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Lesley Stahl | 03/17/2008 2:39 pm

Ask Lesley: 'When I Hear a Lie'

Lesley Stahl

Lesley Stahl fields a question from a wowOwow reader.

Q: How do you keep yourself composed when you feel you’re being lied to, spun or simply given bland non-answer platitudes by someone you are interviewing?

Lesley: Great question! I think lying, spinning and “blanding” are three different things. The worst, obviously, is the direct lie. When I’ve been faced with it, the hair on my neck and the heat in my chest rise, the nostrils flare, the ears ring. I find maintaining my “composure” becomes a war with myself. The most difficult is when the interview is live, and there’s no chance to edit. Once, on “Face the Nation,” I got so frustrated and furious when a government official — a senior member of Reagan’s cabinet — said something I knew was not true, I scowled and seethed and scolded him! I never went so far as to call him a liar, but that’s what my eyebrows and general body language said, so much so that his wife — who was in the Green Room — exploded and tried to barge into the studio. It was NOT my finest moment.

When it comes to the less egregious spinning, I’m afraid I have covered government officials and business executives for too long, because I’m pretty inured to the ducking and the filibustering, and take them as part of the game. They are so prevalent as deflection techniques, that I expect them.

Several years ago, Jim Baker (he was either Secretary of State or Treasury at that time) said that his goal when he did interviews was NOT to make news. He would actually rehearse as you put it, the “non-answer platitude.” I see my job as trying to penetrate the fog and mist. But I don’t see this kind of obfuscation as evil.

I wonder, though, if the politician or the businessman who employs the fuzz-it-up smokescreen isn’t hurting herself or himself. Don’t you think the public sees through that?

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31 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

M. G.
I was sitting in an office one day waiting for an appointment that was running real late when I spotted a book by Lillian Glass, Ph. D called “I Know What You’re Thinking”. What an eye opening book. As soon as I left my appointment I went to the book store and bought it. It is a must read for everyone. If you are hiring someone the book How to Spot a Liar in a Job Interview by Wayne D. Ford Ph. D is also a good one.
By M. G. on 03/18/2008 9:22 am
Marlys http://web.mac.com/marlysart
Even if you can’t/won’t call the person a liar on camera; can’t you just look right into the camera and ask “Is it is just me?” At least they, and the viewing public, will know that you aren’t letting the lie go.
By Marlys http://web.mac.com/marlysart on 03/18/2008 9:30 am
Viviane Kaneff
I realize that the journalist has no control over the type of response they will get. What irritates me the most is the non-answer or total evasion. Do the politicians really believe that we haven’t noticed that they totally side stepped the question? I appreciate the difficulty the interviewer has and the need for them to remain impartial and not appear to be hectoring their subject, but I truly wish they would come back more often with: ” but you did not answer the question”.
By Viviane Kaneff on 03/18/2008 10:04 am
Diana Marrero
Funny thing about lies is that they hurt everyone that hears or speaks them. A liar is a liar whether he/she lies in his business or personal life, as business and personal go hand in hand. Bill Clinton was a “beautiful and or brilliant mind”, but it was his personal lies that destroyed him, yet President Bush lies in office..Oh, ok. At least President Bush isn’t playing hide the cigar with his intern! Let’s face it folks, some people lie so much that they themselves start to believe said lies. It’s a sickness, and a lot of today’s leaders and leader wannabees are sick!
By Diana Marrero on 03/18/2008 1:07 pm
Suzanne O
Lying has become so pervasive in our society that we have lost sight of the fact that lying is not acceptable. We teach our children not to lie then we tell them not to tell someone they are fat (a lie) because it will hurt their feelings, now they learn it is better to lie than to tell the truth. Politicians have adopted the idea that you can do whatever you want, when caught they deny it or appologize for it but the damage has already been done. We seem to tolerate it for the most part. Why aren’t we incensed by the fact that we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction and an unecessary war was started. The media could have checked the facts, the inspectors knew that there were no weapons. Thou shalt not bear false witness means Don’t LIE !
By Suzanne O on 03/18/2008 1:16 pm
Sherrie Crews
I’ve come to think of lying as part of the job description for politicians. A truly honest person couldn’t survive in our political system. She/he would be eaten alive. But there are degrees of acceptability. Sometimes it’s just a minor annoyance to be expected because they’re what they are. Sometimes it’s appalling. It’s sort of like mentally visualizing it as a coating of scum on them. The depth, viscosity, and degree of repulsiveness of that scum depends on the subject being lied about and the potential for damage to the people of this country. Example: Bill Clinton lied about Monica, victimless crime, country’s doing fine, that amounts to a light skim of stale olive oil. Bush lied about WMD and connections to Al Qaeda, thousands die, country is in economic shambles, that amounts to total submersion in gelatinous sewage.
By Sherrie Crews on 03/18/2008 3:59 pm
Marie McConnell
I try to give everyone the benefit of a doubt when it comes to lies. I don’t like them but I know that at times, you have to lie. Doesn’t make it right but hopefully you aren’t hurting anyone with the lie.
By Marie McConnell on 03/18/2008 5:41 pm
Teresa Proctor
I believe it is a matter of integrity. When you chose to live within your integrity your standards naturally rise too. Every time someone choses to lie, spin the truth, or bland the truth, they are dishonoring themselves. I chose not to live my life like this and I also chose to hear the truth/lie in someone else. I have compassion for that person because of the amount of EGO and Fear they are carry! As I say to my daughter is that the truth, or is that a story? The truth is always their if you listen with your heart
By Teresa Proctor on 03/18/2008 9:02 pm
Upanaway
Liars bother me because I don’t have the ability to remember what I’ve said long enough to do a good job it lying. OTOH, I love storytellers - they’re fabulous, and I sink in and absorb every syllable they utter. Now, for the most part, I don’t pay much attention to what people say, only how they trip themselves up, and begin to repeat their protestations, then I notice, and start connecting the dots. Otherwise, I take people at face value, and let them “go.” It’s far more comfortable to live like this, enjoying others. That being said, I don’t believe anyone who’s acquired or is trying to acquire a golden parachute on my tax bill. They have an agenda, and not one of those elected for the past few decades has been a true guardian of our nation, or Consitution, and I can’t think of one who know enough history, or con law to function in elected office. The fish rot from the head down. Cherokee Rose, I guess we’ve all been lying to ourselves.
By Upanaway on 03/18/2008 9:30 pm
Linn Madsen
Dear old Dad used to say, “If you tell yourself a lie, enough times, pretty soon, you begin to believe it”. That’s what the news has become, a gigantic propaganda machine. Bush’s lies make me violently angry. Truthfully, I can’t watch it anymore because it’s such a joke. It might be baaa baaaaaaaad for me. ;) Recently I changed Dad’s quote to: “If you tell yourself a lie, enough times, pretty soon, you become …….a Republican!”
By Linn Madsen on 03/19/2008 9:22 pm
Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye
Linn, Agree. You’re right that the media is a propaganda machine that perpetuates itself because IF anyone in the media dares to tell the truth, as Dan Rathers said, they have the equivalent of a burning tire placed around their necks. Even as savvy as I THOUGHT I was….when Hillary referred to ‘The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” I said to myself…oh, come on. But she was right. (Although like Spitzer her sophomoric husband provided his enemies material.) The good news is that people with brains are flocking from listening to the MSM to collective media blogs. For instance every morning I scan through The Toronto Sun, The International Herald, Le Monde Diplomatique, Der Speigel (naturally all translated) The Asian Times. Then we have those who watch Fox News….and this cosmic size gulf in comprehending the world that becomes a conversations between two aliens. ie, my GOP dad and I. I reconcile the difference by never letting him know it exists, affirming what I love in him, ignoring his digs, and changing the subject to something on which we agree: Golden Retrievers, etc.
By Buh-Bye Hillary Hillary Buh-Bye on 03/29/2008 2:25 pm
Mouse Mcm
We are taught as children not to lie, growing up we had to swear on the bible that we weren’t lying. Now days politicians, and social lites lie. Telling the truth and being humble is a sign of growth and evolving in ones life. If we contuie to watch politicians and social lites lie, and get away with it due to the media not being able to get the truth out of one. What are we telling our children of the future. It’s okay he did, she did, and got away with it. Who are they really protecting eventually it’s going to come out, so just tell the truth. I think most of us would rather know the truth than hear a lie, and later the truth.
By Mouse Mcm on 03/20/2008 8:17 am
Mouse Mcm
I hate to be lied to and to hear a lie, it’s degrading not only to the public, but to the one telling a lie. Makes you wonder whom to believe and not believe. Has our society of politicians and people in general natural for them to lie. I didn’t do that, and you can have all the evidence right in front of your face. Makes me want to throw up…………..
By Mouse Mcm on 03/20/2008 8:21 am
Michelle Davis
Couldn’t the journalist just state, when lied to in an interview, that the alleged lie contradicts this other evidence or statement and would the interviewee like to comment on the contradiction?
By Michelle Davis on 03/20/2008 11:13 am
Kay Sara
When someone lies to me- it makes my blood boil because I find it so insulting to my intelligence that they think they can B.S. me I feel if a person is so low to lie straight to someone’s face then they deserve to be called a bold faced liar in public. I have been in corporate meetings where everyone in the meeting knows a person is lying and no one dares call them on it. i do not understand this- never did. If you lie- you should face the consequences of being called exactly what you are- a liar. I hate liying and that was the only infraction from my kids that would result in them getting a spanking when they were little. Now I have to great honest kids who understand the consequences of lying is much worse than the consequences of whatever it was they did others would lir about it.
By Kay Sara on 03/21/2008 8:49 am