Oh this is a painful topic for me. I always wanted to ask an opinion on this, so here goes:
Ever since I hit puberty, my father had something he would say to me, frequently, and he said it until I was well into my 20s (I am 46 now):
“If you look half as good at 30 as your mother does at 40 (then he eventually upped it to 50), you’ll be lucky.”
What the hell does that actually mean? It never set well with me. I grew up hating my looks and doubting pretty much everything about myself :D
I’m sorry that your father was so insensitive. It doesn’t really matter what he meant by that, you took it as a negative comment and let it effect your sense of self. Are your parents still alive? If so, perhaps a family confrontation would be in order? It’s just that your last sentence is so very sad.
You know, at the time, Phyllis, I took it positively but a little voice inside was telling me he shouldn’t be setting me up to compare myself to her. (My mom values looks and nice cars and homes and possessions alot and I grew up being proud of those things rather than proud of my family just for being my family.) When you say I let it affect my sense of self, I wonder how I could have prevented that as an adolescent. I am learning that some things are put into us by our parents, sometimes subtly, and sometimes we just don’t recognize them as an impediment until later.
Ruth,
You’re right on…we don’t have the resources as children or teens to deflect those diminishing kind of words and ideas.
Your father may have meant it as a backhanded compliment, and in a ‘manly’ way of letting you know how much he valued his wife, your mother. I know that sounds a little bizarre….but I’ve known so many insensitive men like that who are belittling rather than affirming from their own lack of insight, which has nothing to do with you. You just had the ‘luck’ to be the target.
Devaluing words and ideas are a death of self-esteem by a million cuts. When people lack affirming parents they must learn to parent themselves or the rest of their lives they’ll feel like ‘less’ and that’s a terrible burden to carry around.
You look great BTW! Love the hair and great smile!
Thanks, that’s my PTA picture, WL, lol
I think you’re right about the backhanded compliment, that fits.
I am lucky to have a daughter. Daily, though, the memories come up of how I was treated at her age, as she reaches the milestones my parents handled so badly with me. I often flash back to something and think, I would no more say or do that to my daughter than … I don’t know what.
But I’ve learned about being an affirming parent for her, having had no model for that, because I am determined not to perpetuate this nonsense :D
I marvel at her confidence, so, so far, so good!
I agree, Winery, Ruth is lovely and has no reason to feel less than the beauty she is. I also agree that her dad’s backhanded compliment was more praise of his wife’s looks than criticism of Ruth’s. His words landed wrong, is all. Men can be so clueless and insensitive when it comes to such things.
Ruth, some dads are just uncomfortable telling their daughters they think they are beautiful. It was dumb, yes, but probably came from some embarrassment about talking about how beautiful you are. My uncle used to tease us about being “so ugly you have to sneak up on a glass of water to take a drink!” He had enough sense to make a total joke out of it. Sorry it hurt your feelings.
One of the few things my mother and I had in common was our vanity. I always thought she was one of the vainest women on earth, and with her passing I inherited this trait. She always said, “If you don’t take care of yourself, who will?” Meaning appearance, of course — a man was supposed to take care of the rest.
I picked other as I’m not sure I look better but different. Someone said that 50 was considered old in her mom’s era and that’s my mom as well. However, mom always ate well and worked hard. So she was in shape and what one might term a “handsome” woman. But she dressed old and thought she was old at 50.
After reading Ruth’s post and now Babette’s I’m wondering how one’s mother’s looks affect us in profound ways. If your mother looks like Lauren Bacall, as Mugsy’s did, and you don’t come close, how does that play? If you had a mother who primped and preened are you clean scrubbed and comfortable?
My mother was a noted beauty, and looked very beautiful at my age because she had a great complexion. But….she never worked out, in fact, I don’t remember seeing her take a walk, not that I think of it. She smoked until she was about 60. These two factors directly affect one’s physical appearance. The unusual thing about her was she was a sun tan fanatic until she was about 65, but never, and I mean never, ended up with leather skin or sunspots. Amazing!
Not better, possibly younger. My mother dressed well, did her hair every morning, applied makeup and ALWAYS wore a dress. She colored her hair for as long as I can remember and wore it in a french twist for years.
My mom is 40 years older than I so she always looked old to me. I was only 6 years old when she was my age so any pictures of her at my age require me to see beyond the cat-eye glasses and conservative clothing she wore in order to compare.
She certainly looks old now at 86 but that doesn’t matter. I want her attitude. She broke her leg on Friday and lay in a hospital bed for four days awaiting surgery. When my sister and I visited her post-surgery on Tuesday evening, she assured us that she was fine but wanted to know, more importantly she said, how we were. She encouraged us to go out and have a fun evening. When I visited her yesterday, she was in fine spirits and said “I’d like to be unhappy but I don’t have the time”. She profusely thanked her attending nurse for the fine care and raved about the orange sherbet that was part of her lunch. That’s who I want to be.
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