be treated different. 

By Roger from Ohio on 04/27/2009 1:07 pm
DeBúrca obj

"What do you think? Should we have a so-called "truth commission" to look into alleged Bush-era misdeeds, or should the country move on and focus on other things, like the economy?"

It’s not either or. The Justice Department has a job to do, investigate. The Obama administration IS focussing on the economy and as a country we are capable of ‘walking and chewing gum’ at the same time!

The torture issue is an issue of the US deciding once and for all, if we are a Nation of laws or not. We can’t neglect this issue any more than we can neglect the economy. 

By DeBúrca obj on 04/27/2009 1:44 pm
Rudi G.
And investigations in the Senate are underway led by Sen. Feinstein and Sen. Levin.
By Rudi G. on 04/27/2009 2:12 pm
DeBúrca obj
What the Republican apologists do not seem to realize is that if there are no prosecutions, it doesn’t matter whether Obama puts an end to the torture or not, we could get another president in the future who will just reinstate it. And here’s a twist for them, imagine it was an ultra-Liberal nutjob President, who thinks the Right wing fringe is planning something and we need to torture the info out of them! They never consider that this sort of lawlessness could ever be directed against them! Then suddenly they’ll all be crying to the ACLU!
By DeBúrca obj on 04/27/2009 5:08 pm
Rudi G.

That is so true. And it is so typically short-sighted of them. All they care about it keeping Dear Leaders Bush and Cheney and their henchmen and henchwoman out of prison that they don’t care that, left unchecked, there is now a precedence for torture.

This must not stand.

By Rudi G. on 04/27/2009 6:42 pm
C Hardy

I think we are all kidding ourselves if anyone thinks Pelosi didnt know.  From reading over most of the posts I think we are all in agreement that whoever knew about it and signed off on it should be prosecuted. 

But its still "funny" to see both sides beat each other up over it when in the long run we want the same results. 

Would I rather see millions of dollars go into helping those Americans without insurance in case they get the swine flu, yes, instead of going towards this investigation. 

By C Hardy on 04/27/2009 1:59 pm
Roger from Ohio

Who is saying that Pelosi didnt know?

But its still "funny" to see both sides beat each other up over it when in the long run we want the same results.

This is not a 2 sided issue….. but if you want to make it one then answer me this….. if you think that Pelosi should be punished….. should Bush and Cheney? When I listen to the right, they dont want Bush and Cheney or anyone in their administration punished….. when they are asked they bring up democrats that signed off on torture, like they expect us to allow someone to be excused just because they have a D in front of their name……. both sides do NOT want the same thing.

Torture is wrong…. beating people to get info out of them is wrong… Ms Hardy…. you have said that your husband is a cop…. ask him why he doesnt beat a confession out of suspects of a crime….. then having that answer, why should the American government  be allowed to use those tactics?

By Roger from Ohio on 04/27/2009 2:09 pm
Kelly In Texas

Roger…time to move on. The waterboarding technique that was used on these 3 terrorist is not the same torture that was applied in WW 11. There were new guidelines in place to insure that no severe mental or physical harm was inflicted. That is the difference, as medical personel were in attendance to overesee  the technique.

It entails no beating, no maiming, no injury or harm. It is not torture as torture was defined at an earlier time.

I see nothing wrong with these techniques. Bugs, bid deal…think you’re going to drown…big deal.

By Kelly In Texas on 04/27/2009 2:38 pm
Roger from Ohio

Justify justify justify……

German doctors were the ones doing the torture…… no big deal?

Japanese soldiers  were tried and put to deal for waterboarding Americans….. no big deal?

It entails no beating, no maiming, no injury or harm. It is not torture as torture was defined at an earlier time.

If you believe that comment then you didnt read the "torture memos" you just heard the Faux News talking points. 

If these techniques are used against American troops in the future…. will that also be no big deal to you? 

By Roger from Ohio on 04/27/2009 2:44 pm
Kelly In Texas

Opinion, opinion, opinion….Roger…waterboarding as it was applied from 2002-2006 is not the same as what the Japanese did. Germany doctors have nothing to do with this, they did horrible things. We do not do either of the above.

The waterboarding was under strict time limits 20-40 seconds. They were done with a medical personnel in attendance. There was no severe mental or physical injury inflicted. I could care less if they "THOUGHT" they were going to drown. The are 6 yr olds that "THINK" the bugger man is still under their bed….both live to find out otherwise.

American troops are trained to take waterboarding…the fact remains that war is hell and if you think that the enemy plays "nice," and by the "rules", then you are in wonderland. 

By Kelly In Texas on 04/27/2009 5:28 pm
Rudi G.

Kelly, I noticed you’ve gone from completely and utterly denying that waterboarding is torture and dismissing the fact that it was done in World War II  to admitting both. Propbably your friends in the, um, right wing "anti-diversity" groups finally set you straight.

But you’re just flat wrong that the waterboarding techniques designed and approved by Bush/Cheney/Rice weren’t the same as the techniques used in WWII. It is also precisely the same technique that was used in the Spanish Inquisition.

Cheney personally ordered the torture of one suspect 18 times a day and 83 times in a month for another — and there are no reports that it was done with that intensity in the War, which makes the Bush torture techniques even worse that WWII.

The right wing’s excusing the evil done by their leaders in all our names  is exactly like the German citizens’ approving what the Nazis did in World War II. And it will end the same way, with the right wing being humiliated and shunned by regular, decent Americans.

By Rudi G. on 04/27/2009 3:30 pm
Kelly In Texas

Rudi…do you have eye problems? Just asking…I never denied that waterboarding was not done in WW11, my statement is that what was approved in 2002 had guidelines that differentiated it from the "torture" of WW11.

No Rudi it is NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WAS USED IN WW11 OR THE SPANISH INQUISITION. Once again…time limits were imposed, medical personnel in attendance was imposed. Severe mental or physical harm may not be inflicted. Not the same Rudi…not at all close it what the Japanese did.

Nazis…how predicatable…trot out the race card or Nazis every time!

If they can walk away from waterboarding with no injuries what so ever…it isn’t torture to me. I would do worse myself.

 

By Kelly In Texas on 04/27/2009 6:12 pm
Rudi G.
If the foo sh*ts…
By Rudi G. on 04/27/2009 6:44 pm
Roger from Ohio

ohhhhhh  I see

 They were coddled when they were  having their oxygen supply cut off….. and to do it over and over with no end in sight was alright when after they were done they were read bedtime stories.

So we tortured them in a good and safe way…… What great guys Bush and Cheney are…… maybe we should get them elected again.

By Roger from Ohio on 04/27/2009 8:31 pm
nanchan u
3 Terrorists make a national emergency…??????? Whatever.  Talk about subjective priorities.  Why not worry about the 330 plus MILLION here are who suffering because of the economy?
By nanchan u on 04/27/2009 3:38 pm