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Lesley Stahl | 03/17/2008 2:39 pm

Ask Lesley: 'When I Hear a Lie'

Lesley Stahl

Lesley Stahl fields a question from a wowOwow reader.

Q: How do you keep yourself composed when you feel you’re being lied to, spun or simply given bland non-answer platitudes by someone you are interviewing?

Lesley: Great question! I think lying, spinning and “blanding” are three different things. The worst, obviously, is the direct lie. When I’ve been faced with it, the hair on my neck and the heat in my chest rise, the nostrils flare, the ears ring. I find maintaining my “composure” becomes a war with myself. The most difficult is when the interview is live, and there’s no chance to edit. Once, on “Face the Nation,” I got so frustrated and furious when a government official — a senior member of Reagan’s cabinet — said something I knew was not true, I scowled and seethed and scolded him! I never went so far as to call him a liar, but that’s what my eyebrows and general body language said, so much so that his wife — who was in the Green Room — exploded and tried to barge into the studio. It was NOT my finest moment.

When it comes to the less egregious spinning, I’m afraid I have covered government officials and business executives for too long, because I’m pretty inured to the ducking and the filibustering, and take them as part of the game. They are so prevalent as deflection techniques, that I expect them.

Several years ago, Jim Baker (he was either Secretary of State or Treasury at that time) said that his goal when he did interviews was NOT to make news. He would actually rehearse as you put it, the “non-answer platitude.” I see my job as trying to penetrate the fog and mist. But I don’t see this kind of obfuscation as evil.

I wonder, though, if the politician or the businessman who employs the fuzz-it-up smokescreen isn’t hurting herself or himself. Don’t you think the public sees through that?

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31 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Dale McDonald
Don’t you think that every person alive would prefer truth-telling to lying? And, so it is that there must be a terribly good story lining the coffers of a big fat juicy lie…And, the wisdom (or whatever it takes) to allow that “truth” to bubble up is the magic of storytelling and storytellers…you being one of the best, Leslie.
By Dale McDonald on 03/17/2008 2:01 pm
Karen Batchelor
Wow o wow! I thought a lie was just a lie. Guess I’m really behind the times although make no mistake, I do see behind the smokescreens. But all this talk about lying, spinning and blanding puts me in mind of that old quote by whomever that “there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.” Do lies come in threes like bad luck?
By Karen Batchelor on 03/17/2008 2:10 pm
Irma Pacheco
We had two mottos we used with our children-1)Be honest from the top of your head to the tip of your toes and 2) Don’t let someone tinkle on your shoes and tell you it’s raining. The problem now is that the news maker spins the lies and the news reporter spins the spin. Our shoes are getting soaked and we’re still being told “It’s raining!”
By Irma Pacheco on 03/17/2008 3:30 pm
l drake
Yes, I see through the question avoidance, but I still wish a reporter would say “but you are not answering the question”
By l drake on 03/17/2008 4:12 pm
Blazedog Rapage
Actually I think YOU and the rest of the media who don’t ask the hard questions and put people on the spot are PART of the problem. Don’t you know how angry we get when someone allows someone to get away with lies and obfuscations. At best I assume the reporter doesn’t want to make waves — but then there is always the possibility that the reporter is too stupid to know what is patently clear to we the simple public who are watching the whole charade with bemusement and anger — depending on how important the topic.
By Blazedog Rapage on 03/17/2008 4:29 pm
Starr Light
I agree with Leslie. The public sees through the person being interviewed or the politician delivering a speech promise. Although things are said, the public takes in the lie feed. More than just hearing the lie, the important thing is to observe the liar while the lie is being told. If you confront the person who is commiting a lie to your face, they often seem to stutter and eventually be caught off guard. The fog begins to lift off of the listener, and the person commiting the lie to your face, usually will look away and from side to side. Composure is the key. They are not comfortable with themselves and you can begin to watch the actions of the liar. The liars that are comfortable with themselves will show absolutely no remorse and usually no emotion. As a public relations consultant I have learned to read people, their actions and to observe them in all types of situations. The spinner spins in all directions, the blander just gets by in the conversation and the liar builds his or her opinion and story no matter the consequences. The interviewer, especially live, will feel the shake down of the liar, but they should never feel evil for delivering the message. Don’t shoot the messenger….but do deliver me the message, right from the horse’s mouth. The fog and/or the mist will part at some point for the listener. Keep up the good work, Leslie.
By Starr Light on 03/17/2008 4:31 pm
Bella Mia
I have a visceral response every time I see the video of Bill Clinton waging his finger in my face and scolding me to believe his lies that he did not have sex with “that woman.” I can feel myself spontaneously flushing with anger and disgust at his deliberate manipulations. But as a mother, I am not as lie-detection savvy as I had hoped I would be. Occasionally, the 9 year old smokes me in a lie, and then, boy, is he in trouble. It’s the angelic face that reels me in. I guess I’m just a sucker for a baby face.
By Bella Mia on 03/17/2008 6:12 pm
Upanaway
Ever notice Obama’s phallic finger wagging at us? Its something many men try to avoid doing, like a gentleman never stands with his hands in his pockets, and takes off his hat in a public building or a home. There are some aspects of social behaviour that tell a great deal about a person, but dishonesty is really covert. Only the finest body-language movements give us a bit of a warning, and then we can’t apply them consistently. What has happened to individual self-esteem?
By Upanaway on 03/18/2008 9:35 pm
Maurine H
What a timely question! I think it’s hard for Americans to believe anything coming from the White House these days. Bill Clinton’s brilliant (if not beautiful) mind was overshadowed by his out and out lies regarding his personal life. The Bush administration has built its record on lie after lie. My reaction has been to become more cynical and less trusting. And, unfortunately, I see the same attitude in teenagers and young adults who will become our future leaders. Eons ago, when I was a Peace Corps Volunteer I was so proud of my country’s integrity. Now… I’m angry and discouraged. I really respect those in the media (like Bill Moyers, for example) who are uncompromising truth-seekers. “Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth. —Thoreau”
By Maurine H on 03/17/2008 8:11 pm
Charles Dance
come OFF of it Coco…I just fed you! You are LYING!
By Charles Dance on 03/17/2008 8:37 pm
Maree Spencer
Reality is that the real truth and nothing but the truth usually gets the public person burned scorched and in the end..toast.
By Maree Spencer on 03/17/2008 9:39 pm
chloe smith
I agree with maree! But we should try our best to be honest!this is a easy going girl with a fun outlook on life, have a GSOH, likes to met new people. http://www.uniformedcupid.com
By chloe smith on 03/18/2008 4:49 am
Bella Mia
The aspect of truthfulness that is most difficult is candor - telling others what you think they would want to know without being directly asked. This new revelation about Gov. David Patterson saying that he never used taxpayer money to pay for sex, evades the question that the average person would like to know…”did he ever pay for sex?” His lack of candor is evidence of dishonesty. As an ethics educator “candor” is of particular interest to me, and an important component of personal integrity. The exception is having candor with the press, and the government, and anyone else who does not have our best interest at heart.
By Bella Mia on 03/18/2008 6:05 am
K Henry
Sometimes I wish those being asked the hard questions would just say - that is no one else’s business - and we could get back to the really hard questions like; how are we going to stop over consuming and polluting the earth, how are we going to stop these wars, how are we going to come up with a public education system that isn’t a joke…. I could not careless about the blue dress or the latest sex scandal, unfortunate? Maybe. Sad? Assuredly. Relevant? In the greater scheme of things, probably not, and wasting huge amounts of time, energy and money. While this is a lame excuse from any angle, obfuscation, clear as mud, has always been part of the political game. Would Thomas Jefferson be electable today? Now - when my son lies to me, which, unless he has gotten really good, is rare, I hit the roof!
By K Henry on 03/18/2008 7:53 am
theCHEROKEErose
the FIRST person you LIE to is yourself..if more people would just live by that simple little rule..but, i guess humanity in general has gotten to the place where they dont care???there is NOTHING i hate worse than a liar…just get out of my face…
By theCHEROKEErose on 03/18/2008 9:19 am