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Politics | 12/04/2008 8:17 am

Angry Over Gay Leader, Conservative Anglicans Split From Episcopal Church

By The Staff at wowOwow.com
© AP

Anglican Bishop Martyn Minns sure has the holiday spirit! Not.

Still bitter over the 2003 ordination of openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson, Minns and his small-minded peers came together yesterday to split apart from the Episcopal Church, which represents the Anglican Communion here in the States.

Insisting they’ll be united by theology — rather than simply geography — Minns and other Bishops from Fort Worth, Pittsburgh and Quincy, IL, came together yesterday to unveil what they’re calling the "Anglican Church of North America," a group that includes breakaway churches from the Anglican Church of Canada.

Tensions have been simmering for years, and other dioceses in Africa and Asia have united in their opposition to the broader Anglican Communion’s "soft" stance on gay members and leaders. Nigerian Archbishop Peter Akinola once went so far as to describe gays and lesbians as a "cancer" that needs to be removed from society. What a doll, right?

Though Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the most senior Anglican Leader, tried to bring both sides together, the conservatives seem intent on going their own way. In fact, Minns says he has so much support from African and Asian leaders, that Williams’s blessing would simply be symbolic: "It’s desirable that he get behind this. It’s something that would bring a little more coherence to the life of the Communion. But if he doesn’t, so be it." Williams most likely won’t be backing the group, especially considering that a spokesman for America’s Episcopal leader, Bishop Katherine Schori, described their position as "the official, recognized presence of the Anglican Communion in North America." The official Episcopal group has many more members than this new breakaway: 2.3 million to 100,000.

Other observers also remain skeptical. Jim Naughton, who’s the canon of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, remarked that this new group "does not have much of a future because there are already a lot of churches in the United States for people who don’t want to worship with gays and lesbians." In other words, Minns and company are just a bunch of everyday bigots.

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Belinda Joy
Oh Serena, you are SO right! It’s always the ones screaming “Faggot” by day that are trolling the Gay night clubs and internet by night.
By Belinda Joy on 12/04/2008 2:51 pm
Serena .
Exactly Miss Belinda! And it seems to be the pastors and priests of the world that are caught the most often at this very thing.
By Serena . on 12/04/2008 5:35 pm
Serena .
Belinda, About what you said to Diana T on another post—very, very cool. You get two thumbs up from me. It’s nice to see people encouraging each other on this site. That’s how it should be. I’ve seen some very negative things said over the last couple of weeks. You are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for being a kind person.
By Serena . on 12/04/2008 6:13 pm
Belinda Joy
Thanks Serena, you are so sweet to say that. Isn’t it something that in venues like this you see so many negative comments and heated exchanges, yet there are always certain posters that when you read their posts, they resonate with you. You may not always agree with their views but something genuine about their personality seems to come through the computer screen. Do you know what I mean? I love that. You, along with almost 10 other posters on this site are deserving of the message I relayed to Diana. I am so happy I (by accident) stumbled across this site and have the pleasure to connect with people like you and Diana. YOU are the one that is a breath of fresh air, Dear Friend. Take care
By Belinda Joy on 12/04/2008 6:46 pm
f p
More religious bigotry and hatred. If is isn’t the Muslims, it’s the bible-thumping Christians. Makes me puke.
By f p on 12/04/2008 11:54 am
rocky rocky
Pogrom inquisition witch trial treblinka jihad et al. Marx may have had it nearly right when he said religion is the opiate (and the LSD and the benny) of the masses. The masses (we) are acting like rats in overcrowded conditions, turning on each other, viciously, voraciously. Stop.
By rocky rocky on 12/04/2008 12:23 pm
Susan Gabriel
I love you, guys. You make the greatest comments. As an Episcopalian, as well as a “cancer that needs to be removed from society,” it is heartening to know that so many of you see through this hate-filled, narrow-minded view. Thanks!
By Susan Gabriel on 12/04/2008 12:25 pm
Belinda Joy
What’s that expression? The last groups in America that can be openly discriminated against are fat people and Gays. It appears this is indeed true. How sad. “I don’t want to worship beside a Gay.” Hmmm what Bible are these people reading?
By Belinda Joy on 12/04/2008 12:46 pm
Josie Sullivan
Belinda- My point exactly! What a Christ like example huh? That is not the God I worship.
By Josie Sullivan on 12/04/2008 1:20 pm
f p
The point is they’re reading the bible and taking the old testament view, not the one Jesus taught. How they call themselves Christian is beyond my scope of understanding.
By f p on 12/04/2008 2:29 pm
Diana T
Frank, I hope you read the links I added to my posts. I’ve been dealing with this for many years. It’s not just the gays; that’s the straw that broke the camel’s back. They also do not want women in the priesthood. They also want to alter many of the traditions that have been in place for 200 years. They want a literal interpretation of scripture, which the Church has never ascribed to. But, I still maintain that it will all end up in a bloody property rights fight just like any messy divorce. The Episcopal Church has ALWAYS been an all inclusive denomination. These folks just can’t stand that. Oh, and they are usually members of the Charasmatics. That’s where they really got started back in the 70’s.
By Diana T on 12/04/2008 3:01 pm
f p
Yes I did DI—fundamentalists of any stripe Episcopal or not are incredibly short-sighted in their own ignorance, hate and bigotry. And they have been all-inclusive and male-dominated—more’s the fricking pity
By f p on 12/04/2008 3:40 pm
DeBúrca obj
I don’t know why people are seeing this as a negative story about the Episcopalians. To the contrary… the whole reason this conservative group is breaking away is because the Church itself is Progressive and these conservatives can’t handle it. They have an openly gay bishop and they ordain women priests. The offshoot may be a bunch of dinosaurs but the main part of this denominations appears to be quite Liberal, in fact, I have been considering taking a look at my local Episcopalian Church for that very reason.
By DeBúrca obj on 12/04/2008 6:36 pm
Diana T
DeB, If you have any questions, just send them over my way. I’ve happily been one for 66 years, and we have endured many Holy Wars.
By Diana T on 12/04/2008 7:44 pm
DeBúrca obj
Thanks Diana, I will!
By DeBúrca obj on 12/05/2008 12:03 pm