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Poll | 10/17/2008 12:00 am

What do you think of healthcare coverage in the United States?

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Rainbow Power
Right now I feel my healthcare is a privilege. My husband’s employer isn’t required to provide healthcare, but it does. And it is a very good plan. Working for years in the medical insurance industry, I know that healthcare insurance is really expensive. Many people feel it is overpriced and that the insurance companies are making a huge profit, but actually the majority of insurance companies lose money on the healthcare side (the moneymakers for insurance companies are homeowners, life, automobile, credit insurance and personal liability such as dram shop and malpractice). The government acutally hires out administration of Medicare and other Federal insurance. And these organizations administer it according to the way congress passes laws on what to pay under for instance Medicare. These Congressional people are the ones who control what gets paid and what doesn’t. I would much prefer to be under a program like Canada or the UK. My dream is to have everyone covered. I know that is far fetched for right now so for a start I feel there should be price controls put on the doctors and hospitals and other providers which would control what can be charged for healthcare. Right now these providers enter into contracts with HMO’s, PPO’s and others which are for much reduced charges for the specific medical service. Sometimes these reductions are 30.%.40% or even 50% reductions. Why not begin with having lowered charges so that everyone benefits. Believe me, the enactment of a national healthcare plan will not be easy and will not come fast. There are just too many things involved. People are much better off with insurance oriented specific organizations doing the administration rather than the Feds stepping in and doing this. Neither political candidate’s plan is truly a national healthcare plan. These two proposals are biscuits without the gravy. In my opinion, by far the Obama plan would be less costly, cover more people by virtue of an employer tax break and benefit more people. Even though some people think McCain’s will give them a windfall, people should study this carefully before being totally gung-ho. Many might be left out in the cold with no healtchcare at all, and they definitely will never see the $5000 tax credit in their hand as cold cash.
By Rainbow Power on 10/17/2008 7:37 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Appreciate your last paragraph, R P,––––biscuits without gravy–––terrific! I also agree with your assessment.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/17/2008 9:07 am
Agyness O
Rainbow…great post! I do hope that with Obama we start in the right direction and eventually have ALL americans covered. I think we owe it to “the least of us” as others above have said. I am ill with all the money being thrown away in war, earmarks and financial crisis while our nations poor are being thrown out of hospitals and dying on the street or just plainly doing without. I also think it is disgraceful at the care we give our veterans who serve us to the best of their ability and are left to largely fend for themselves. I hope the majority of us realize that we NOW have to take back our government and begin acting responsibly.
By Agyness O on 10/17/2008 3:16 pm
Chrome Toe
I voted for other as I think it’s all three of the choices. I think it’s a “right” in the sense that as a country we have an obligation to see that health care is accessible for people who want it. I think children should be insured across the board. I think as individuals it’s our responsibility to make choices that put us in the best possible position to insure ourselves. I think it’s a priveledge of a country and a society that has wealth. I don’t believe it’s a government responsibility to simply provide health insurance for everyone. I don’t. Anymore than i thought it was a government or societal responsibility to make sure that “anyone” can own a home. I think there are things that need to be worked for on some level. However… I do think it’s also the responsibility of people like Wal-mart and McDonalds and Denny’s and Circle K’s and the Widget factory down the street to provide accesible insurance for their employees. I don’t think there should be a company anywhere in this country whose owners or shareholders or whatever are getting rich whose employees don’t have health care. And by affordable health care I don’t mean that they offer it but the employees portion of pay is such a big piece of their wages they can’t afford it. That’s Wal-mart’s plan. They pay virtually nothing in terms of wages, then offer a health care plan that takes out something like 90 dollars a pay check for people to participate in. Ridiculous. I think our laws need to be reformed to make practicing medicine more affordable for physicians and hospitals. I think that’s another government responsibility. I think insurance companies themselves need to have their asses kicked and their goals readjusted FOR THEM. But I do not think that tax payers should simply foot the bill for a government run health care system. And… I don’t think either candidate at this point has a truly viable health care plan for this country.
By Chrome Toe on 10/17/2008 7:51 am
HA BIBI
Kelly, You said it all for me. I am on this exact page with you and believe the exact same way!
By HA BIBI on 10/17/2008 11:20 am
Lady Gator
Kelly — I’ll second that!
By Lady Gator on 10/17/2008 1:19 pm
Amelie Poulain
That will never happen under your philosophy because the basic premise that you can see that Lilly and I have discussed above is the fact that…..it is unconscionable for anyone to PROFIT from the ill health of another. If you get this to be a “right” of all human beings in your nation, you will see the problem. You do not need the government to be the “insurance company” for health are but to oversee, regulate and pay for the health care bills as they come in. NOT to be an insurance company in the traditional sense…for profit. If its done like it is in Canada or Europe it is not this scary device you seem to perceive. I don;t understand your fears I guess because I grew up knowing that anything that happened to me would be looked after. I dont see your angst. Please explain why you find it so frightening to A) get sick. B) call your doctor and go see them. C) have tests ordered up. D) go in an have an operation as needed at no cost for any of the above. E) go home with a follow up prescription that you actually pay for at a really reduced rate. F) Heal and go back to work. Period. Can you explain what is wrong with that or how this is scary to you? I would love to understand why you think this is socialist. I mean that in the best way possible. I am not being cheeky.
By Amelie Poulain on 10/17/2008 11:42 pm
g c
Amelie, It is frightening because you could be out of house and home, have to claim bankruptcy move in with family or many other things. That is what is frightening about our system because those are the consequences for many of us who are underinsured or independent contractors who just pay for catastrophic care because without a group you are screwed. People lose there homes and livelihoods every day in America because of our health care system. Yes we are so proud of it. It really works! NOT!!!!! We care more about others then we do our own. i look at all the stupid ways we spend money like in Iraq and yet as a country we could not spend 7 billion to fully fund insurance for children in this country. McCain voted against that bill, to fully fund children. That is what is so asinine. Would love for my country to care enough about its people that we could as a nation find some common ground and make healthcare affordable and accessible for those of us that do not have employer based Healthcare and can not afford to pay 800 to 1200 a month for it. There are to many profiting from our system so they instill fear in everyone to control us by telling us it is soooooo bad to be covered, you couldn’t see your own Doctor it would be rationed, you might have to wait to long. It is already rationed for those of us without good coverage just try to see a specialist and even for those with good coverage sometimes it takes 2-3 weeks for an appointment with a specialist. Wouild love to not have to fear A-F but many of us do because there is no safety net. You were not being cheeky just pointing it out in good old common sense.
By g c on 10/21/2008 7:04 pm
carol wilson
This is a tough question. Health care is absolutely vital and the cost is out of control. Insurance companies and drug manufacturers make big money while average folks struggle desperately if a major illness occurs. I have no solutions to provide better, lower cost healthcare. Somebody more knowledgable about the options needs to push for changes to benefit all of us…rich and poor.
By carol wilson on 10/17/2008 8:47 am
Mary NSB-Florida
The only way to lower premiums and eliminate pre-existing limitations is to expand (greatly) the risk pool for the insurance companies. That means that literally everyone must be covered and share in costs. All employers and employees need to assist with premium costs Medicaid must be eliminated. Medicare and all special plans, such as the child coverages in many states could also be eliminated. Save administrative costs so that doctors and hospitals can lower costs At present the hospitals, through their emergency rooms, are going broke because so many can’t, and often just won’t, pay medical bills. Property taxes go up to help the community hospitals from closing. Most treatment must be given via a doctors office… not the ER Perhaps an HMO type where patients elect a local doctor and the doctor receives a monthly fee. It’s becoming more difficult to find doctors that will take any medical plan due to reimbursement levels, especially medicaid and increasingly medicare One last thing must include education for the citizens. It is truly amazing what they consider to be an emergency. If they are not required to make at least a co-pay, they will continue to go to ER’s with colds that still cannot be cured.
By Mary NSB-Florida on 10/17/2008 9:28 am
Diana T
Decent health care is a right, a privilege and a responsibility of the individual to do as much as he/she can to stay healthy. I started medical office management in 1976, and I can say that medical care has changed so much since then. Back then, the doctor made the decision on patient care, with the patient’s best interest at heart. Doctors weren’t under the microscope of the insurance industry, and if they had a medicaid patient that needed an expensive procedure or treatment for a chronic illness, they would take what they could and write off the rest of the balance. Back office nurses and assistants were not necessarily aware of the insurance/payment arrangements we had with the patient, so that all of the patients received equal care. When the Medicare laws changed as technology developed, and the Diagnostic Codes and Procedural Codes became the criteriae for what kind of coverage and what would be paid for, medical care changed dramatically. And, what most people don’t understand, as medical insurance evolved the doctors lost their automony with their patients. I can’t tell you how many temper tantrums I have seen from doctors when someone on the telephone tells them that they are no longer allowed to conduct a test or a procedure because it’s either not covered or “an unnecessary” procedure. A good example is a routine chest Xray. Back in the old days, a doctor would order one for patients—say over 40—, especially if they were smokers or there was heart dx. running in the family. Then, insurance companies nixed them. I once asked my personal physician, when is it indicated to get a chest xray…when you are coughing up blood? Medical care nowdays has become so impersonal, both at the expense of the patient, but also the doctor. Most doctors get very frustrated because they don’t have the automony to run their practices any other way than the gov’t. and the insurance companies dictate. And, most doctors are very serious about the Hippocratic Oath; first, do no harm… At the same time, it is incumbent for us to be responsible for our own bodies. If you smoke, quit. Drink? go to AA. Weight problems?…lose it. Very difficult challenges to be sure, but it is a fact that if we could develop a way to practice preventitive medicine, it would save billions, not only in insurance dollars, but also in hours and dollars in the workforce. For those of us that have terrible medical conditions, illnesses, chronic diseases; those things that happen that we have no control over, it is inexcusable that our rankings are so low as compared to other industrialized countries. Other countries take care of their sickest citizens, and there must be a way we can too. Because they have decided that a healthy nation is a more productive nation, a happier nation and a wealthier nation. As far as children’s medical care, that’s a whole other subject. They have no choices; they are at the mercy of the rest of us. There are ways to do universal health care systems that will benefit this country. We need to look at all options. But, I can say that the best medical care we ever had in this country was in the days before the insurance companies were running things.
By Diana T on 10/17/2008 9:53 am
C Hardy
I have a question…If a company offers lower healthcare plans to those that need it and to the point where most can afford it…Great awesome, BUT if 30% of those people become ill and the cost of Dr’s visits and tests wouldnt that bankrupt that Insurance Company? So its more than just giving someone health care…Dont we need to check at costs of stuff also? My family owns a lot of pharmacies and trust me, sometimes its cheaper to pay cash for your Rx then it is to run it through your insurance company…Ask before you pay, you never know…
By C Hardy on 10/17/2008 10:47 am
f p
CO to answer your question—No, they wouldn’t be bankrupted in the least—you have to remember that insurance companies have assets form various programs and investment. Going broke is the least of their worries. As For Rx—i have yet to see paying cash for meds is any cheaper than using insurance—you have to remember that meds prices are set by pharmaceutical cos, not insurance cos. Or the Pharmacy you use. So going with generic drugs is the best way as long as your physician agrees. And ask her/him to prescribe generic and if she/he will not demand to know why. I take synthroid and i asked for generic but my doc said no and explained that generic synthroid for some reason does not work properly in one’s body though he does give me generic meds for my 2 other Rx.
By f p on 10/17/2008 3:47 pm
C Hardy
Frank, Thanks for the info and I too get generic drugs as much as possible but there are some out there, not many, that are cheaper then using your insurance…Most of the important meds for your heart, brain, stuff like that is not, but some are…Just a matter of asking…
By C Hardy on 10/17/2008 8:37 pm
Sandbee (FB) 54
When my meds are cheaper than what my insurance amount is, my pharmacy lets me know and I pay it that way, unfortunately, I have anti-seizure meds that are very expensive and they take me over the cap on my insurance every year and then I get on line and order from Canada because they have them generic and we do not. That is something I think should be changed, if they are generic elsewhere, they should be here.
By Sandbee (FB) 54 on 10/18/2008 10:43 am