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Liz Smith | 10/03/2008 3:30 pm

An Appreciation of Our Sisters on 'The View' With an Introduction by Liz Smith

Steve Fenn

Recently, Frank Rich, the op-ed columnist for The New York Times opined that the happening where “The View’s”  Joy Behar intimated to candidate John McCain’s face that he was a liar, put her in a new class in this era as “the Edward R. Murrow” of our age.

While he was being facetious, now comes Time magazine’s James Poniewozik with an appreciation of why “The View” does better presentations, exposures and indications of candidates’ faults than the more traditional journalists.

We agree with him. wOw is especially proud of its association with “The View’s” famous host, Whoopi Goldberg, who is also a wOw contributor, and of our friendship with the head woman, Barbara Walters, who created “The View” after great opposition from many people. She has turned this show into an enormous hit.

And I want to personally defend her from one thing reporter Poniewozik says: “’The View’ would benefit from Walters dialing down her studied neutrality even more.” The columnist may be right but Barbara needs to preserve the even-handedness and fair play that has helped make her famous and she may, at any minute, have to don her news hat to interview a candidate. So she is playing it correctly cool.

Wow is grateful to Rick Stengel, editor of Time, for allowing us to reprint this column and we urge you to check onto the time.com/tunedin link.

THE VIEW, THE PROUD. It’s mouthy, biased and sometimes a train wreck. And the press could learn from it. (No, seriously)  by James Poniewozik: 

No one would confuse ABC’s "The View" with a serious news program. First, because when former President Bill Clinton appeared on the show on Sept. 22, the five-woman panel began the hour by discussing the merits of pantsuits vs. skirts. Second, because the NewsHour probably does not employ a staffer who, as View panelist Sherri Shepherd said on air, does not know whether the earth is flat. And finally, because when Joy Behar questioned John McCain on a Sept. 12 episode about campaign ads of his that she believed were lying, she used the word lie.

Serious news organizations do not do this! They say "misleading." They say "pushing the envelope." If they’re feeling especially feisty, they might note, "Some say this is a lie." But they do not call what they believe to be a lie, a lie. At least not until the camera light goes off.

"The View" tends to get tossed into the category of "soft" media. But that raises the question, When "The View" gives an increasingly press-shy candidate his toughest interview in a while, when it and David Letterman prod the scars of the Democratic primary in interviews with Clinton, when pundits debate the fairness of Us Weekly covers and when Saturday Night Live crystallizes the discussion of sexism and vice-presidential choices, what’s so soft about them?

This campaign was tailor-made for "The View." Like the show, it is saturated with identity politics, it is driven by issues respectable journalists are uncomfortable discussing openly, and from time to time, it becomes something of a train wreck. From the primaries to Sarah Palin, 2008 has been a year of topics—from working motherhood to Americans’ inter- and intraracial attitudes—that the still mostly white and male journalistic élite have had to handle nervously with tongs.

Not so "The View," which has a personal-is-political philosophy and five women panelists, two of them African American. It jumped into the Palin controversies lustily, and in a June interview with Michelle Obama, Whoopi Goldberg raised the subject of the lack of media role models for dark-skinned black women. (Anyone who thinks that diversity in TV news is strictly a cosmetic issue should try to imagine Charlie Gibson asking about that.)

"The View’s" hosts (including executive producer Barbara Walters) get away with this because they do what the more fettered media believe they can’t: address issues people actually care about—as opposed to those the respectable media care about—and say what they actually think. Once upon a time, journalists’ circumspection was a source of authority; increasingly, it just seems like phoniness. And while traditional media are trying to adapt to a bloggier, more opinionated age, they’re still largely accustomed to the old standards of equivalency: the notion that if candidate X commits a transgression, "balance" requires that you find an equivalent from candidate Y—or at least an X supporter willing to claim one.

"The View" — like blogs, like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert—has no such problem. Are its panelists biased? Sure! They talk about their opinions all day. Goldberg and Behar are plainly pro—Barack Obama; Elisabeth Hasselbeck is an avowed conservative. Yet their interviews are actually newsworthy; Behar got McCain to go on the record supporting his surrogates’ attack on Obama’s "lipstick on a pig" remark, and Hasselbeck, in a March interview, pressed Obama for seven minutes on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy.

Granted, in that same interview

Walters called Obama "sexy," which would have been a mite awkward coming from Wolf Blitzer. And Goldberg asked McCain if his support of strict-constitutionalist judges meant that she should be worried about the return of slavery, apparently unaware that the Constitution does ban slavery. But there are still things that traditional journalism could learn from "The View."

First, that transparency works: you know what the panelists believe and can judge their work accordingly. (If anything, "The View" would benefit from Walters dialing down her studied neutrality even more.) Second, that you can speak truth to power and, if you have a following, power will still have to come back to reach your audience. (You could call this election’s crucial swing bloc Wal-Mart moms or mortgage moms—or you could just call them fans of "The View.") And finally, that a confrontational interview is not necessarily a bad one. (Similarly, Obama probably did himself more good in his combative interview with Fox’s Bill O’Reilly than in his softball talk with msnbc’s Keith Olbermann.)

Or in the words of Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton—on that supposedly soft outlet SNL—"I invite the media to grow a pair." Of which there are five examples every weekday morning on ABC.

Reprinted by Permission, Time Magazine

Click here on this text to read my New York Post column.

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Sherrie Crews
Thank you for that link Liz. I think most of what he said would also apply to our group here. We call ‘em like we see ‘em and take no prisoners and I honestly get more real information from our investigative bloggers here than I do from any mainstream media outlet.
By Sherrie Crews on 10/03/2008 3:15 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Sherrie - I only agree with you to a certain point. So much of the information passed along at wOw is misinformation. We saw it happen with all the Muslin references to Senator Obama and certainly most of the allegations against Governor Palin have been proven incorrect, i.e. the 62% cut she made to special needs children in her State budget….not true. We must forever remain viligiant ….and that goes for both Republicans and Democrats and the Independents, too.
By Bonnie Oliver on 10/03/2008 3:34 pm
Meg Madison
There is plenty of bias out there in the news media eg: Fox News and MSNBC. You can take your choice depending upon your fancy, though the majority of straight news shows seem to try and keep it on an even keel. The View is just plain fun. Newsy topics dominate most of the time, but there is no taboo subject it seems, and things can get down and dirty often. Today there would seem to have been a moratorium on politics in favor of wet toilet seats. I far prefer the former.
By Meg Madison on 10/03/2008 4:19 pm
Step away from the BLOG!
Thanks, Liz. I love The View. Even the attractive whinny dolt, Elizabeth, with whom I would never agree….still she contributes something. If only those nicely cut arms of her.
By Step away from the BLOG! on 10/03/2008 4:55 pm
Buh- Bye
I like to hear both sides of an argument. What annoys me is when one side shouts the other side down in an attempt to drown out their “view.” It used to be Hasselbeck shouting down the others, now it is the reverse, and I find it equally annoying. Half the time you can’t understand them when they are embroiled in political or gender-related discussions. They all talk at once. It’s just a mash of shrieking voices. (I pity the poor closed-captioning transcriber.) I also do not like Whoopi’s daily edicts that indicate - this is so - because I have so said it. Other than that, I agree with Poniewozik’s column. They do often tread into forbidden territory and topics and cross ethical lines constantly but it is exactly what people are talking about in their living rooms.
By Buh- Bye on 10/08/2008 7:10 pm
Bonnie Oliver
I never watch the program. There are clips from the show that are then re-aired on a news program, and I have seen those snippets. It seems to be mostly four or five women who talk about issues and then the majority stand against Elizabeth who is the only Conservative. Not very fair… but typical for the ‘left’ to think that they need to shout down their opponent in order to make sure that their side is heard. Happens here all the time.
By Bonnie Oliver on 10/03/2008 6:45 pm
Susan B
Bonnie, there’s nothing “typical” for the ‘left’ or ‘right’ unless it’s drawn from your own predispositions. I wish we could all try to get away from making sweeping generalizations of groups of people. It does nothing towards resolving our issues as a country and a citizenry beyond shoving yet another wedge between us.
By Susan B on 10/03/2008 9:14 pm
Bonnie Oliver
I disagree Susan. There is very definitely a “typical” left and right. If we wish to accomplish anything, then we find a way to compromise. However, there are extremes on both sides that do not believe in compromise and they generally muck up everything so very little gets done. This is the current state of our Congress. By not acknowledging that the harm is being done, is similar to the proverbial ostrich who sticks his head in the ground to avoid seeing what is happening around him/her. I believe in “straight talk”….as does John McCain and that is why he has been successful by reaching across the aisle to the opposing party to find solutions for the good of the country and not necessarily what is good for the “left” or “right” of the political spectrum.
By Bonnie Oliver on 10/03/2008 9:29 pm
Susan B
Then we agree that compromise plays an important role in solving our nation’s problems. We do not agree that John McCain is offering “straight talk,” at least not now. I thought he was much more of an independent advocate a year or two ago. Also, I think that self-named mavericks have far more value in Congress than in the Oval Office.
By Susan B on 10/03/2008 10:12 pm
DeBúrca obj
Well, since you started with the “typical” labels and are labeling what you perceive to be “typical” of the “left”… then you must accept that it is “typical” of the right to shout over people they disagree with, resort to insults (ie. Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly and every other right wing talking head), and to label anyone who is not far to the right, “Left”.
By DeBúrca obj on 10/04/2008 12:52 pm
Andromeda Jakes
Bonnie, Ok, I had written a post response. Then clicked the preview. I needed to edit. Wowowow would not allow it. So no comment from me. They need to fix the site. Hellllo Wowowo.
By Andromeda Jakes on 10/04/2008 4:48 pm
Anne Kalich
Bonnie, I agreed with you up to the point where you said that John McCain believes in straight talk. I think that WAS John McCain, but he jettisoned straight talk along with a few other long held principals when he decided to run for president. He’s been pandering to the far right and talking less than candidly ever since. I’m sorry to see that because even though I’m a life-long Democrat, I always respected John McCain as a person, now not so much.
By Anne Kalich on 10/04/2008 10:08 pm
C jay
Over the past few years television increasingly greets us with screaming heads instead of talking heads. Most advertising is shouted at us, with pathetically poor sound effects (ever see the insipid Sonic ad?), and the hosts shout, yell, and literally act their shoe size (especially the men). At the same time – coincidentally perhaps, but – our nation has lost its centrality, which is tragic, very serious, yet part of the quite boring situation on The View. One has to wonder, at times, if that group of women can ever have a serious discussion without voices drowning others out, total polarity in perspectives, or tears being shed; where did the ability to have a heated discussion that ended up with a “bottom line” and ability to move onward go? As someone said, “the two on the left end have common sense…” I agree. As for poor soul who bleeds out her lone fight against the other women (I’ve only watched enough to not mistake her actions), Elisabeth, from what I have observed and heard from other regular viewers, presents such a dichotomy to the viewers in revealing herself, she becomes the de facto target merely because people have to watch her more closely in order to try and “catch up” with the manner in which she presents herself. Although such personalities are not uncommon for people of Elizabeth’s socio- political persuasion (not meaning “party”) – itself a dichotomy in relation to her actions in real life – she will eventually have to face the music, and realize that weepy dependency won’t help her for long, and she will have to start learning, and thinking independently, if for no other reason but her own little daughter’s learning. A perfect example is Elizabeth’s refreshing social views, and accepting attitudes that she presents in relation to her personal life and, at times her sisters on The View – in a demure, often simple manner; however, her dress often belies that which she attempts to present in word. I realize that women are far more scantily attired in public today; however, there are still quite solid standards; disregarding them reveals far more about a person than what the audience sees.
By C jay on 10/06/2008 1:51 am
mary lou s
bonnie, for good reason i have dubbed john mccain’s campaign “the forked tongue express.”
By mary lou s on 10/07/2008 3:14 pm
Alessan O
What has John McCain been successful at, trying to pass an immigration law with Kennedy, that was out of touch with the American citizens in this country, instead of making sure the laws of immigration that are already on the books. are enforced by arresting and penalizing companies and people who hire illegal immigrants. The neo-cons were up in arms about this, that’s why he flip flopped on the issue when he decided to run for President. He’s a phony, and uses his service to the country for sympathy. John McSame is war monger.
By Alessan O on 10/07/2008 10:50 pm