Question of the Day | 10/13/2009 4:00 am
To ensure that there are no safe havens for terrorists, would you support keeping troops in Afghanistan for the next five years?

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Ha! Ha! I am not a fan of DHS. I never did understand the rationale behind lumping all those agencies into the unwieldy, confused, and bloated crowning glory of bureaucratic muddle that they have become. Starting with FEMA. They did such a great job during Hurricane Katrina, of course they had to become a major cornerstone of DHS. As far as I can tell, DHS’s main mission is to astronomically and expensively increase inconvenience to average Americans. I’m sure they have some plaque somewhere that says otherwise, but I sure can’t tell.
The FBI, now, that is real law enforcement, they do actually contribute to national security, and they have actually brought terrorists - both foreign and home-grown - to justice.
As for Afghanistan - if you give me a mission goal of "establish stability," I can make a definition for stability and set criteria for measuring mission success. It need not be perfect - just meet some defined threshold beyond which we can reasonably expect that the Afghan government can maintain a reasonable level of security and stability. Personally - I have long thought that it can really only maintain stability under an autocrat. That’s why I am not all that keen on pushing democracy there.
"Those people are still living in the 10th century or earlier. It’s a tribal situation much worse than Iraq. … Afghanistan is not called the graveyard of empires for nothing." - F P
Anyone understanding the complex history of Afghanistan will realize that peace can not be achieved in 5 years or 10. Other posters have pointed out rational reasons for America’s presence in Afghanistan, yet at what cost of lives to try to insure peace in a region of the world that has never known stability. I would wager that most veterans of Iraq would ask the question we all [must] ask, "Why are we there?" And, according to some reports of military men and women who have already served a tour of duty in Afghanistan [witnesses of fallen comrades], many have become weary, questioning whether military intervention is the appropriate.
Osama bin Laden is very important. Supposedly the family cut him off. Supposedly. In Islam a family cannot go against the wishes, or the will, of the father. And bin Laden shares in the fortune and the income from the fortune. The only thing worse than a terrorist you cannot locate is a terrorist who has untold millions of dollars, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars, at his disposal. He has the means to buy a nuclear weapon. So far he hasn’t found one. Be assured he is looking for one.
He is not the only terrorist in the family. Two of the sons-in-law in Boston who were whisked off to safety after 9/11 had been convicted of terrorism in Jordan. Which the FBI knew when they put them on the plane.
Bin Laden is not important. The governments that might allow him an operational base are.
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He is very important. Supposedly the family cut him off. Supposedly. In Islam a family cannot go against the wishes, or the will, of the father. And bin Laden shares in the fortune and the income from the fortune. The only thing worse than a terrorist you cannot locate is a terrorist who has untold millions of dollars, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars, at his disposal. He has the means to buy a nuclear weapon. So far he hasn’t found one. Be assured he is looking for one.
He is not the only terrorist in the family. Two of the sons-in-law in Boston who were whisked off to safety after 9/11 had been convicted of terrorism in Jordan. Which the FBI knew when they put them on the plane.
Bin Laden is not the wealthy and powerful manipulator he once was. The US and other countries have done well enough at freezing bank assets and blocking donation sources, that Al-Qaeda is now reduced to begging for money. Bin Laden’s second, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, has been out beating the bushes for donations and not coming up with much. So if Bin Laden still has some accessible millions somewhere, maybe he should help out his little buddy by writing a few checks. But I think you will find he has fallen on hard times.
The Taliban is currently much better financed than Al-Qaeda, and significantly, since 2001, they have bitterly blamed Bin Laden and the Arab fighters for their loss of power (true… but also their own fault since they wouldn’t turn him over when we asked nicely). What’s good about this for us is that if the Taliban are co-opted back into Afghan government, they are NOT bloody likely to invite Al-Qaeda or other meddling foreigners back to their table anytime soon.
Now, before anyone harps on the current consideration of inviting the Taliban back into the Afghan power circle: co-opting old enemies back into government is a longstanding and proven method of re-establishing stability, and if done well, can also make allies of former enemies. Witness: after WWI, the Allies left the Germans on their own and saddled with war reparations costs in a destroyed country. Thus followed WWII. After WWII we got smart and enacted the Marshall Plan with great results for Germany, Japan, and the whole world. On a smaller scale, we did the same after invading Panama in 1989; the Panama Defense Forces were dictator Noriega’s instrument, but those guys - minus the worst-offending leaders - went right back to work as the Panama National Police, and things were normalized within a couple of months. It was practically seamless. In contrast in Iraq - Paul Bremer completely disbanded Iraq’s security forces to start over from scratch, barring anyone who was previously a member of the Baath Party - which was pretty much everyone who had any expertise in anything at all. Predictable results.
NO! I do not support the U.S. being in Afghanistan - period! When every other UN nation is equally there (percentage-wise) I might reconsider. Our nationalistic bent is bordering on insane!
(ref: Rose interview on October 2, 2009 with Newsweek writer/researcher)
I am not sure how to answer this question - If it keeps us safe should we keep Troops there - but isnt sending Troops there putting them in harms way so where is the US in that? Do I feel we needed to go to Iraq, no, but we did…did we need to go to Afghanistan, yes, but should we still be there, Im not sure. I think there is more threat elsewhere but what are we to do? Send Troops all over - just fly them from one Country to the next?
Do I think we should just up and leave - not now - all that will do is open the door for Al-Queda and any other terrorist group to come in and take over - both Iraq and Afghanistan are too un-stable.
I dont like our Troops there anymore then anyone else - but it is the job they signed up to do. No matter what you say - when they singed the line, this became their job and even to those who signed up for the reserves. I have friends and family currently in Iraq and Afghanistan so trust me saying those words aren’t easy.
Do I think Obama should send the Troops to Afghanistan that the General is asking for - Yes and I say that with a heavy heart. I just get this picture of the Troops there, exausted, tired and looking for support thats not coming from THEIR COMMANDER IN CHIEF…how would you feel?
Frank you served in Vietnam - how would you have felt if you needed more Troops and knew they werent coming? Would feel that your President turned his back on you…..

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