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Liz Smith | 10/03/2008 3:30 pm

An Appreciation of Our Sisters on 'The View' With an Introduction by Liz Smith

Steve Fenn

Recently, Frank Rich, the op-ed columnist for The New York Times opined that the happening where “The View’s”  Joy Behar intimated to candidate John McCain’s face that he was a liar, put her in a new class in this era as “the Edward R. Murrow” of our age.

While he was being facetious, now comes Time magazine’s James Poniewozik with an appreciation of why “The View” does better presentations, exposures and indications of candidates’ faults than the more traditional journalists.

We agree with him. wOw is especially proud of its association with “The View’s” famous host, Whoopi Goldberg, who is also a wOw contributor, and of our friendship with the head woman, Barbara Walters, who created “The View” after great opposition from many people. She has turned this show into an enormous hit.

And I want to personally defend her from one thing reporter Poniewozik says: “’The View’ would benefit from Walters dialing down her studied neutrality even more.” The columnist may be right but Barbara needs to preserve the even-handedness and fair play that has helped make her famous and she may, at any minute, have to don her news hat to interview a candidate. So she is playing it correctly cool.

Wow is grateful to Rick Stengel, editor of Time, for allowing us to reprint this column and we urge you to check onto the time.com/tunedin link.

THE VIEW, THE PROUD. It’s mouthy, biased and sometimes a train wreck. And the press could learn from it. (No, seriously)  by James Poniewozik: 

No one would confuse ABC’s "The View" with a serious news program. First, because when former President Bill Clinton appeared on the show on Sept. 22, the five-woman panel began the hour by discussing the merits of pantsuits vs. skirts. Second, because the NewsHour probably does not employ a staffer who, as View panelist Sherri Shepherd said on air, does not know whether the earth is flat. And finally, because when Joy Behar questioned John McCain on a Sept. 12 episode about campaign ads of his that she believed were lying, she used the word lie.

Serious news organizations do not do this! They say "misleading." They say "pushing the envelope." If they’re feeling especially feisty, they might note, "Some say this is a lie." But they do not call what they believe to be a lie, a lie. At least not until the camera light goes off.

"The View" tends to get tossed into the category of "soft" media. But that raises the question, When "The View" gives an increasingly press-shy candidate his toughest interview in a while, when it and David Letterman prod the scars of the Democratic primary in interviews with Clinton, when pundits debate the fairness of Us Weekly covers and when Saturday Night Live crystallizes the discussion of sexism and vice-presidential choices, what’s so soft about them?

This campaign was tailor-made for "The View." Like the show, it is saturated with identity politics, it is driven by issues respectable journalists are uncomfortable discussing openly, and from time to time, it becomes something of a train wreck. From the primaries to Sarah Palin, 2008 has been a year of topics—from working motherhood to Americans’ inter- and intraracial attitudes—that the still mostly white and male journalistic élite have had to handle nervously with tongs.

Not so "The View," which has a personal-is-political philosophy and five women panelists, two of them African American. It jumped into the Palin controversies lustily, and in a June interview with Michelle Obama, Whoopi Goldberg raised the subject of the lack of media role models for dark-skinned black women. (Anyone who thinks that diversity in TV news is strictly a cosmetic issue should try to imagine Charlie Gibson asking about that.)

"The View’s" hosts (including executive producer Barbara Walters) get away with this because they do what the more fettered media believe they can’t: address issues people actually care about—as opposed to those the respectable media care about—and say what they actually think. Once upon a time, journalists’ circumspection was a source of authority; increasingly, it just seems like phoniness. And while traditional media are trying to adapt to a bloggier, more opinionated age, they’re still largely accustomed to the old standards of equivalency: the notion that if candidate X commits a transgression, "balance" requires that you find an equivalent from candidate Y—or at least an X supporter willing to claim one.

"The View" — like blogs, like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert—has no such problem. Are its panelists biased? Sure! They talk about their opinions all day. Goldberg and Behar are plainly pro—Barack Obama; Elisabeth Hasselbeck is an avowed conservative. Yet their interviews are actually newsworthy; Behar got McCain to go on the record supporting his surrogates’ attack on Obama’s "lipstick on a pig" remark, and Hasselbeck, in a March interview, pressed Obama for seven minutes on the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy.

Granted, in that same interview

Walters called Obama "sexy," which would have been a mite awkward coming from Wolf Blitzer. And Goldberg asked McCain if his support of strict-constitutionalist judges meant that she should be worried about the return of slavery, apparently unaware that the Constitution does ban slavery. But there are still things that traditional journalism could learn from "The View."

First, that transparency works: you know what the panelists believe and can judge their work accordingly. (If anything, "The View" would benefit from Walters dialing down her studied neutrality even more.) Second, that you can speak truth to power and, if you have a following, power will still have to come back to reach your audience. (You could call this election’s crucial swing bloc Wal-Mart moms or mortgage moms—or you could just call them fans of "The View.") And finally, that a confrontational interview is not necessarily a bad one. (Similarly, Obama probably did himself more good in his combative interview with Fox’s Bill O’Reilly than in his softball talk with msnbc’s Keith Olbermann.)

Or in the words of Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton—on that supposedly soft outlet SNL—"I invite the media to grow a pair." Of which there are five examples every weekday morning on ABC.

Reprinted by Permission, Time Magazine

Click here on this text to read my New York Post column.

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jayne schandl
You really should watch the program, rather than relying on snippets that are re-aired. EH is NOT the only conservative standing against the big bad Liberals as she portrays herself! Whoopi Goldberg, while apparently socially liberal, is definitely fiscally conservative. Conversely, Sherri Sheppard is very socially conservative and often agrees with EH on social issues. Barbara tries to maintain her neutral veneer, but appears to be a moderate Republican. The one shouting down their opposition is Elisabeth more often than anyone else. You’re buying into her PR team’s spin. You really need to view original source material to form an informed opinion.
By jayne schandl on 10/04/2008 12:51 am
Oh! My Favorite
I can tell that, like me, you’re a daily viewer Jayne. I agree with everything that you’ve said. Thank you.
By Oh! My Favorite on 10/04/2008 2:03 am
Dona Howlett
Jayne, I agree with you. I watch the program every day and you’ve really nailed it. When Bonnie describes the “Ostrich with his head in the sand” Sounds like President Bush to me. Also McCain since he seems to follow Bush’s lead in most things. And speaking of “Head in Sand” seem’s to me that the Republicans that seem to think We are better off after 8 years of Bush……………REALLY HAVE THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND. It’s time to lift our heads HIGH and see things for the way they really are………..TERRIBLE after 8 years of Republican leadership
By Dona Howlett on 10/05/2008 10:51 pm
Meg Madison
Oh Bonnie, it is so obvious that you are not a viewer. All that shouting. It seems to come from the “right” more often than not. As well as the pouting, tears and righteous indignation. If things are not fair enough, perhaps the producer should fill the seats in a more mature and equal manner.
By Meg Madison on 10/03/2008 7:18 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Micki Madison - I do not watch the show, as I stated. However, I would never have thought Elizabeth was responsible for all the shouting. From the clips I have seen, she is generally the one to whom the shouting is directed. 3 to 1 or 4 to 1. She must be pretty smart if The View thinks that is an equalization of time.
By Bonnie Oliver on 10/03/2008 9:33 pm
Meg Madison
Bonnie, I fear that you are watching tabloid tv, which seeks to present the “big fights and upset teacarts” that make for headlines. The ladies themselves laugh about the depiction of them on these types of shows as completely innacurate. Even Elisabeth would say so. A ten second clip of an hour show does not represent a fair assesment of all that took place. I do not for one minute doubt that EH is smart. I question the manner in which she presents her views.
By Meg Madison on 10/04/2008 11:53 am
Bonnie Oliver
Micki - I watched another clip shown on Comcast news and it was from a show last week with Elisabeth and Barbara. Not very pretty. It would seem that it is correct to offer up rather blunt criticisms (“she is dumb”) of Sarah Palin but when Elisabeth speaks in her defense she is then confronted by Barbara Walters who wants to know why Elisabeth feels compelled to defend Sarah “all the time”. The question should be why should Sarah constantly being under attacked by The View majority who find nothing admirable about her….so stated Elisabeth. I think the show is for the ladies who agree with the majority, which would be from the left, and not with those who might have some agreement with Elisabeth, on the right. The same is true here at wOw. I think of the 16 founders, only two - Peggy Noonan whom we rarely hear from and Julia Reed whom we seldom hear from would represent the views right of center. This is not a complaint ….but an observation, keeping in mind that the founder Joni Evans has stated that she wants the website to encompass both political sides. I have previously stated that the goal of bipartisanship on this website is failing. As for The View, I don’t know. If Elisabeth leaves would she be replaced with another token person to counter the majority? If the formula works for the show’s success, then yes, that is, indeed, what will happen. We ladies who do not appreciate being outnumbered in a discussion will look elsewhere and leave The View for those who are left of center. No problem as long as there are not false arguments about fairness or equal time being shared on the program.
By Bonnie Oliver on 10/04/2008 8:12 pm
Meg Madison
Bonnie, I am familiar with the episode of the View that you are refering to. As a non-viewer you made a perfectly honest assumption in what you saw that day. As a viewer since day one, and yes I tape just in case I miss comments during the many cross-talking conversations, I saw what could only amount to a Shock and Awe moment - Barbara pressing Elisabeth. To my recollection, this has never occured (at least in that manner) before. Normally, after a shouting match between the co-hosts, during which Barbara refrains from commenting, she reaches over to Elisabeth, puts her arm around her and assures her that she is loved. It is a scene best viewed with a Bromo-Selzer (at least for my taste). What you may not have noticed is that when answering the question re: Palin’s qualifications, Elisabeth’s first response was to launch into an Obama attack. This is quite often the case. All she was asked to do was simply ANSWER THE QUESTION! It appears as if being outnumbered equates to being treated badly in your manner of thinking. Don’t run away Bonnie. Maybe your presence here will encourage other like-minded people to stay on and join your chorus. And perhaps another conservative person would even things out a bit more on The View. Intelligent opinions are always welcome and appreciated no matter what side of the political fence they fall. No one in the world is right all the time and diversity is a necessary to any good stimulating conversation. In the end, I love watching the View and admit that whenever a noteworthy event occurs, political or otherwise, one of my first thoughts is “I wonder what the ladies will say about that”. It’s been nice talking with you Bonnie. Peace.
By Meg Madison on 10/05/2008 11:52 am
EKA -
I have watched the View since day one, through all the hosts… and if I am not here working or are on vacation, I tape it. I love it for the same reason I love stopping by wowOwow - for the smart, sassy, brassy, opinionated women who are not afraid of a good argument, and have no men around to tell them to know their place. And this political season they have had… ( excuse the expression )… the “balls” to ask the candidates the questions we all want answered. That’s why they have been in the news, because newsman are afraid or are so busy sucking up to be sure they get the NEXT interview that they practically kiss them on the mouth. Thank God for these outspoken, outstanding women, even Elizabeth for keeping it even. Best 1/2 hour of the day.. I say 1/2 hour because after “hot Topics” it is lame.
By EKA - on 10/03/2008 8:20 pm
Eve Fulton
Ditto! Although I must admit I do miss Rosey!
By Eve Fulton on 10/04/2008 8:01 am
Zera Lee
A fellow time-shifter! (tape for viewing at a more convenient time.) Are you ready for the shift from analog to digital next February? I recorded a few hours of dead air before I figured out why my converter kept shutting off. I do not normally watch The View, but I caught the one when Elizabeth went dress shopping for Whoopi. She did such a great job I just had to see Whoopi in a dress. Once, anyway. Once in awhile I YouTube The View. McCain did poorly.
By Zera Lee on 10/04/2008 1:12 pm
Frannie Em
EKA If you watch all the time, how have they treated Sen Obama as opposed to Sen McCain? Have they questioned him about his relationships with Rev Wright or Ayers? What about the $100 million Ayers and Sen Obama got for the Chicago school district to improve the quality of education, and the children’s grades did not improve? Nor did the schools. The education complaints did not come from conservatives, but from liberals in Chicago. ( I will have to look it up to link it.) Did they ask him about any real issues except what he was “going to do?” I liked when Rosie was on, she was funny. If her political anger came out, I turned the channel. That is not what I watch it for. I think Joy is really funny, but too bossy. I love Whoopi, her humor, and she is liberal, but practical. I believe that The View has right to question John McCain, but why aren’t they questioning Barack Obama? They question with softball questions. Hey, John McCain has been in the Senate a long time, and made good and bad decisions that he should be questioned on, but even if he gave them the true answer, they would not believe it. Joy doesn’t source from objective sources, so it got uninteresting to me because of all the cross talk, and they talk over each other.
By Frannie Em on 10/05/2008 12:27 am
K L Childs
Hey Liz, your column is always entertaining and thank you for bringing up this subject. Very interesting perception of the View ! Am a long-time fan of the show. Its about time women have more voices in the media and a long time coming. Thanks to Barbara Walters who has always been an inspiration. Her calm impartiality balances out the other “views” that are so freely expressed. And Whoopi makes it for me. After Rosie left, I was not certain I would like the show as well. But again, Whoopi makes it !
By K L Childs on 10/03/2008 11:14 pm
Oh! My Favorite
The View” is my visual daily dose of women’s opinions (as wowOwow is my written dose) on important and trite topics! I enjoy the fun of it and appreciate the seriousness of it, too. As Frank Rich wrote: “The View’s hosts (including executive producer Barbara Walters) get away with this because they do what the more fettered media believe they can’t: address issues people actually care about—as opposed to those the respectable media care about—and say what they actually think. ” Rich wrote further that mainstream journalists spend a disproportionate amount of research and airtime trying to “balance” the flaws unearthed on one side of an issue by throwing up flaws for the opposing side. These journalists (print and media) often try to put forth their views as the final word. The women of “The View” just listen to these guys every day like I do and then discuss what they think of all they’ve heard…just like I do. The women of “The View” bring the troubling issues in to the light of day, so that solutions and education can clear them up rather than treating us like mushrooms…keep us in the dark and feed us manure.
By Oh! My Favorite on 10/04/2008 2:29 am
Mugsy Peabody
If you are interested in real journalism on a global level, Amy Goodwin of Democracy Now! has just been awarded one of four 2008 Right Livelihood awards to be given to her at the Swedish Parliament in December. More details on these wonderful women can be found in my blog at www.mugsypeabody.blogspot.com
By Mugsy Peabody on 10/04/2008 2:43 am