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Question of the Day | 10/13/2009 4:00 am

To ensure that there are no safe havens for terrorists, would you support keeping troops in Afghanistan for the next five years?

Liz Smith, Joan Ganz Cooney and Candice Bergen discuss the cost of safety.
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Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 10/13/2009 12:00 am

Liz Smith Fears Another Vietnam

I don’t know. I want the president to decide this fateful question. I fear we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. But this is why I voted for Barack Obama and I don’t believe in second-guessing him for the rest of his term and adding to the confusion and hatefulness that is going on. I do fear another Vietnam.

Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 10/13/2009 12:00 am

Candice Bergen: Where Are the Terrorists?

Afghanistan? I thought we were shifting our focus to Pakistan. That’s where Al-Qaeda is said to be hanging these days. The Taliban is supposedly no threat to the West. Unless they team up. Which they are wont to do.

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 10/13/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney on the Argument of War

I have heard so many smart and knowledgeable people argue both sides of this question that I have no idea what the right answer is. The big question for me always is how many American soldiers’ lives is it worth, not to mention civilians in Afghanistan? That question almost always turns me against the war option.

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deber B

Here’s what others are saying….

Americans need to prepare for the likelihood that more U.S. troops will be needed in Afghanistan and that they will be there many years, the former president of neighboring Pakistan said in Iowa on Saturday.

Pervez Musharraf, who resigned under pressure last year, said it would be "disastrous" for the United States to pull out of Afghanistan now. If the Taliban are allowed to return to power, he said, they surely would allow al-Qaida terrorists to rebuild strength in Afghanistan, destabilizing the region and posing a major threat to the United States.


The only solution, he said, is for international troops, led by the United States, to establish military dominance in Afghanistan and gain the trust of people there, so a long-term political solution can be formed.

Musharraf spoke to Des Moines Register reporters and editors at the Clive home of a family friend, where he stopped for the day. The former Pakistani leader, who is a controversial figure at home and abroad, is on a speaking tour in the United States.

Musharraf waved off questions about how long it would take to stabilize Afghanistan.

"May I suggest we forget about talking about timing," he said. "We need to obtain objectives. … When we lay down timing, it becomes very counterproductive."

Musharraf, who was a general in the Pakistani army, took power in a 1999 coup. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, he became a close ally of the U.S. government, which gave Pakistan billions of dollars to help in the fight against al-Qaida terrorists thought to be hiding in his country’s mountains.

Supporters hailed him as a bulwark against Muslim extremists in the region. Critics said he effectively was a dictator who allowed corruption and crushed critics. He resigned last year amid threats that he would be impeached.

He said Saturday that he might consider running for president again.

"It needs to be seen what the people of Pakistan want," he said. "Obviously, if I have a role in the future, it has to be through a democratic means of coming back. … I have to have a good, accurate feel of where the people stand, and also whether I have the conviction in my own heart that I can deliver to Pakistan as I did in the last nine years."

Pakistan’s next scheduled election is in 2013.

Musharraf survived several assassination attempts while president, and he still faces threats from al-Qaida and other extremist groups. Security was tight Saturday, with the U.S. Secret Service helping guard the house.

An aide said that Musharraf would be in grave danger if he returned to Pakistan now. The risk was highlighted in 2007, when longtime rival Benazir Bhutto was assassinated while campaigning. Her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, is the current president.

Musharraf’s opponents want him tried on criminal charges, including treason. He indicated Saturday that he would be willing to return to Pakistan if formal charges are pursued. He denied reports that he would apologize as part of a deal to avoid prosecution.

"I have not done anything wrong. So I do not apologize for doing things right," he said.

In the interview, Musharraf discussed a range of topics:

- When asked whether he believes Osama bin Laden is alive and hiding in Pakistan’s mountains, he replied, "Your guess is as good or as bad as mine." However, he said, bin Laden is no longer running a highly organized international terrorism operation. "Al-Qaida is more a symbol now," he said.

- He said Americans should not equate the situation in Afghanistan with the beginnings of the Vietnam War. The Vietnam conflict was a local problem, which posed no direct threat to the United States, he said. "This is different," he said. "This will engulf the whole region and have effects on the world. So I think defeat or a negative outcome in Afghanistan will have far more far-reaching consequences than you could have in Vietnam. Therefore, I think quitting is not an option."

- To build support in Muslim countries, he said, the United States should help settle long-standing disputes that inflame many Muslims. The disputes include the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians and the rivalry between Pakistan and India over the region of Kashmir. At the same time, he said, the United States can’t appear to be dictating what Muslim countries do.

More here…


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20091004/NEWS09/910040345

By deber B on 10/13/2009 5:27 am
Lila Kuh
I miss Musharraf.  He had a good grasp of the situation.  Zardari is weak and has already set Pakistan back with his concessions to tribal leaders in the FATA… including allowing them to practice Sharia rather than the secular law the rest of Pakistan uses…
By Lila Kuh on 10/13/2009 7:54 am
C jay

deber, save us - Please merely provide links!

And do not believe all you hear, read, even self-determine until …

Check this out, too: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/12/AR2009101203142.html?g=0

By C jay on 10/13/2009 9:12 am
deber B
C jay, with all due respect, I don’t take posting orders from you.   If I want to provide an article I’m posting it!  : )
By deber B on 10/13/2009 10:33 am
Cecile Tunstead
can you say "Copyright Infringement"?  From a legal standpoint, I think CJay is right.
By Cecile Tunstead on 10/13/2009 11:47 am
C Hardy
Cecile how is that "Copyright Infringement"  - I mean the picture you have posted do you have permission to use that picture b/c I am going to assume that is not a picture of yourself (and I really dont mean that in a mean way just trying to make a point)  my picture is a picture I took on my recent vacation so I have the rights to that picture - do you for yours?  Just curious?  I dont see how copying and pasting articles is "Copyright Infringement" - almost all posters on this site have done it from both the left and the right…..
By C Hardy on 10/13/2009 12:37 pm
Community Manager

Before everyone goes off on a copyright discussion, please be advised that it is on the back of the entity that believes their copyright HAS been violated to contact any publisher or persons to state that 1) copyright has been vioalted and 2) make the request to remove a copyrighted article.

That said - from a friendly standpoint, since a community is about sharing the commentary of an individual, it is great for the member posting to write their opinion and a summary (or a few lines) of the article they found interesting and then linking to it rather than pasting the whole article.  If other members wish to click and read that article it benefits the site that wrote the article and doesn’t disrupt the reading experience of other members who wish to not read the entire article at that time.

Let’s not derail this discussion and if you want to discuss - please use the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page.

By Community Manager on 10/13/2009 12:40 pm
deber B
Cecile, sure, I can say "copyright infringement" however I did provide the links.   Your point?
By deber B on 10/13/2009 1:16 pm
Baby  Snooks
Had we been more concerned with the "war on terror" in Afghanistan than the "war for oil" in Iraq, we probably wouldn’t be discussing this. 
By Baby Snooks on 10/13/2009 5:31 am
F P
Exactly.
By F P on 10/13/2009 6:26 am
Lila Kuh
We never did get any oil from Iraq.  So if that was the reason for the Iraq war, it didn’t turn out very well.
By Lila Kuh on 10/13/2009 7:51 am
F P
Uh lessee:  Bush’s ego?
By F P on 10/13/2009 8:03 am
Lila Kuh
Now, see, I think you may be on to something…
By Lila Kuh on 10/13/2009 10:19 am
C jay
;-))  and obedience.
By C jay on 10/13/2009 9:18 pm
Marjorie C.

F P:  ego

These guys we elect as presidents do have big egos, now don’t they.  As for Afghanistan, it’ll take the occupation of troops (U.N., whatever) for a generation or two to make a difference…  if a difference is even possible.  That’s more like 50 years, not 5 years to change the way that place operates.  Five years is a waste of time…  the poppies will grow…  the women will wear burkas…  the Taliban will recruit more sons.

My opinion would be similar to yours, find a workaround for Afghanistan, but don’t commit American forces to this wasteful endeavor.  I don’t think it’ll make us any safer.  And frankly, we cannot get our own country out of the cesspool of corruption, what makes us think we can make a difference in Afghanistan?   

By Marjorie C. on 10/14/2009 6:58 am