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Politics | 11/24/2008 11:20 am

California's Proposition 8 Backers Try to Cut Ties With Extremist Fringe Groups

By The staff at wowOwow.com
© AP

Even though gay-marriage opponents won at California’s ballot box on November 4, they’re now trying to cut ties with some groups they consider too extreme for comfort.

While opponents of Proposition 8 take their legal challenges to the state supreme court in protest, those behind ProtectMarriage.com, which put the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage on the November 4 ballot, are trying to weed out the fringe elements.

"We represent the people who got things done, who got Prop 8 passed," Andrew Pugno, general counsel for the Yes on Prop 8 campaign, told The San Francisco Chronicle. "An important part of defending Prop 8 is eliminating arguments not helpful to our concerns."

One group Yes on Prop 8 is trying to cut ties with is the Campaign for California. Prop 8 advocates have for years been feuding with Campaign for California chief Randy Thomasson – a vocal opponent of gay rights. Pugno says the group represents “the extreme fringe and is not representative of the coalition that got it passed.”

The Los Angeles Times says that on the other side of the debate, many in liberal Hollywood who fought to defeat Prop 8 are trying to figure out how to deal with those in their industry who backed the measure. Should those who donated money to the cause be blacklisted from the industry? Shunned? What about fired?

Meanwhile, The New Yorker reports that the opponents of Prop 8, those defending equal access to marriage, think the reason they couldn’t defeat the measure this year was more their message, not substance. Hendrik Hertzberg writes:

They were complacent: early polls had shown Prop 8 losing by double digits. Their television ads were timid and ineffective, focussing on worthy abstractions like equality and fairness, while the other side’s were powerfully emotional. (Also dishonest — they implied that gay marriage would threaten churches’ tax exemptions, force church-affiliated adoption agencies to place children with gay couples, and oblige children to attend gay weddings — but that sort of thing was to be expected.) Barack Obama, like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, had come out against Prop 8, yet the No-on-8 forces let Obama’s popularity be used against them: a mass mailing suggesting that the Democratic nominee was for it went essentially unanswered.

This year, California and Florida passed gay-marriage bans, while Arkansas approved a measure that doesn’t allow gay individuals to adopt children. “All this has about it the feel of a last stand,” Hertzberg writes.

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Kryssi K
C Hardy, that was beautiful. Thank you - much love to you. I wish like hell (hah, pun intended?) there were more Christians like you out there giving Jesus the good/positive image he deserves. Rock on, and BLESS YOU AND YOURS!
By Kryssi K on 11/25/2008 3:55 am
C Hardy
Kryssi…Your welcome! I am just speaking from my heart and I dont see why so many are against it? As Kathleen said in her post we are looking in our Bible to find out why its wrong but we have yet to find anything…So if you LOVE someone and we all know the difference between LOVE and being IN LOVE b/c there is a difference. If we find that LOVE why can’t we all act on that LOVE? I guess I just dont get it anymore…what are people scared of?
By C Hardy on 11/25/2008 6:48 am
Frannie Em
There were many ads on TV by the Obama campaign that said NO on Prop 8. The ads stated Obama was against an amendment to the California Constitution to define marriage. I saw the ad several times. When he was asked in the first debate against McCain, he stated marriage was between a man and a woman, but he came out against Prop 8.
By Frannie Em on 11/24/2008 2:25 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Frannie, I believe Obama wanted it to be a state issue and not something for the US Constitution. I think to punish people in the movie industry who were for Prop 8 is wrong on many levels. This is still a democracy. I am also hoping that those states who are against Gays adopting also get that vote overturned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAX3jpKWa8k
By Brooklyn Gal on 11/24/2008 3:07 pm
Frannie Em
Hey Brooklyn Yes I understand Obama’s position. I did understand that he was against amending the constitution, I agree, it doesn’t need amending. Many against prop 8 thought that it would lose and so they didn’t advertise against it. I saw one rather congenial ad against it, parents of a gay woman talking about equal rights, and the superintendent of LAUSchool District explaining it and urging against it, but they didn’t get much more advertising out there than that. They could of and they didn’t, I think that was one of the problems. Obama’s campaign did not leave one stone unturned in trying to reach every member of the audience. I think Gay Rights advocates thought that Cal was a done deal, when it wasn’t, they should have worked harder through the media, I think it would have made a difference.
By Frannie Em on 11/24/2008 4:31 pm
Elle Kaye
Uhhhhh. Who’s distancing themselves from whom? It is simple. If you back/backed Prop 8, you ARE the fringe.
By Elle Kaye on 11/24/2008 3:14 pm
Kryssi K
…Prop 8, you ARE the fringe” Touché!
By Kryssi K on 11/25/2008 4:03 am
John G
Elle, you R correct! Fringe to the max! Prop 8 will be defeated at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later!
By John G on 11/24/2008 6:27 pm
Kryssi K
This is going to sound so wrong, but I wouldn’t feel so offended/affected by if this had been ANY OTHER STATE. So disappointing. But…it ain’t over ‘til it’s over.
By Kryssi K on 11/25/2008 4:01 am