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Poll | 05/13/2008 6:31 am

Should Sen. Clinton pack it in?

Read more about: Election, Hillary Clinton, Politics

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Renata
Our children can also see the hands of the Republicans constantly MANIPULATING the Democrats Nomination process — as their ONLY path to success, repulsing even lifelone Republicans. The counterpoint to the Clintons left/hold for POWER — is the constant, and acceptable to toxic Fox/Limbaugh Conservatives (not moderates like Bloomberg, etc.) — are the efforts made to support HRC — and exploited by her — to WIN in a triangulated, General Election play. Some of the “support” we are seeing on these blogs for HRC to continue — and the rationale given for it — is an extension of the unified effort on the part of Conservatives to insert themselves inappropriately into our Nomination process. It is evident this conduct has been destructive — and REAL Democrats want Barack Obama to begin planning for the Fall, not continue this sideshow, openly mocked on SNL — while Pat Buchanan and others are positively GLEEFUL. Real Democrats do NOT want this to continue. Republicans do. Our children know Republicans when they see/feel/hear them. They have driven their political world since they were born, for the most part — and, what they have seen, they do NOT like. Nor do they like HRC’s fused General Election Campaign w/the Republicans, validating John McCain over the Democratic standard-bearer. Like the boomers, they studied CIVICS in school. Unlike the boomers, they have not bought into the almighty dollar and the unfettered love of POWER — to the extent they are willing to trade what should be a process with RULES/rules of engagement and fairplay — for the Limbaugh/Clinton/Rove version.
By Renata on 05/13/2008 10:31 am
Deni G
Real Democrats do NOT want this to continue” Real Democrats who want their states to have a voice in these primaries, do want them to continue. Real Democrats who think Hillary is the better choice, want it to continue. Republicans don’t care whether it continues or not. They care that we fight about it; that we demonize each other’s candidate; that we alienate each other. You may disagree with the people who want to continue, for lots of reasons. But that doesn’t mean you are a real Democrat and they aren’t. That kind of talk comes right out of the neocon play book. I haven’t heard Obama say that Democrats who want their primaries to count aren’t real Democrats.
By Deni G on 05/13/2008 11:12 am
Renata
Rush Limbaugh would challenge your assessment/assertion.
By Renata on 05/13/2008 11:20 am
Deni G
Yes…just as you do.
By Deni G on 05/13/2008 12:00 pm
Renata
By Renata on 05/13/2008 12:23 pm
Renata
March 6, 2008, 6:22 pm The Limbaugh Effect on Clinton’s Texas Win http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/06/the-limbaugh-effect-on-clintons… Susan Davis reports on the presidential race. Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh led a campaign to have his Republican followers in Texas cross party lines and vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton in the state’s open primary last Tuesday. Why? Because Limbaugh thinks Republicans can defeat Clinton in a general election. Plus, watching Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama bloody each other in a nomination fight is pure sport for Limbaugh conservatives. According to exit polls, Clinton won a notably higher number of Republican voters than she has in past open primary contests. Of the 9% of voters who identified themselves as Republicans in the Democratic Primary, Obama still edged Clinton 53%-46%. However, that margin is significantly slimmer than earlier contests. In Wisconsin’s open primary, for instance, Republicans broke 72%-28% for Obama. Similarly, in Virginia’s open primary, Obama was favored 72%-23%. Clinton unquestionably secured a Texas victory, but some locals are convinced it was a false win bolstered by dirty politics. Laura Jean Kreissl, an accounting professor at West Texas A&M University, served as an election official in Canyon, Texas on Tuesday. She contacted the Wall Street Journal to report the hijinks she observed at the four precincts that voted at her polling location. Of the 181 voters she personally dealt with, 70 offered that they were “Rush Limbaugh voters” who were there to cast ballots for Clinton. “I’m here to vote for Hillary Clinton, I want to see the Democratic Party implode,” one voter told Kreissl, she recounted in an interview. “I was just stunned,” she said. “As an election official we can’t say anything. We just jot them down and let them vote.” Kreissl, an Obama supporter, said she kept rough counts, but her fellow poll worker, a Clinton supporter, both estimated that as many as two-thirds of the voters were Limbaugh Republicans turned Clinton voters. About 800 ballots were cast in total there. “I’m an accounting professor, I know numbers pretty well,” she said. Kreissl worked a 19 hour day to also help organize the caucus event later that night. Similarly, she said she personally checked in 20 Obama supporters and 17 Clinton supporters. Of Clinton’s 17, 10 identified themselves as Rush Limbaugh voters, she said. She’s convinced the Limbaugh voters turned the tide in favor of Clinton. “I don’t think we were an isolated case by any means,” she said. “I think it was very widespread across the state.” The grassroots group, Republicans for Obama, agrees. “Hillary Clinton owes her political life to Rush Limbaugh,” they wrote on their web site Wednesday. Rush Limbaugh is also convinced. “Don’t Doubt the Limbaugh Effect,” he boasts on his web site. Clinton won Texas 50.9%-47.4%, earning roughly 100,000 more votes than Obama. However, Texas’s two-part system of a same day primary and a caucus is expected to end up netting Obama more delegates when the caucus delegates are allotted.
By Renata on 05/13/2008 12:26 pm
Deni G
No. The popular vote in Texas never had a chance of going Obama’s way. Had the Latino vote been properly weighted, the state would have gone more heavily to Clinton. But the days of doing things properly here, ended with the end of our beloved Governor, Ann ‘motorcycle mama’ Richards. We have high hopes that if Obama becomes the nominee, we can turn the tide in Texas to vote for him. When you live in Texas, you never stop dreaming and you can’t give up. The are those claimed Hillary was bolstered by Limbaugh in Texas. Yet there are many Republicans in Texas who are sick of Bush and are for Hillary. Hillary supporters claimed that Obama jammed the caucuses. Yet I am here, I voted in both and the truth is, Obama was much more organized. I voted for Hillary. But it was Obama’s ability to do such an astonishing job of organizing his people here, that began to make me take another, deeper look at him. A look that culminated, in me switching my support to Obama. I think that Obama looked at the rules here and set his tactics accordingly. That is why we have hope that he can dig deeper into the Texas vote. He will have win the Latino vote over, to do it. And he will have to convince the dissatisfied Republicans, to vote for him. The Republican vote here, could split. 20% of Republicans in Texas, who say they would vote for McCain, said that, given the chance, they would vote for 3rd party candidate, instead. 61% of Texans are fed up with the war. So McSame is not a real turn-on in this state. Anyways…we are working on it here. We have a very interesting Senate race, where we have a real chance to unseat an incumbent Republican! Hallelujah and pass me the cookie dough!
By Deni G on 05/13/2008 1:00 pm
zut alors
Renata-Facts are wasted on Texans, esp those who denigrate ann richards one of the four intelligent people from texas. Ignore them and post away. I appreciated it.
By zut alors on 05/13/2008 10:16 pm
zut alors
Reanta— Auntie Em NEVER has a thing to say but sanctimonious whines. Never contributes anything but she is so above it all. One of the boring people I ever encountered. And Texas. Give me a break. I was there, once, unfortunately on business and couldn’t be paid to return. As JFK said as they were flying into Dallas, “We’re flying into Nut Country Now.” Just some FACTS on rankings of Texas compared with other states: Percentage of Uninsured Children— 1st Income Inequality Between the Rich and the Poor—2nd Percentage of Population without Health Insurance—1st Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores—47th Percentage of Population over 25 with a High School Diploma—50th Percentage of Non-Elderly Women with Health Insurance—50th Rate of Women Aged 40+ Who Receive Mammograms—44th Rate of Women Aged 18+ Who Receive Pap Smears—47th Women’s Voter Registration—43rd Women’s Voter Turnout—49th Percentage of Eligible Voters that Vote—44th Texas has the highest rates for home insurance, 25% higher than 2nd place Louisiana. Deregulation of electricity has resulted in skyrocketing electricity costs. College education costs have soared by an average of 39% in just one short year once again as a result of deregulation. It has the worst air and is considered the worst state to live in in the nation—Austin excepted. But these brainiacs keep electing Republicans….Hence why WVA went for HRC. The rural, largely uneducated states are swayed by things like race-baiting.
By zut alors on 05/13/2008 10:40 pm
Renata
Interesting. Fascinating. Very informative.
By Renata on 05/14/2008 4:48 am
Deni G
Suzanne I wrote the above and obviously you didn’t read it. I adored Ann Richards and praised her in this piece. As I praised Obama. You are making a complete ass of yourself.
By Deni G on 05/13/2008 10:44 pm
zut alors
Really Deni—well guess what I think the same of you and auntie em…I just wouldn’t use the word but let me just say ditto. And I really give a damn what some texan thinks.
By zut alors on 05/13/2008 11:30 pm
Deni G
Suzanne, what you think of me, seems to depend on what time of day it is. I just wanted to make sure that you understood that I praised Ann Richards and that I wrote the pieces that you were attributing to Frannie and then bashing her for. She has a son in Iraq. I do not. She is not in Texas, I am. I have nothing to say about your hatred for a whole state. But really, you live in wonderful San Francisco. You could afford to be a tad more generous to those of us, that don’t.
By Deni G on 05/14/2008 12:07 am
zut alors
Deni- 1) I wasn’t attributing anything in your post to auntie em, I said all she ever does is complain and make thinly veiled attacks against others as she has done in this thread. 2) I also know you are in texas and not she. Perhaps if you and auntie em and mugsy weren’t the sanctimonious trio you could read more clearly. 3) kindly don’t attribute words to me I don’t use, ie “hatred” if a place is the pits that doesn’t mean I hate it…it isn’t worthy of that energy. You three are very sanctimonous and lets see where is any contributions besides what others shouldn’t do, or how the question is “not that *&+$#” again as mugsy so eloquently put it. This happens to be a major story and I don’t see the marshall that dragged you in here and chained any of you to the post. I also don’t see an introduction of a different slant. I also don’t need to be instructed about generosity….I know exactly what I do and for whom and why and what purpose. Sanctimony. Sanctimony. Sanctimony. Big time.
By zut alors on 05/14/2008 12:21 am
Deni G
all righty then!
By Deni G on 05/14/2008 12:32 am