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Poll | 10/06/2008 12:00 am

If you were asked to run for vice president of the U.S. tomorrow, truthfully, what would you say?

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f p
No i’m arrogant enough to assume I could handle the job with no previous experience of national ssues that I should be conversant with but then I’m not from the Alaska.
By f p on 10/06/2008 12:10 am
Frannie Em
Frank Neither are you a governor from Alaska. Hey, someone has to give her some credit.
By Frannie Em on 10/06/2008 12:45 am
f p
Frannie for what?
By f p on 10/06/2008 12:48 am
Frannie Em
Frank I work hard to not let politics make me so angry that I disparage or hate people running for office. Hey, she has an 84% approval rating in Alaska. Can you name me anyone in politics that has taken on Big Oil and won besides that hockey mom from Alaska? I don’t know what she is like, but what goes around, comes around so I just don’t want to send out the negativity. So much anger is being directed at her from half of the country, for what? Living the American dream? So I don’t need to pile on. Where is the tolerance in that? She is who she is, and people will vote for who they want to. The country is in such dire straits right now, I keep thinking, who would want that job. You will be damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Peas and gravy my friend
By Frannie Em on 10/06/2008 1:13 am
Brooklyn Gal
Frannie. I went through this with you before. We have a right to disparage her on her political beliefs and the issues at hand. I am not saying she had no right to excel in Alaskan politics, she is a very determined and smart person. However, there are those abuse charges against her that are now being forced to disappear. There’s the fact she charged rape victims for their kits. There’s the fact she took in just as many earmarks as other governors. There’s the fact that she never negotiated trade deals. There’s the fact that censorship was a concern to her although no list were ever presented. There’s the fact that she doesn’t support sex ed, but at least if she wants it in the home, she should have had “the talk” with her own daughter. There’s the fact that while governor she never worked closely and in a bi-partisan manner. Those she hired, resigned. Others she hired had no experience for the job at hand. There’s the fact that she never met with the majority of mayors from Alaska or even state representatives. And the only reason she vetoed the bill disallowing gay rights, was because she was advised that such a law would be found unconstitutional. I really have a problem with people who like her because she is so much like them. I am glad she took on Big Oil. But now Big Oil is driving her agenda and they are in partnership. Where is the mention of alternative energy from her?? It’s drill baby drill!!! Did you ever watch her interview on Charlie Rose. Compare her to the other governor who answered every question and gave examples of her agenda. All Palin ever did was talk about the Bridge to Nowhere and avoided the same questions put to the other governor by bringing the issue back to energy. You know me Frannie. I have been reading the Alaskan newspapers to find out more about her rather than listen to hoaxes. And if you read my pre-debate comment, I said she shouldn’t be underestimated. I didn’t put her down like some others. However, she never answered the questions put forth and blames the media for her inexperience in those interviews. From what I have been reading, it seems she is now taking some control in this campaign. One doesn’t publicly disagree with the presidential candidate over campaign strategy, yet she did. She is the one who stated she wants more power for the VP. She likes the Cheney model and that is an issue that Americans like me can disagree with that is not disparaging. I say give her 4 more years so we can really learn more of her political agenda. She is eager to be in the national spotlight. Let her run against Hillary. Btw, I voted NO to this question. But it seems there are people here who think they can take over the presidency on a moment’s notice. Of course if all one has to do is go to a couple of funerals, weddings and banquets, and travel the world, count me in!!!!
By Brooklyn Gal on 10/06/2008 11:39 am
Frannie Em
Carol What did you say? “I went through this with you before”? Okay. Am I being scolded? LOL, whatever. I didn’t, nor would I, deny anyone their right of free speech. Go for it, be disparaging if it pleases you, I don’t care, it is just not my choice. I don’t think you are an unfair person, but you are also very dedicated to your candidate, as you should be. Fine with me. I didn’t say much about Gov Palin but you used it as an opportunity to open up and skewer her. So let’s take some of these points one at a time. 1. The abuse charges. Are you referring to Troopergate? When she got mixed up in the politics of law enforcement? Wanting someone fired because they tazered an 11 year old? The Trooper in question being her brother-in-law who had threatened her father’s life? That one? I think it is a good question, why wasn’t he fired? Was it that his boss didn’t like a woman telling him what to do? She was the Mayor, she could fire him if she wants to. I am not conversant with all the details, maybe you can supply a couple of links to the papers you are reading, to get to the truth of the situation. 2. I have heard from several sources, different stories on the rape kits, so I don’t know what the truth is. Maybe we can find a judicial link. 3. Earmarks have become a big campaign issue and it makes me laugh since they all take money from special interests. Many states with large economies that contribute far more Federal taxes to Washington, request programs for their states. New York, California and Alaska is another one, send in large tax revenues, and the ratio of fed $$’s that come back to their state are not in pace what is needed. Take for instances monies for infrastructure maintenance. California’s, Alaska’s and New York’s contributions go to many other states. That’s is how it works. Alaska is not the only place that got earmarks, every state does. How many did Illinois get? Sen Obama has been saying he wants to straighten out and change the Washington culture and the influence of special interests. So if she says she is against it, yet receives them, and he says the same, what is the difference? 4. “She never negotiated trade deals.” Need more info regarding why you have discontent about this. 5. I am wary about the censorship issue. 6. She has a lot of growing up to do about sex education. She must face her own inconsistencies. So did President Clinton, but in another way, and did he ever really grow up about it? 7. Neither you nor I know whether or not she had “the talk” with her daughter. That is her private business. 8. What proof do you have that she didn’t work in a bi-partisan manner? Is that evidence from political enemies? 9. Who was hired and who resigned and why? What are all the facts? 10. Gay rights - she could have led an initiative against it. Other governors in other states have done that, and she didn’t. She is a conservative. Why would her position surprise you? 11. She mentions alternative energy quite a bit. It is always in any paragraph or sentence that has to do with energy. As that stands, we are not close enough to expansive and viable alternatives for energy, so Sen Obama would have to get in line with drilling as well. Especially if we want to become energy independent and get out of the middle east. The polls say that the vast majority of Americans want to become energy independent. Let’s bring our soldiers home. 12. I saw the interview with Charlie Rose, and yes, she talked about energy, because that is what she knows. Gov Napolitano was fabulous as well, but she is a democrat, so Sen McCain would not have chosen her. 13. I know that she didn’t answer most of the questions in the debate. I wish she would have. 14. She didn’t say that she likes the Cheney model. She named her areas of interest, just as Al Gore was interested in the environment in the Clinton Administration, and Pres Clinton let VP Gore lead the way on that. I was happy about that. Cheney was a counselor and advisor. I can’t see her as that for McCain. I don’t know what is going to happen in this election, but I know that economically our country has just been hit by a Tsunami, so whatever anyone has campaigned on, from this point forward there is no way they can do much except totally concentrate on putting our country’s finances back on straight. I do not believe that either of them can destroy our country. That is why we have checks and balances. I am more focused on the congressional races. I would like to see many new representatives. I wish we could clean house.
By Frannie Em on 10/06/2008 2:14 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Frannie, Sorry you didn’t get the reference that you and I had had many conversations on the issue of so-called attacks on Palin and even you agreed I was never disparaging, nor was I disparaging about Palin in my reply to you. Now I am so sorry I didn’t bookmark all the sources, but I did save the ones on the rape kits. There was another story it may have been the Times about all the mayors being interviewed and when asked how many have requested a meeting with Palin, all hands went up. How many actually got a meeting, few hands went up. There was also the story how she fired competent people in favor of hiring former high school classmates. Now ya gotta give me time to find these sources all over again, but I will give you 3 on the rape because those I did save!!! http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-10-rape-exams… http://www.examiner.com/a-1582780~Palin_s_town_billed_rape_victims_to_ge… http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt This is one I saved on censorship. http://frontiersman.com/articles/2008/09/08/breaking_news/doc48c1c8a60d6… As for the Troopergate scandal, this guy is still working which makes me believe the original complaints were deemed unfounded. But this is why it is so important that Palin keep her promise to let this investigation take place and that she, if called, would testify. Now the Alaskan GOP is trying to interfere with the entire procedure prior to Election Day and First Dude stuck his middle finger on the subpoena. I smell a rat!!! There would be a record of those trade agreements. Why weren’t they made public? I don’t mind doing the research again and saving the articles, but I wish Palin supporters would do the same.
By Brooklyn Gal on 10/06/2008 3:06 pm
Frannie Em
Carol Thanks for all of your hard work. I read the USAtoday link, and it never came out and stated that Palin put the practice of the test kits being paid for by rape victims. It said it had been done that way. One thing I read was that she reversed that. I don’t know what the true story is, that is why I asked for your links. Journalists are very clever. If you read that closely, it never comes out and says she had anything to do with that, it just mentions what the judicial procedure was. So I am still looking. Carol, I don’t know what to think about Palin. In one off the cuff interview she was very impressive and surprising. I think I like understanding the human nature involved in politics, but beyond that, I really don’t like politics. I don’t like the lengths people go to in order to destroy political opponents. On either side. I appreciate fairness and justice and clear thinking. I will finish reading what you gave me, dear friend, in a couple of days. I am swamped with getting ready with an appointment with our accountant to wrap up tax planning etc. The troopergate incident is odd. Palin has many enemies among big oil up there and it is a very macho environment. So I will wait and see how that one plays itself out. What would you have done if someone had tazered your 11 year old nephew and threatened your father? Beyond that, should the guy have been left on the force? She probably should have recused herself from that one.
By Frannie Em on 10/08/2008 12:52 am
Brooklyn Gal
Frannie, Did you read the same reports I read? Where did you read that Palin reversed that practice? She didn’t!! The State of Alaska did when she was mayor. Did you also read the 2 Alaskan papers I sent you. Palin’s administration, through her city spokesman, said the State Law now put the burden of paying for rape kits on the taxpayers. That practice was in place when she was both council member and mayor, so she had plenty of time to reverse it and she did not. The State Law was passed because of her inaction since her city was named when the bill was sent to the state legislature. Sorry, but as mayor she knew the bill was going through the state because of the Wasilla practice, and her own hand-picked police chief made many comments opposing the legislation. Finally, it’s the father’s word against the trooper’s word and considering it was a messy divorce, and I only heard Palin accuse him of that. Please send any other evidence you have. As for the other incident, please send me those links because for the trooper to still be working there had to be other circumstances. As a teacher, I can tell you that elementary children have been caught with knives and guns, so I would like to see your information. But I have to wonder why the head of the troopers would put his job on the line if he didn’t think it was a fair decision to fire the brother-in-law. By the way, the person she did hire to take the that guy’s place (one of her Wasilla friends) later had to resign due to sex allegations that had followed him from Wasilla. I also think the last link proved that Palin was “interested” in the censorship issue, and she did fire the librarian who was rehired after protests. I know from another report (again I didn’t save the link) she agreed with a resident who wanted Heather Has 2 Mommys (or a book of the same subject) off the library shelf. When she was mayor, she fired one of the commissioners who was against something—zoning or building permit I think (again I have to find that one again) that a friend and supporter wanted. I look forward to receiving your links, and I will send you the other links as soon as I can.
By Brooklyn Gal on 10/08/2008 11:21 am
C jay
Oh please. With all due respect, even those covering the G7 today are aghast that “America” is letting the same criminals that caused this mess fix it! There are no checks and balances. Our nation’s Constitution has been manipulated, fragmented, and abused since 2000, and it wasn’t a mistake. The mistake was all of us who let it happen out of our need for a deity to worship on earth. It’s sick, it’s sad, and it’s just plain wrong. We must not permit irresponsible goverment. Governments, as so aptly put by the G7 journalists, are responsible to their people, and in the U.S. it is apparent that with our serious loss of centricity, we’ve also lost our knowlege that we are owners of our own country…”we the people” not ‘them.’ Once Americans decide to oust those who put party before our country, the implosion will occur. When merely a few in America decide to stop spending, using their phones, TVs, cells, computers, and not working for 24 hours this will stop. We cannot be a market economy with 300,000,000 people. Nor can a democracy exist with more than 50 people… Didn’t Shaw say that long ago? How could we care what we are as long as we are humanists? This whole administration has been preposterous, and it started back with the formation of the Federal Reserve. We’re idiots to have permitted that powerhouse to ever exist, much less let them control interest rates, which in turn totally changed our national defense and safety. Ask yourself this: If we have a national crisis, or are attacked, where is our military? Where is our National Guard? Do you really believe this is coincidental - and it is all just an oversight? Absolute power corrupts absolutely - but it’s also contageous. Palin is not qualified for anything yet. Nothing. The power mongers thought we’d fall for a women being dragged into their game. Well, they don’t know women!
By C jay on 10/10/2008 1:18 pm
Susan B
Who would want to be VP? That’s easy. The same sort of people who would want to rule the world/become President of the USA. Frannie, what is your personal rationale for all the hate-filled, anti-Palin sentiment? I see that you’re trying to be even-handed and unemotional about her, so I would like to solicit your opinion. Do you really think it is it a type of intolerance? Something cultural, perhaps? Why does she earn the loyalty of so many, yet gets under the skin of so many others? I’ll admit, she certainly gets under mine, but I’m loath to offer a thoughtful reason why beyond her social-political platform and her lack of intellectual depth. (And her accent is like fingernails on the blackboard, too.) There are plenty of people who think and talk and see the world the way she does, and they don’t earn my annoyance to that degree. She simply bugs the heck out of me on a very gut, almost instinctual, level. Perhaps we’re all feeding each other, but again, I typically don’t plug into that sort of groupthink. What’s your theory? Envision whirled peas.
By Susan B on 10/06/2008 3:49 pm
C jay
Oh, Susan just noticed your vision for the day. I’ve lived with one-a-day since the early 1980 (got me through some terrible times 1 even a short, frightening marriage, which I ran did not walk, from) … so today, as I await the arrival of a daughter and SIL with their children from NM (she’s a geoscientist - go figure - not like her Mom except politically), I’ve already been envisioning whirled peas and “whirling butterflies” (that I can see right now out my window). Thank you dear. On another note: Many of “us” believe Sarah’s a victim, which is part of her drive; however, we also see Bi-Polar needing meds adjustment. it’s all very sad that in America someone, especially a woman, would be grabbed up by someone who perceives themselves as powerful to keep their ship from sinking. Anyone who falls into such gut-level, somatic “cultural” practices that incorporate magic, money, and mental anguish merely needs to be removed from that milieu for a while to re-gain perspective. Certainly, everyone has their own levels of spirituality, in some form, and it’s a no-no to judge in my opinion (I’ve know people from all sorts of believes, and cultures, which is not be the same as ethnicity, and there’s never been a missed step in our relationships) however, when such riles the innermost anger and potent for cruelty in others as she has done on this ticket, in America, it must be stopped. It cannot be permitted to go on. We, as a people, must do everything we can to prevent the hatred her outbursts has created “on the trail” - we can only hope for the best at this point. In closing, I feel sad for McCain. He’s bitten off more than he can chew with his unethical committee, wife and Palin. Like Plath, he’s trying to stop the train but “there’s no getting off”, the poison was released in the open throughout our society.
By C jay on 10/11/2008 11:13 am
Susan B
I hear what you’re saying. I personally have tried to distance myself from reacting to Sarah Palin, but have failed here and there, as my past posts will prove. About a week after she was introduced, “a little voice in my head” instructed me to not give her any more of my energy — good or bad. My reaction to her was so incredibly negative, and out of my usual sphere when it comes to political figures. In my 54 years, I’ve learned to pay attention to such things in myself, because they are warnings. I’m not saying the woman herself is evil, but she has created an extraordinary polarization within the women of this country, and that is a very, very bad thing. Put simply, “innocent or guilty”, she’s a negative influence on us as a nation. I also know that giving people energy, sends like energy back to you. So I’m withdrawing my attention and looking elsewhere for areas where I can more positively contribute to the conversation. On a final note, I’m not sure if you hold stock in such things, but an extremely sensitive friend of mine can “see” auras. She told me Sarah’s was purple and charcoal-colored.
By Susan B on 10/11/2008 12:13 pm
Andromeda Jakes
Frannie, I understand Sarah Palin’s approval rating is way down as a result of the citizens of Alaska learning about the nature of her governing there. I don’t hate Palin, be very, very clear, in my opinion she is a phony and brings out the worst in some. She is playing some Americans, not me. The hate is coming fast and hard from the McCain/Palin campaign and Palin opened the flood gates…………………………! I don’t think she is a good person. All that packaging does not cover up ambition and not in a good way.
By Andromeda Jakes on 10/10/2008 4:37 pm
Step away from the BLOG!
Exactly, Frank. She is a total manufactured story from a state with a tiny population and the highest HS drop-out rate, a liar, phony and an imbecile….who was been roundly trounced by so many of our top national writers, including conservatives, but people see what they want to see. The GOP has now gone to the AK Supreme Court to prevent the Troopergate investigation findings from becoming public. I agree with you completely, the list of what’s wrong with her is so very long, and not worth repeating. Hopefully we’ll seen the end of her in 30 days.
By Step away from the BLOG! on 10/06/2008 1:57 am