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Poll | 09/18/2008 12:00 am

What is the greatest impact the current financial meltdown has had on your life?

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DeBúrca obj
John McCain: Wrong on the economy when he voted to start this mess. Wrong for the economy now: “John McCain may be trying to pretend he’s a big financial regulator fan now, but in 1999, when Phil Gramm created the legislation that started deregulation, John McCain voted FOR the bill. Joe Biden voted No. John McCain may be trying to pretend he’s a big financial regulator fan now, but in 1999, when Phil Gramm created the legislation that started deregulation, John McCain voted FOR the bill. Joe Biden voted No. Saying he’s for bank regulation is a very big McCain lie. And a big stick talking point when whipping the Republicans on the economy. In 1999, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed 1930’s legislation that had separated commercial and investment banks. Commercial banks, where people deposit their paychecks and do personal banking, have regulation. Investment banks didn’t have that “fettering” as Republicans saw it. John McCain voted for Gramm-Leach-Bliley. Joe Biden voted NO. The act passed 54-44, mostly a party line vote. Yes, Clinton signed the law. But Joe Biden was against it. With the 1930’s Glass-Steagall Act repealed, the theory was competition could happen now in financial services. The evil enemy of regulation was gone, free markets would reign. Mergers happened that couldn’t before. A broader range of institutions could offer a broader range of products. Which grew to include obscure, unregulated financial products with no collateral to support them. Like sub-prime mortgages. Regulated banks couldn’t take those kinds of risks. Unregulated companies could. In March of this year, John McCain was reinforcing his “market solves everything” anti-regulation stance. “I’m always for less regulation,” he told The Wall Street Journal last March, “but I am aware of the view that there is a need for government oversight” in situations like the subprime lending crisis, the problem that has cascaded through Wall Street this year. He concluded, “but I am fundamentally a deregulator.” That same month Barack Obama gave his 21st Century Economics speech at Cooper Union not telling Wall Street what they wanted to hear. Including supporting new regulation of financial institutions: First, if you can borrow from the government, you should be subject to government oversight and supervision. The NY Times has a piece today comparing the candidate’s POV’s. (quote above from it) http://www.nytimes.com/… No matter how much McCain sounds like a Democrat today, back when it counted, when vision matter, when understanding only making rich people richer doesn’t help the economy, McCain listened to his good friend Phil Gramm. Joe Biden listened to reason. Want Phil Gramm in control of the economy? Elect John McCain.” -The Daily Kos
By DeBúrca obj on 09/18/2008 12:07 am
Frannie Em
DeBurca This is predominantly a liberal site. So you are pretty much preaching to the choir. Anyone can go to DailyKos and read this stuff. What have you lost? I know you have had trouble with insurance and health care. How do you feel? All of that ideology is at the touch of our fingers. I would rather talk to a smart woman than an article.
By Frannie Em on 09/18/2008 12:24 am
HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame
Very clever, Jon Stewart on the winners and losers….scroll down. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/18/daily-show-the-economy-an_n_127…
By HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame on 09/18/2008 4:35 pm
Diana T
Sorry, I pushed the button before I wrote my sentence. The article I posted is not ideology. I know how I feel; damn angry at seeing the very thing happen that people have been worried about for a very long time. And, the reality is that when those deregulation laws were gutted by Phil Gramm, it created a system that we are watching meltdown today.
By Diana T on 09/18/2008 9:23 am
Frannie Em
Diana I agree. I am angry as well, I have been angry for a long time. These are tough times, but some threads are here for expression of what is going on with us. Many people have left because we used to have fun on some of the threads, now it seems each one gets hijacked by politics. Politics is not my religion. Other threads were serious, and that is where we took it. So now what is going to happen? DeBurca, you and Suzanne are going to tag team against me? So what. It’s been done before. Is that what really interests you? You seem much more intelligent than that, and have much more to offer. I know that you are concerned, we all are, no one holds more stock in that.
By Frannie Em on 09/18/2008 2:03 pm
HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame
DeBurca, you and Suzanne are going to tag team against me?” Don’t get paranoid, Frannie. DeB and I have no offline communications, strategy, plan etc. whatsoever.
By HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame on 09/18/2008 2:59 pm
HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame
BTW Frannie….there are plenty of ‘fun’ threads today. This one is entitled what does the meltdown mean for you.
By HoBo Economy Thanks Bush-McSame on 09/18/2008 3:07 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne Yes this thread of “What is the greatest impact the current financial melt down has had on your life? Then there was a poll. RE: loss of savings, jobs, investments, and other. Okay. That is asking for personal facts or opinion. You say that other there are many women who read and don’t post, that is true, but if they already agree with DailyKos, they are probably reading it. They don’t come here to read that. Of course the links are great and that is what some people want, but many want to have conversations about the things that are important to them beyond politics. This one is about finances. Sen Obama says that it is “not a blue America, a red America, but the United states of America.” I am with him on that. He is trying to bridge the gap. The people that are on the fence are the ones that you have to win, and you won’t win them with a constant barrage of negative political articles about people they might like, or have voted for in the past. Many of them are independents. Those are the voters that he needs to gain a majority, but the barrage strategy kind of turns people off. It may not on other sites, but I think it is evidenced by how many people no longer post here. People who are in agreement, as many are on this site, of course should have their conversatons
By Frannie Em on 09/18/2008 7:45 pm
Frannie Em
Suzanne, Trust me, I am not paranoid. I don’t even think that you have offline communication or strategy or anything. If one starts, others join in. It is not just you guys. It comes and goes in patterns, not always with me, but with others. Whatever. Do as you please. There is no war on this site, only if the posters bring it here. Doesn’t hold interest for me because of the limited research. Like I said, whatever.
By Frannie Em on 09/18/2008 7:17 pm
Kim Speight
Oh Frannie you are so right… I miss wOw but it has gotten so every thread veers off to politics.
By Kim Speight on 09/18/2008 4:19 pm
Diana T
It happens every 4 years, Kim, but this time around everyone is very worried. Even my European friends are watching this election season with great concern.
By Diana T on 09/18/2008 7:09 pm
Kim Speight
True Diana, we have a federal election on the go here in Canada and I find myself more concerned with where the U.S. is heading. I hope you’re doing well during the awful turmoil in the markets…. I think of all of you who’ve been on wOw since basically the beginning (do really feel a connection and that I know you all quite well… I even have voices for all of you in my head!) and do worry for you. My money is all (well, what there is of it) here and doing OK so far. Lovely to see you again.
By Kim Speight on 09/18/2008 7:48 pm
DeBúrca obj
What are you talkiing about Frannie? I wrote a post, you made a response saying I shouldn’t “preach to the choir” and I never responded back to you… until I saw this one now. How is that a “tag team”???
By DeBúrca obj on 09/18/2008 6:44 pm
J Boylynn
Hear, hear! So many posters do not answer the question, but use the opportunity to complain, n’ces pas? Let’s stick with the questions at hand and comment on political items in appropriate sites, hm? Thank you, Frannie Em.
By J Boylynn on 09/18/2008 11:41 am