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I don’t know in what the context this remark was made, but given all the problems we face it seems ridiculous to pile this on to. We have a Black president and AG, great. Move-on already.
My guess is, the Asians do not have the same history. Asians have come to the U.S. as immigrants. Holder’s speech was more about blacks who are descendents of people who arrived in America as slaves. He was speaking in honor of Black History Month. When we have an Asian History Month, maybe an Asian will speak to that.
The civil rights movement of the 1960’s have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/USA phenomenon and only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.
Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery (namely, Hugh thomas’ The Slave Trade that shed new light on centuries of slave trading.
What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The African kingdoms happily continued in their trade, therefore, only black people could be slaves and that is how the sterotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves.
I have often wondered what would have happened to all of those African Americans who were sold had they not been sent to Virginia in 1619. Here, they were given shelter and food and became the backbone of the growth of America. Although it came far too late, slavery was abolished in 1865.
deber: the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves.
Your article is accurate. I’ve read much on the subject of slavery. Slavery has been with us since the beginning of civilization. Wars were fought and the losers or prisoners became slaves. That is one kind of slavery. Another kind is where people actually round up others and put them up for sale. For some reason, the Africans do this even today.
If slaves were not sold to one company, they were sold to another. This was a business. I think in the U.S., the need for slaves lasted longer than in other countries, therefore it persisted.
However it came about, it was a sad period in our history.
Hi Deber. Slaveholders throughout history did not institute the dire methods which were used by the American culture to keep the institution going. The American culture promoted that Black slaves were ANIMALS with an incapability for human emotion or thought processes. It is THIS campaign which makes American history of slaveholding more heinous than previous cultures and has resulted in the continued misunderstanding and bitterness between White and Black American citizens. A country cannot spend 400 years practicing slavery (+) 143 years practicing the disenfranchisement of some of its citizens and truly believe that a good, long talk isn’t necessary in order to make amends. If you were a counselor of ANY other stereotyped goup would you tell a troubled group member he was dealing with "a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts."?? Talking in an open-minded and non-defensive way is the only way for us American citizens to get over our past and get on with our future.
Slaveholders throughout history did not institute the dire methods which were used by the American culture to keep the institution going. The American culture promoted that Black slaves were ANIMALS with an incapability for human emotion or thought processes. >
Colonial and American racism were originally speciesism. Thankfully, we’ve reached a time when speciesism is also understood as a form of discrimination.
The African kingdoms happily continued in their trade, therefore, only black people could be slaves and that is how the stereotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves. >
Yes, probably the first slaves were white — the word slave is taken from Slavs, referring to Slavik persons kept as slaves.
But proto-racism, i.e. the notion of "pure blood", has existed in every culture since antiquity, though not based on the color of skin, but rather in being foreign or belonging to a separate group.
Except, Marjorie, this isn’t true. The Chinese immigrants who built the Union Pacific Railroad were treated in many cases worse than African slaves. The Chinese Exclusion Act was barbaric. So no, they don’t have the same history. Even today, it is the rare non-Asian American who can tell Japanese people from Chinese people. Or Korean. Or Malaysian.
Asians were not the only groups prohibited from immigrating to the U.S. Southern and eastern Europeans were restricted, while German immigrants were favored. Latino immigrants are the victims now, even though the U.S. has actually encouraged migrant workers.
What’s ridiculous is continuing the "race" discussion without including Asian people.
Although many Asian immigrants were treated abominably, I don’t think this compares to being sold or captured into slavery, being continually separated from family, and owned as of an object of property. In general, African Americans have suffered far more than other ethnic groups in the US. Also, so far as I’m aware, Asian Americans aren’t interested in having an Asian History Month.
Ellie, Native Americans were the subject of systemic genocide, so I suspect that’s actually worse than slavery in many respects. If we are to discuss race at all, it is absurd to continue the discussion about race without including 3/4 of the world’s population.
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Mugsy: I couldn’t speak to that.
My guess is, the Asians do not have the same history. Asians have come to the U.S. as immigrants. Holder’s speech was more about blacks who are descendents of people who arrived in America as slaves. He was speaking in honor of Black History Month. When we have an Asian History Month, maybe an Asian will speak to that.
The civil rights movement of the 1960’s have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/USA phenomenon and only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.
Harvard University and several comprehensive books have been published recently on the origins of modern slavery (namely, Hugh thomas’ The Slave Trade that shed new light on centuries of slave trading.
What these records show is that the modern slave trade flourished in the early middle ages, as early as 869, especially between Muslim traders and western African kingdoms. For moralists, the most important aspect of that trade should be that Muslims were selling goods to the African kingdoms and the African kingdoms were paying with their own people. All they needed to do is bring goods that appealed to the kings of those tribes. The African kingdoms happily continued in their trade, therefore, only black people could be slaves and that is how the sterotype for African-American slavery was born. It was not based on an ancestral hatred of blacks by whites, but simply on the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves.
I have often wondered what would have happened to all of those African Americans who were sold had they not been sent to Virginia in 1619. Here, they were given shelter and food and became the backbone of the growth of America. Although it came far too late, slavery was abolished in 1865.
deber: the fact that blacks were the only ones selling slaves.
Your article is accurate. I’ve read much on the subject of slavery. Slavery has been with us since the beginning of civilization. Wars were fought and the losers or prisoners became slaves. That is one kind of slavery. Another kind is where people actually round up others and put them up for sale. For some reason, the Africans do this even today.
If slaves were not sold to one company, they were sold to another. This was a business. I think in the U.S., the need for slaves lasted longer than in other countries, therefore it persisted.
However it came about, it was a sad period in our history.
Colonial and American racism were originally speciesism. Thankfully, we’ve reached a time when speciesism is also understood as a form of discrimination.
Yes, probably the first slaves were white — the word slave is taken from Slavs, referring to Slavik persons kept as slaves.
But proto-racism, i.e. the notion of "pure blood", has existed in every culture since antiquity, though not based on the color of skin, but rather in being foreign or belonging to a separate group.
Asians were not the only groups prohibited from immigrating to the U.S. Southern and eastern Europeans were restricted, while German immigrants were favored. Latino immigrants are the victims now, even though the U.S. has actually encouraged migrant workers.
Although many Asian immigrants were treated abominably, I don’t think this compares to being sold or captured into slavery, being continually separated from family, and owned as of an object of property. In general, African Americans have suffered far more than other ethnic groups in the US. Also, so far as I’m aware, Asian Americans aren’t interested in having an Asian History Month.