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Politics | 10/01/2008 10:10 am

Biden Has Own Pitfalls to Avoid in Debate Against Palin

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

While everyone is focusing on Sarah Palin and how she’s going to fare in Thursday night’s much-anticipated debate against Sen. Joe Biden, the Democrat from Delaware has some obstacles of his own to avoid on the big night.

The New York Times reports on the dangers for Biden heading into the debate.

One is that he has a habit of speaking authoritatively, of saying he possesses the truth, which will come across as overbearing or condescending, particularly toward someone like Palin, who lacks his foreign policy — or most other — credentials. He’s practicing against Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is playing the role of Palin, to make sure he doesn’t come across too sexist.

The only other time a woman has appeared on the debate stage as part of a major-party ticket was in 1984, when Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, faced Vice President George Bush. And that didn’t go well for Bush, who appeared condescending. Biden also has an innate exuberance and often speaks without stopping for air, which could make him sound like he is hammering away at his point, as well as his opponent.

CBS News also reports on how Biden’s freewheeling style sometimes leads him to say things that either don’t reflect campaign positions or misstate basic facts.

For example, in an interview with CBS News that aired last week, Biden described how Franklin D. Roosevelt had appeared before the country on television in 1929 to explain the stock market crash. But Herbert Hoover was president in 1929, and TV sets weren’t in American homes until a decade later.

In that same interview, asked about an Obama campaign commercial that mocked Sen. John McCain’s lack of computer skills, Biden called the ad "terrible" – a gaffe not missed by the GOP machine and McCain’s camp. Obama aides later issued a statement under Biden’s name in which the senator from Delaware said he had not personally seen the commercial and didn’t have any concerns after he watched it.

The next day, Obama had to say, "I think Joe should have waited" before commenting on the bailout of insurance company AIG. Biden said he opposed the bailout, but Obama had supported it.

McCain’s campaign on Wednesday released a statement from Chief Warrant Officer 4 Michael J. Durant (Ret.), on Biden’s "apparently false accounts" of near-misses during past visits to Afghanistan and Iraq. Biden has claimed he was "shot at" while visiting Iraq and more recently said his helicopter was "forced down" in Afghanistan.

Those claims were "leaving his audience with the impression that it was fire from the Taliban which had grounded the aircraft," Durant said. "Neither of these stories appears to be true, and Sen. Biden has never accounted for the discrepancies."

"I’ve been on a helicopter that was ‘forced down’ by enemy fire, and I’ve been ‘shot at.’ Neither is easily confused with being caught in a snow storm or awakened by a loud bang in the night. Sen. Biden has a responsibility to come clean on what actually happened, and explain why he would ever say such things to the American people."

But Obama’s campaign says they’re still going to let Biden rip when he has to.

"Unlike other campaigns that sequester running mates, we’ll proudly continue to unleash Joe Biden to be Joe Biden," said Biden’s spokesman David Wade, referring to the McCain campaign shielding Palin from the media.

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Eliza Dodd
McCain’s Condescending Attitude September 26th, 2008 By DORIAN DE WIND I know there will be volumes of very detailed and in-depth comments on the first Presidential debate by far much more knowledgeable and experienced analysts and pundits. To me, an ordinary citizen, an ordinary American, what I was struck most by and what I will remember the most is the condescending, dismissive, contemptuous, patronizing, almost insulting, verbal and non-verbal attitude and body language displayed by Senator McCain towards his opponent, and colleague, Senator Obama. During an almost two hour debate, McCain did not look Obama in the eye even once. While I do not know what McCain’s reason was for such behavior, I thought it was very offensive. I was personally offended by McCain’s attitude towards a fellow American. Again, that’s just a first gut impression by an ordinary American. Whether McCain’s insolence will have any effect on the polls, is an open question. And, while some may claim that McCain “won” the debate, in my opinion, he absolutely lost it in terms of manners, and civility. Now, I’ll let the experts analyze the debate. Share this with everyone you know …and call Biden ! kucinich.us Biden needs Dennis Kucinich ….and he needs to stay with the course !With Kucinich’s plan we will win Hands Down ! Like Never before in History …if only America Would Wake UP ! <<
By Eliza Dodd on 10/01/2008 9:19 am
Brooklyn Gal
Biden has had this problem for as many years as I can remember. And after Hillary’s warfare experience debacle. I am surprised Biden would play the same card. I wouldn’t be surprised if Palin’s people are prepping her to be in pit bull mode so she could trip up Biden. And if this happens, we will have a McCain victory because she is the one who is really the head of that ticket. McCain did win that first debate. He put Obama on the defensive, and Obama gave up so many opportunities to bring up McCain’s lack of support for veterans. He allowed McCain to talk over him. And he was told before the debate he would have to also be a pit bull. Hey Obama!! I did not donate to your campaign because you are a gentleman during a debate!!! Once again (and this seems to be the history) Dems have a way of screwing things up. Biden might be a lot smarter than Palin, but I am still keeping my fingers crossed.
By Brooklyn Gal on 10/01/2008 9:55 am
Mary NSB-Florida
The veterans will need to attack Senator McCain, and that happens with the ones that are not part of his posse. Senator McCain gets… alot… of breaks because of his POW record and is an elder statesman. His “epiphany” came during his confinement. I am a child of that time and lost friends that served… they loved their country and died. Senator Obama wasn’t in the military so he wouldn’t be seen as a “peer” by many veterans and not all of them have required help. Those that have needed our support have been let down. Senator Obama’s grandparents seem to have had a good influence on him. The unspoken problem and one of the double standards, even in this day and age, is that anger is more acceptable in this country when it comes from an older white man. As a member of the “independent white women voter” group I’m still looking forward to the time when that isn’t an issue.
By Mary NSB-Florida on 10/01/2008 10:39 am
Jennifer Dooley
It is really kinda of sad, that being a nice guy, is no longer favorable in this world. I still look up and admire the Nice guys. Biden has done so many wonderful and positive things in his service to this country. Service toour country comes in more forms than military. He is also a man that Walks his Talk. If you were to see a movie of his life, you would be hard put not to admire him, much like Ted Kennedy in working for the American Joe.. Not that he is without mistakes, but when one is made, it is how he responds that sets him apart. This debate reminds me of an event that happened to my youngest Son. While in the 7th grade he joined the wrestling team. At the League Championship he had to wrestle a girl. He just could not win for losing . It was awful to see my Son in this position. His team needed the win to take the Championship. My son could easily win the match, he was a undeafted wrestler in the league. He avoided contact with her the first 2 rounds. Now with pressure from his team mates and coaches, he took her down. He looked up at the ref with tears running down his face and pleaded for him to call the match.” Please don’t make me pin her”.. He won by points, was teased for beating a girl and he never wrestled again! I have to give Hillary Clinton credit , their would not be the issue of, Man can not do their best when a Woman is the opponent, with out looking like a male chauvinist pig. She never gives the air of treat me different. She enters the “Ring” expecting to be treated just like one of the guys. Not that she is lacking femininity, but rather has the intelligence to want to be treated as a complete equal. When you step into the ring of Politics, the girl card needs to be left at home! Palin is allowed to be down right nasty and sarcastic in her talks about Joe Biden. She can dish it out, but how dare anyone treat her in the same way.(outside of the comics and the wOw women)) It was pathetic when McCain came on to the Katie Couric interview to defend her from the gotcha Katie. How can she be a VP and take on the Men around the world if she needs a watch dog by her side?
By Jennifer Dooley on 10/01/2008 12:51 pm
Ms. Dee
I’m still waiting for someone to count the times Obama said to McCain in last Friday’s debate, “That’s not true.” And then tell me whether what McCain was say was true, false, or debatable.
By Ms. Dee on 10/01/2008 2:55 pm
Jennifer Dooley
CNN does a daily Truth or not segment . Check out their web site.
By Jennifer Dooley on 10/01/2008 3:05 pm
Tee Zee
10:20 p.m. McCain seriously mistated his vote concerning the marines in Lebanon. He said that when he went into Congress in 1983, he voted against deploying them in Beirut. The Marines went in Lebanon in 1982, before McCain came to Congress. The vote came up a year into their deployment, when the Marines had already suffered 54 casualties. What McCain voted against was a measure to invoke the War Powers Act and to authorize the deployment of U.S. Marines in Lebanon for an additional 18 months. The measure passed 270-161, with 26 other Republicans (including McCain) and 134 Democrats voting against it. —Glenn Kessler 10:12 p.m. McCain accused Obama of wanting to stage “military strikes” inside Pakistan, which is a misleading account of what Obama famously said in 2007: That he would be willing to go after Al Qaeda targets inside that country with or without the approval of the Pakistani authorities. “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will,” Obama said. —Michael Abramowitz 10:02 p.m. When discussuing what ways he would save money in the federal budget, McCain said, “Look, we’re sending $700 billion a year overseas to countries that don’t like us very much.” This is a line he used in his campaign acceptance speech, but as a matter of context he was not talking about foreign aid. That only amounts to $39 bllion a year, most of which is economic aid. McCain instead is talking about the amount of money that Americans spend on foreign oil, though some experts think that figure is a bit high. It certainly is not part of the federal budget. —Glenn Kessler 9:58 p.m. In a contentious exchange, John McCain said Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had called Barack Obama’s Iraqi troop withdrawal plan dangerous, a charge Obama strenuously called untrue. In fact, in July, Mullen, addressing a plan that would remove all combat troops by 2010, did say on Fox News, “I think the consequences could be very dangerous. I’m convinced that making reductions based on conditions on the ground are very important.” —Jonathan Weisman 9:54 p.m. Obama and McCain got into a little argument over whether the Illinois senator has oversight responsibility for Afghanistan in the U.S. Senate. Obama is the chairman of the Europe sub-committee of the Senate Foreign Relations Comittee. Obama’s sub-committee is responsible for NATO affairs. Since NATO has troops in Afghanistan, McCain can claim that Obama’s committee has an interest in what is happening in Afghanistan. It is true that he did not hold hearings of the sub-committee while he was out on the campaign trail. On the other hand, Obama can claim that his sub-committee is not primarily responsible for Afghanistan. Another sub-committee has oversight responsibility for the South Asian region. —Michael Dobbs 9:52 p.m. John McCain correctly asserted that in 2003 he began to question the Iraq war strategy, which is correct. In November 2003, he criticized the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq war, saying the United States should send at least 15,000 more troops or risk “the most serious American defeat on the global stage since Vietnam.” But he has also made later, more rosy pronouncements. After visiting the Shorja market in Baghdad in April 2007, where he was protected by more than 100 soldiers, McCain said, “Things are getting better in Iraq, and I am pleased with the progress that has been made.” Privately, according to a recent book by Bob Woodward, he was more critical, telling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, “We may be about to lose the second war in my lifetime.” —Glenn Kessler 9:50 p.m. During the debate, McCain once again took credit for his crusade to block a new contract for Boeing for a new fleet of midair refueling tankers. He said he saved taxpayers more than $6 billion while launching a Senate probe that found cozy relations between Pentagon officials and Boeing executives. But the GAO found significant problems in the rebidding of the new contract, which had awarded the contract to a partnership between Northrup Grumman and the European firm EADS. “This shows how a sort of naive crusade for good government can actually backfire,” Loren Thompson, of the Lexington Institute, a defense think tank, told Newsweek. —Michael Abramowitz 9:45 p.m. John McCain raised an old Republican canard, repeated often in the primaries, when he claimed that Obama’s health care plan would eventually turn the health care system over to the federal government. The Illinois senator proposes helping individuals purchase health insurance through a system of subsidies and tax credits. He is also in favor of mandatory health insurance for children. But he is not advocating a state-run health system, such as the one that exists in Britain and some European countries. Under the Obama plan, individuals will still be free to choose between different types of health insurance, and will be able to choose their own doctors. —Michael Dobbs 9:39 p.m. McCain, rebutting Obama’s correct observation that earmarks are a small part of the budget, said, “But the point is, that you see, i hear this all the time. It’s only $18 billion. Do you know that it’s tripled in the last five years? Do you know that it’s gone completely out of control to the point where it corrupts people?” But while federal earmarks tripled in size from 1996 to 2005, they have actually dropped in recent years. According to the White House Office of Management and Budget, in fiscal year 2005 Congress inserted 13,492 earmarks totaling $18.9 billion for appropriations accounts. In fiscal year 2008, there were 11,524 earmarks totaling $16.5 billion for appropriations accounts. —Glenn Kessler 9:33 p.m. John McCain claimed that Obama voted in the Senate to raise taxes on anyone making more than $42,000 a year. This is misleading on several levels. The vote that McCain is talking about was a non-binding resolution on the budget that envisioned letting the Bush tax cuts to expire, as scheduled, in 2011. But these budget resolutions come up every year, and do not represent a vote for higher taxes in future years. In fact, Obama has said that he will continue the Bush tax cuts for middle and low-income taxpayers. He says that he will cut taxes for all but the wealthiest tax-payers. —Michael Dobbs 9:21 p.m. John McCain kicked the evening off with a wild exaggeration by describing the allied invasion of Normandy as “the greatest invasion” in history. Such historical comparisons are always dangerous. In scale, the D-Day landings were far exceeded by Operation Barbarossa, the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, in June 1941, and the Soviet invasion of Germany at the end of World War II. A total of 326,000 allied troops took part in the initial D-day Landings in June 1944. By comparison, Hitler’s sent an army of 4.5 million men into the Soviet Union in June 1941along a 1,800 mile front. —Michael Dobbs
By Tee Zee on 10/01/2008 10:26 pm
Ms. Dee
Lovely! Tee Zee, Thank you!
By Ms. Dee on 10/01/2008 10:53 pm
Belinda Joy
Oh this is a great topic to discuss. I have from the first moment Obama chose Biden as his running mate thought “what was he thinking?” I say that because of all of the negative things I had heard Biden say about people of color and his unfortunate health condition, you know…”foot in mouth disease” He trashed Sen. Obama on the campaign trail in the worst of ways. So although I think Sarah Palen probably will hold her own against him tomorrow night during the debate, Joe Biden is the one I will be expecting to make the most gaffs. He reminds me of the guy I work for, constantly saying inappropriate and inaccurate statements with the air of “What? Did I say something wrong? It will be interesting. I’ll have my favorite pajamas, a bowl of popcorn and the remote in one hand tomorrow night for sure. This is the equivalent of the Super Bowl in my opinion. Who will win? We’ll see…..
By Belinda Joy on 10/01/2008 3:54 pm
sibelle daubigne
Biden is a real clown! Him and Palin on stage will be a lot of fun!
By sibelle daubigne on 10/01/2008 11:35 pm
HA BIBI
I believe if need be, the “Pit bull with the lipstick on” is going to show that her bite is far worse than her bark!
By HA BIBI on 10/02/2008 12:15 am
Chrome Toe
wow… how sexist is it to purposely dumb yourself down in order to not appear sexist. what the hell is wrong with us? if the guy is an authority on foreign policy and he wants to speak authoritatively… let him!
By Chrome Toe on 10/02/2008 9:14 am