Hello Lily!
I opened up the site this morning and thought exactly the same thing. Not more of this…?! When you get 500+ hits on a question, I guess it just makes the founders drool.
I believe this is how we got the ‘entertainment news’ media we have. ‘oh look at the numbers! Let’s do it some more! ’
Laura Bush criticized the government of Myanmar, (calling it Burma), for not warning their people about the impending disaster. Bush criticized them for thwarting International relief efforts. And we still have not fixed the aftermath of Katrina. McCain talks about leveling New Orleans. Pretty amazing stuff!
This endless speculating, which means absolutely nothing and enlightens no one…not so amazing.
“When you get 500+ hits on a question, I guess it just makes the founders drool.
I believe this is how we got the ‘entertainment news’ media we have. ‘oh look at the numbers! Let’s do it some more! ’”
The other way of looking at it is that this is a race for the record books on many scores. It is not just a national story, but an international one. It is at a particular crucible point. This is the questions on ALL political blogs, in people’s conversation, in all media AND the masthead of this site does read: Politics and Culture. Oh, and there is that little thing of commercial viability re the # of posts. But yes, I can see where “hi toto lol” is much more value added than the topic at hand…and of course there are other choices, and/or they can be introduced.
Politics are not for the faint of heart to be sure.
Suzanne: An unwillingness to openly and honestly discuss the HARDQUESTIONSOFTHEDAY — their REAL conseqences and ramifications to the AMERICANPEOPLE — due to the game/machinations/lies/ambush tactics leveraged by the Republicans to CONTROLTHEDISCOURSE — have resulted in an ignorant public who whine about even having to focus on/face a real discussion. Consequently, most Americans seek simplistic answers “from above” rather than roll up our sleeves and dig deep, assuming OUROWNRESPONSIBILITIES as citizens of this great Democratic Republic.
The very idea we, or this website, would NOT focus on and/or make this a daily discussion — for those who take these events seriously — is STRANGE. Further, posting to complain or control or request the founders STOP — when so many are posting comprehensive analyses, is even STRANGER.
People who don’t choose to participate (and many do/have) - can change the channel. Why keep posting to complain, daily — and, why not write a check to HRC if you support her — so we don’t have to when this is over?
Lily,
At first, I thought there was something wrong with this site. Then I said the same thing you did! Enough already with the anit-Clinton rants from the media. With only 3 weeks left, let this thing run its course.
I hope the women of Wow aren’t amused with the in-fighting taking place on this site.
Carol and Lily, I am having the same thoughts. Not much neutrality, nearly zero signs of anyone in support of the H. Clinton. Worse yet the place stinks of overwhelming daily rehash of H. Clinton assassination attempts which are bringing out the worst in and empowering the Hillary haters here as they try to strike the blow that will finally knock her block off, whether they be WOW regulars or frustrated losers who visit this site for no other reason than to spew their sexist and racist BS over the rest of us. Not sure why the powers that be imagine that this is acceptable. Do they buy into the propaganda and, fearing that H. Clinton supporters are thought to be no more than uneducated, dried up old hags, emit as many signals as possible to distance themselves from H. Clinton? Are they going strictly by the numbers and so feeding us more of this junk? Do they enjoy watching the infighting?
I’d expected fair, balanced, interesting and fresh.
There already exists untold numbers of up and running sites on the web which serve as depositories for people who are so impossibly bloated with slanted ca-ca ideologies that there is no possible way to cultivate something better. November can’t get here soon enough and I won’t hang on here waiting for improvement much longer if this is as good as it gets.
Elizabeth, True there isn’t neutrality in a nomination race, people chose sides—that’s reality. I would say the poll numbers above indicate that it is fairly evenly split, leaning to HRC when I saw the numbers. Race and gender are going to be an issue because the candidates are female and African American—another historical first. That there is racism brought up is one of HRC’s tactics. Even the NYT’s that endorsed her had an editorial last week calling for the superdelegates to decide because SHE is using that as a strategy. Then the major paper that endorses you callls for delegates to decide—that’s an indication of facts on the ground. I say if people don’t understand that politics are heated—they are extremely naive.
MEDIAQUOTESONHRC’S RACEBAITINGINCLUDINGFROMNYTIME’S EDITORIAL:
NY Time Editorial “The Low Road to Victory”
April 23, 2008
The Pennsylvania campaign…was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.
If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race.
It is getting to be time for the superdelegates to do what the Democrats had in mind when they created superdelegates: settle a bloody race that cannot be won at the ballot box. Mrs. Clinton once had a big lead among the party elders, but has been steadily losing it, in large part because of her negative campaign. If she is ever to have a hope of persuading these most loyal of Democrats to come back to her side, let alone win over the larger body of voters, she has to call off the dogs.
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NYTIMES:
“South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn, one of the most influential black leaders in Congress, and a superdelegate, said the Clinton’s racially charged comments over the course of the presidential campaign have “incensed” the black community. and almost unanimously believe the Clintons “are committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win.”
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From Capitol Hill Blue, the paper of Capitol Hill
Hillary Clinton’s racist appeal
April 25, 2008 -
By DOUGTHOMPSON
One expects racism from Republicans. The party of the elephant could merge with the just about any white supremacy group and not miss a beat. Hell, most people wouldn’t see any difference.
But overt racism from a Democrat is something else, although it should not surprise anyone that Hillary Rodham Clinton would use racism in her anything goes quest for the Democratic Presidential nomination.
Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania because she pandered to the overt racism that exists among blue collar whites…She won because the bulk of her appeal comes from the less-educated, the less-tolerant and the less-intelligent among us. If you’re a stupid, illiterate, gun-totin’ white hick you probably voted for Hillary. And so did your ignorant, baby-popping, big-haired wife as well as that bleached-blond bar maid that you’re seeing on the side.
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Eugene Robinson- Prominent Washington Post Writer’s Group reporter
“….Clintons took it as a sign of African-Americans’ unconditional fealty, they were mistaken. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that black Democrats nationwide now support Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination by nearly 2 to …It’s surprising that the Clinton campaign has been so aggressive in keeping the race issue alive.”
Keith Olbermann called Clinton’s actions “unacceptable” and “unbelievable.” Newsweek writer Howard Finneman, appearing on Olbermann’s show, said Clinton has clearly “broadened her kitchen sink” attack strategy to play the RACECARD and has escalated the level of nastiness in an already dirty campaign..
My generation of black voters is politically savvy and well educated. We couldn’t care less about outdated notions of party loyalty. We are not our grandmothers, and no amount of candidate appearances at black churches is going to influence how we vote. We will certainly not sit back and allow Democratic candidates to engage in Willie Horton-style tactics, even if the tactics are Willie Horton lite.
Marjorie Valbrun, Washington Post
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From the Black Star News
The Black Star News excoriated Senator Clinton for her ugly tactics for months. “Senator Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill Clinton have used the most despicable, reprehensible, crude, ugly and dishonest tactics: The Clintons used race-baiting, by appealing to some white peoples’ fears about Black people, to tarnish Senator Barack Obama” Black Star News: ”2,025 delegates are required for nomination and Senator Clinton can’t surpass Obama’s insurmountable lead in delegates of 1,681 to 1,544. We have advice for Senator Clinton, Pack it up.”
Suzanne - Allow me to clarify for you - my comment above is about this site - WOW. Obviously you didn’t pay much attention to the spirit of my comment or you would have realized that your response to my comment just adds to flurry of junk this site is quickly filling up with. Why add to it with your cut and paste of biased “news” that has more to do with agenda than solid fact?
Elizabeth—The NYT Times that endorsed HRC calliing for the superdelegates to decide the election due to her race-baiting, etc is junk? the NYT that endorsed HRC and is reversing its support is suddenly “biased’ news, and not fact? Interesting. The site is ‘filling up”? do you have some metric measurements on cyberspace you’d like to share with us, or the capacity of this site’s mainframe. I’d like to know—I love facts.
Suzanne, get over yourself.
I am not sure about your other posts on this thread (haven’t read them) or on the other thread in which you rode my posts trying to manipulate and set them up into your straw man argument and ridiculous stumping so that you could demonstrate just how much of a post-whore you are - but your responses to my posts are, at best, only only superficially related to my statements. Why not just say whatever it is you need to say instead of setting up a straw man? Maybe the founders here will then be able to recognize you for the genius you are rather than just seeing that you rely on argument and misrepresentation to make a point.
zut alors aka Suzanne de Cornelia …
Vitriolic?
Exactly what is vitriolic? That I called you on the obvious straw man tactics? That, based on your embarrassing multiplicity of posts, I called you on being a “post whore”? Is it that I touched a nerve when I hit on the delicate truth? If you want to rationalize the truth away by calling me “vitriolic” that is your right - but it won’t change the truth anywhere but in your own mind.
Elizabeth F—BTW—-I responded to exactly the points you made…that’s what the ‘reply’ button is for.
Your statement: “Not much neutrality, nearly zero signs of anyone in support of the H. Clinton.”
Fact: The poll has shown 50/50 split all day.
Your statement: “Worse yet the place stinks of overwhelming daily rehash of H. Clinton assassination attempts which are bringing out the worst in and empowering the Hillary haters here as they try to strike the blow that will finally knock her block off, whether they be WOW regulars or frustrated losers who visit this site for no other reason than to spew their sexist and racist BS over the rest of us. Not sure why the powers that be imagine that this is acceptable. Do they buy into the propaganda and, fearing that H. Clinton supporters are thought to be no more than uneducated, dried up old hags.”
Fact: That emotional diatribe is OPINION, I provided information from reliable sources like the New York Times. The FACTS that they endorsed her, and THEN called for superdelegates to decide based on, as THEYSAID in the editorial quoted, “race baiting” and other low-ball tactics was dividing the party. Senator Diane Feinstein, in a letter today to HRC also said, as a friend who respects her, and as one of the seniors of the party, she’d like to know HRC’s plans because the FACTS are her futile continuance of this race is dividing the party and threatening the General Election. Whether you care to believe it or not these things happen to be apropos to this race, and this thread.
Your statement: “I’d expected fair, balanced, interesting and fresh.”
Fact: The poll indicates it IS balanced 50/50. No one can vote more than once so it is as accurate to people coming here and voting. No one is prevented from voting. If you’d like to see something “interesting and fresh” you are free to add it. “Post-whore” was interesting to me—have never heard the term before.Not sure what it means. Not sure what ‘setting up a straw man’ means either. I surmise if you like the response to you public post it is ‘fresh and interesting’ and if not it illicits a name calling put down response. “seeing that you rely on argument” YEAH—sorry to give you the 411 but that’s the basis of debate. “and misrepresentation to make a point” the sources I cited are hardly misrepresentation. And if you believe they are—perhaps take it up with the NYT. Sheesh.
Suzanne: There is a desire on the part of some for us all to support HRC because she is a woman — and this is a “woman’s” site — as if we are some kind of “Stepford Wives” monolithic group. This would DEFY the standards of the site based upon the gravitas of the FOUNDERS. With that said, the community will influence the direction and women who are not afraid of taking on the SERIOUS issues of the day and want to delve deeply — will soon know whether this community is for us. Conversely, if this site becomes an online, controlled environment/programming such as “The View” or even “Oprah” — where everyone is cheerful, we focus on makeup or SAFE subjects — then even Yahoo!Life would be a superior place to hang out.
This site is in its infancy and, notwithstanding its prestigious founders, in the online world it is much more competitive and attention is fleeting.
I suggest women stop trying to CONTROL or DICTATE or SHUTDOWN discourse on this site because you will be jeoparding its future. Just change the channel if the content doesn’t serve your particular interests.
Elizabeth doesn’t this remind you of when they made the term feminist a dirty word. Feminist, which is merely the act of being FORFEMALES. Suddenly it became synonymous with a severe personality and all these women were like “Oh, I’m not a “feminist.” Fearful that men would ostracize them.
All this Hillary hating is based on what… what, I ask you? The fact that she is strong? Talented, smart, forceful, competent, a fighter, a winner, a woman of substance, a loyal wife in the face of adversity, an obviously great mother - just look at Chelsea - It’s like they hate her for being so amazing. For daring to be strong. For surviving.
With Hillary it’s all character assassination. I think she is a totally fiercely amazing woman. My respect for her tenacity has no bounds.
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