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I think it is something that people need to see. And parents should censor their own children with whether they should see pics or not. But I think they should ask the families whether they want the pictures taken. I think the picture of all of the caskets draped in flags in the belly of the plane and being unloaded showed the American people something they needed to see. By viewing pictures it makes the war more personal - even if you do not know anyone in those coffins, you still know someone died and sacrificed their lives for your freedom.
I would assume that each night watching the news when they relate an Oklahoma Soldier that was killed in action - they are doing it with the families permission.
Definitely the family should make that decision. Heard yesterday that if two soldiers return on the same flight and one family objects then it won’t be done. Sounds fair. Hopefully, we will not have a situation where two soldiers return on the same flight. In fact, no more soldiers in coffins would be really wonderful. One can only hope.
From what I have seen of photos of flag draped coffins you have no clue who is inside so how does the family…or anyone else know, who is being photgraphed??
One of the biggest reasons people were so against the war in Vietnam is because we saw the bodies coming home & saw the grief of the families greeting the coffins. 100 does not seem like alot until they are coffins and they are lined up. It makes a huge difference in how the war is perceived.
I do believe if the family does not want that to be seen we should respect there wishes, however, I also believe it is important for us to see this as a reality. We just hear numbers on the news, by seeing the coffins, it gives Americans more of a personal message about war.
In Canada we do it everytime a soldier losses his or her life. It is a way to honour our brave people in the forces and it reminds us that war is not to be taken lightly. What you don’t see sometimes gets forgotten and human life is too precious to not see and honour.
Bush 41 attempted to sanitize the results of our dead soldiers. To have Americans subconsciously be aware that men and women were killed, but not have to deal with the visuals of that fact. Seeing the coffins is a jarring sight, and if Americans were to see on their nightly news the sight of countless coffins draped in the American flag, WE would cause an uproar. We would begin to question why.
Clinton had an opportunity to change this, reverse this and he didn’t. Bush 43, given the war he and Cheney dragged us into, were more than happy to uphold this ban. To keep the result of their dirty work from our eyes. In their small twisted minds, it is much more palatable to hear a number than to see that number by way of actual coffins.
Public outcry isn’t always a bad thing. I deeply respect the privacy of the soldier and his/her family in controlling and planning all funeral arrangements which include if the coffin will be photographed. But I want to mourn for our fallen heroes. Although we civilians can’t possibly understand the life of a soldier, we can understand a soldier’s ultimate service to our country. I am very proud of our military, they are courageous people deserving of our honor and respect.
I think everybody is getting this all mixed up with viewing the casket at the funeral for the soldier, or viewing the funeral. That, of course, should be at the family’s discretion. This is referring to the caskets being displayed with the flag covering it (them) at Dover Delaware, where they start out, and that is totally anonymous. My husband was once stationed at the ceremonial post of the Marine Corps in DC. They conducted all the funerals for any deceased Marine at Arlington. Once he was the Officer in Charge when a tour bus stopped nearby and people in shorts and various sloppy clothes came up, staring at the funeral. He got so incensed he ordered the funeral stopped and told the people to leave immediately, as this was not entertainment. I think you are thinking more in terms of this, and not the anomyous viewing of all the caskets that is shown on TV to make people aware that, damn it, soldiers are dying in this war. Out of sight, out of mind is what is going on currently. Seeing all those coffins can make people think more of the reality of this war that affects them not at all.
My son also participated in Ceremonial Posts as a Marine. I don’t think these people here realize what is being discussed here at all. It is a very solemn ritual removing those coffins from the plane, whether it’s daylight or 3 in the morning, and I take offense that the Marines or other Cermonial personnel would have anything else expected from them.
The American Citizens needed to be aware of how many young people were being killed in Bushs’ war, and they shielded those coffins for the purpose of the old saying: Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind.
First off, I have to say that some of these posts, including JJs poem, brought me to tears.
I also agree with many of the posts here that remember the Viet Nam War and the intense images on the nightly news brought to us. For those youngun’s out there, it was NOT a fun time and you didn’t have another cable channel to change the channel to if you were disturbed.
The family needs to make the decision as far as I’m concerned. But I like how Nancy Grace recognizes our dead soldiers during her program and it makes me cry every time. I keep thinking about a mom, dad, sister, brother, wife, husband, child or friend who will never have that lovely life back. It’s a short personalization of a faceless war (and by the way, we have had military "action" during all administrations since WWII so don’t make this a Republican issue!) and to me means more than a faceless coffin.
I think if I died in a war, I’d want someone to remember me for the people I loved and affected, the work I did (a photo montague (sp) of my ppts? my business plans?), the songs I have on my iPOD (everything from Opera to Hip Hop) rather than to remember me in a wood box. There is so much more to our honored dead than the fact that they were in a war. They were also people. I think I’d rather be remembered for who I was, with something saying that I died in our country’s service.
My heart goes out to those who have lost family in service of our nation.
I worked in Air Transportation in the Air Force, I personally witnessed the shipment of coffins from the Beirut bombings in 1983 up through Desert Storm, they are shown the ultimate respect by every service member involved. It is a somber moment from the time the aircraft is "wheels down" and long after the Dover AFB hearses take the coffins to the Dover mortuary.
I can assure you it is equivalent to witnessing the changing of the guards at Arlington Cemetery.
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I think it is something that people need to see. And parents should censor their own children with whether they should see pics or not. But I think they should ask the families whether they want the pictures taken. I think the picture of all of the caskets draped in flags in the belly of the plane and being unloaded showed the American people something they needed to see. By viewing pictures it makes the war more personal - even if you do not know anyone in those coffins, you still know someone died and sacrificed their lives for your freedom.
I would assume that each night watching the news when they relate an Oklahoma Soldier that was killed in action - they are doing it with the families permission.
One of the biggest reasons people were so against the war in Vietnam is because we saw the bodies coming home & saw the grief of the families greeting the coffins. 100 does not seem like alot until they are coffins and they are lined up. It makes a huge difference in how the war is perceived.
Bush 41 attempted to sanitize the results of our dead soldiers. To have Americans subconsciously be aware that men and women were killed, but not have to deal with the visuals of that fact. Seeing the coffins is a jarring sight, and if Americans were to see on their nightly news the sight of countless coffins draped in the American flag, WE would cause an uproar. We would begin to question why.
Clinton had an opportunity to change this, reverse this and he didn’t. Bush 43, given the war he and Cheney dragged us into, were more than happy to uphold this ban. To keep the result of their dirty work from our eyes. In their small twisted minds, it is much more palatable to hear a number than to see that number by way of actual coffins.
Public outcry isn’t always a bad thing. I deeply respect the privacy of the soldier and his/her family in controlling and planning all funeral arrangements which include if the coffin will be photographed. But I want to mourn for our fallen heroes. Although we civilians can’t possibly understand the life of a soldier, we can understand a soldier’s ultimate service to our country. I am very proud of our military, they are courageous people deserving of our honor and respect.
My son also participated in Ceremonial Posts as a Marine. I don’t think these people here realize what is being discussed here at all. It is a very solemn ritual removing those coffins from the plane, whether it’s daylight or 3 in the morning, and I take offense that the Marines or other Cermonial personnel would have anything else expected from them.
The American Citizens needed to be aware of how many young people were being killed in Bushs’ war, and they shielded those coffins for the purpose of the old saying: Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind.
First off, I have to say that some of these posts, including JJs poem, brought me to tears.
I also agree with many of the posts here that remember the Viet Nam War and the intense images on the nightly news brought to us. For those youngun’s out there, it was NOT a fun time and you didn’t have another cable channel to change the channel to if you were disturbed.
The family needs to make the decision as far as I’m concerned. But I like how Nancy Grace recognizes our dead soldiers during her program and it makes me cry every time. I keep thinking about a mom, dad, sister, brother, wife, husband, child or friend who will never have that lovely life back. It’s a short personalization of a faceless war (and by the way, we have had military "action" during all administrations since WWII so don’t make this a Republican issue!) and to me means more than a faceless coffin.
I think if I died in a war, I’d want someone to remember me for the people I loved and affected, the work I did (a photo montague (sp) of my ppts? my business plans?), the songs I have on my iPOD (everything from Opera to Hip Hop) rather than to remember me in a wood box. There is so much more to our honored dead than the fact that they were in a war. They were also people. I think I’d rather be remembered for who I was, with something saying that I died in our country’s service.
My heart goes out to those who have lost family in service of our nation.
I worked in Air Transportation in the Air Force, I personally witnessed the shipment of coffins from the Beirut bombings in 1983 up through Desert Storm, they are shown the ultimate respect by every service member involved. It is a somber moment from the time the aircraft is "wheels down" and long after the Dover AFB hearses take the coffins to the Dover mortuary.
I can assure you it is equivalent to witnessing the changing of the guards at Arlington Cemetery.