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Entertainment | 11/21/2008 3:35 pm

Comments of the Week 11/15 - 11/21

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Editor’s Note: The following comments have been edited for length.

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Comment to the Question of the Day November 17
By Ine Drage on 11/18/2008 11:57 am

Traditions…
It wouldn’t be much of a tradition if we only did something once :)

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Comment to a Post on November 18
By Nancy B on 11/18/2008 2:32 pm
Dear Uncle Sam:
We are married 26 years, both working full time every year of it; 1 mortgage, 4 cars, 2 kids in college, etc. We have never, ever, ever requested government assistance. When times got tough, we just got up, went to work, and toughed it out with less.
My husband found out last week that the company he works for is closing this month. He is 52 and the job market (as you know) is about as bad as it gets. I, the wife, work to pay for our health insurance and food - there is nothing left of my paycheck once those things are paid for each month.
We would like to be placed at the top of the bailout list. We’ve never cheated or lied, ripped anyone off, taken gifts or money we didn’t deserve, or asked for loans or money we knew we couldn’t pay back.
Please let us know when our check is in the mail.
Sincerely,
Mr. and Mrs. Working Class Taxpayer

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Comment to a Post on November 18
By beth willis on 11/18/2008 2:57 pm

Greater minds than mine must remember that these same issues existed in the 70’s. Sometime around late 70’s the government bailed out Chrysler but in some, I assume ‘regulated’ bailout, managed to make over 500 million dollars over the course of the deal. At that time the same concerns about foreign oil and gas guzzlers were common knowledge. The difference now is two fold 1) The auto industry is one among myriad problems, but 2) We have a President-Elect who acknowledges what happens in cycles when gas prices drop significantly : we just go back to what we’ve always done and drop innovation for profit until the next disaster. Obama, ‘No, it’s time right now to stop the addiction.’ I agree, nothing to the residents of the Bloomfield enclave without pinpoint regulations and transparent oversight. If I were cynical I would directly connect this current situation to Cheney’s clandestine energy meetings-executive privilege?-but I am on this issue, so I will.
Peace and grace

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Comment to A Friend Stopped By on November 19
By Patty E on 11/19/2008 9:15 pm

Boomer: Too young for Social Security, Too old to get a job, to make back the money lost in our retirement accounts. Too smart for entry level positions in our newest ‘career’ as well as too old. Too dumb in the ways of new technology, no matter how hard we tried to keep up…Too poor to retire…too rich in experience…too expensive as employees in salary, health costs, yet not valuable because we will want to retire in less than 20 years. Able to teach our children, yet unteachable in todays’ new way of doing things that needed to be learned starting in kindergarten…..Expected to move mountains, yet deemed not capable of lifting 50 pounds if someone has to pay you for doing so… sigh…….

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Comment to a Post on November 19
By kermie b on 11/19/2008 2:21 pm

Michelle Obama is a beautiful, intelligent woman who will make her own impact on history. Why is anyone demeaning her by asking about her hair, her clothes, her shoes? Do we examine men that way?

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Comment to a Post on November 18
By Joanne Parrent on 11/19/2008 2:45 am

Hi Jane, It’s Joanne. Well, I cried on the 5th when I found out that we had definitely lost Prop 8. It felt so awful to have so many people vote to deny us our right to marry. God knows, it felt weird to get married at first, since we’d been together so long and never had the right. But then, just when I kind of got used to the idea, wham — Prop 8 passes. So it’s been kind of an emotional roller coaster. The demonstration we went to was really cathartic — there were people or all sorts, gay and straight, black, white, Hispanic, old, young. The signs were great, like "When are we going to vote on your marriage". Or "When do we get a gay tax discount". So that felt better. Then, Mayor Villaraigosa was at the protest last Saturday and he said, after arriving by helicoptor from the fires, "I felt like the winds of change were carrying me here." Reading that made me cry, too. So, yes, Jane, I do think the winds of change are blowing. It was as if the world expected Californians to be better than we were and it was kind of a shock that, as Brenda said, has awakened a sleeping giant. Thank you, Jane for your post. And I’m really proud of Bren’s clarity and leadership on this issue. Warm regards, Joanne

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Comment to a Post on November 20
By Diana T on 11/20/2008 1:18 pm
The women in Africa, as well as all of the developing countries need our help. They need to be supported because, not only the poverty, but the oppressive anti-female laws that their cultures have practiced for centuries. The World Bank is doing a lot. And, so are many agencies. Hopefully, President Obama will be able to change some laws that the Bush administration put into place that prohibits family planning because of its stand on abortions, and other issues.
One way to help the women become independent as we approach this Holiday Season is by supporting Heifer International. Instead of giving meaningless gifts to your friends and some family members, please seriously consider a contribution to this fine organization that promotes independence by donating different animals to needy people in the most poverty stricken parts of the world.
http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQNiFiG/b.204586/k.9430/Gift_Catalog.ht…
If women can have help with providing for their families in a dignfied way, and also learning to have control with what happens to their bodies, I believe it is the most important means of helping.

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Comment to The Question of the Day on November 20
By Dona Howlett on 11/20/2008 1:41 am

I, like most Americans was sitting in front of my TV watching CNN……switching channels also.
When I heard the news I burst into tears and cried almost all the time for two days. My granddaughter called me and she was also crying. For the next two days every time we talked on the phone we started to cry all over again.
I don’t remember ever having the kinds of emotions I was going through. It was so different than anything I had ever experienced. It was PURE joy and sorrow at the same time..
It seemed to burst in me a Dam that had held in all my emotions and tears for the past 7 years. I so wished my sweet Richard could have been here sharing in this wonderful event………..I know he was looking at me from the ‘Other Side’ and being happy for my joy.
Each day I thank God for giving this World a wonderful intelligent knowledgeable man to Lead us back to an abundant Life this Country so deserves after the horrow of the past eight years.
I hope and pray that all Americans will support him in his efforts to make all
Amerians have a more productive and happy life.
No matter what happened before the election, we are all in this together.
He is the President of all of us (after Jan20)
I listen and read about the all the things he is doing during the transition period to make this a smooth change.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a good thing to say about George Bush, but I will say I respect him for being gracious to the Obamas and helping them make this transition run smoothly for all of them involved.
I had hoped it would be Hillary Clinton I would be celebrating………but to have my second choice be a person of such quaility is overwhelming.
Again, I am so thankful we will be saying President Barak Obama after the inauguration

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Comment to a Post on October 20
By Ms. Dee on 11/20/2008 10:30 am

Ahhhhh! Ms. Nevins. A++++ "Beethoven/ before Eroica" Explicit,
concrete, gorgeous.

Remaining hopeful, however, I recall Mozart…after a few hours spent with a teen-aged Beethoven, predicting, "We will hear a great deal from that young man." So Obama’s "Ode to Joy" may not be out of the question.

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Tee Zee
Clever, sad, tragic…congrats to the wonderful women of wOw!!!
By Tee Zee on 11/21/2008 7:21 pm
Frannie Em
Great Posts by all. Beth I am with you on that. If the new government can get a viable alternative up and running, I am all for it. California just put 3500 homes on to solar energy, but it cost $15million. Our state is broke because of the drop of the housing market. I don’t know what we can afford now. I agree that the clandestine Cheney/Oil meetings (ugh!!) did not help the American people. That cold make me go Rambo-ette. On my wish list is that the new administration will be transparent about their plans for alternative and how much it will really cost. Nancy B and Patty E ~~ my thoughts exactly. Thank you for saying it so well. Dona - I love you dearly, but when you say “horror” it seems a bit much. For me it brings up images of concentration camps. Sorry, there have been many things about the last 8 years that I could take pages and pages to rant about, but all of you do it so well, I have no appetite for it. Life has thrown me huge challenges, but my family and I got through them. Credit was flowing everywhere, consumerism was at an all time high, the stock market hit all time highs, I think what….7 mil jobs were created - I will have to check that one. Trying to remember where I read that a couple of months ago, and then bam, the money greed game came to an end. Unfortunately, it is hurting all the middle class and lower class income levels more than anyone, and now unemployment is only going to rise. It is a sad shame. So many highly educated people in Washington and this happened. I blame all of them. It happened on their watch. Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Obama, Clinton, Dodd, Frank, and I could go on and on and on. Where were they all?
By Frannie Em on 11/21/2008 10:04 pm
Dona Howlett
Frannie, Dona - I love you dearly, but when you say “horror” it seems a bit much. For me it brings up images of concentration camps. Frannie for me the word horror brings up images of blooded bodies lying in the street in Iraq…. Prisoners naked bodies in a Pile……… Those are just the picture images………..there is also the knowledge of all the terrible Horrific things that have transpired……………Sorry but I think the word HORROR is justified. I’m glad you love me………….
By Dona Howlett on 11/24/2008 2:58 am
Frannie Em
Dona Point taken, I can’t dispute that. That has been horrible to say the least.
By Frannie Em on 11/24/2008 5:31 pm
Frannie Em
Dona Correction to my post. Four million+ jobs were created during the Bush Administration not seven. My bad.
By Frannie Em on 11/25/2008 12:12 am
kermie b
All of this is coming to a head (so to speak) just as W. is leaving office. Even Cheney is being indicted. Coincidence? Puh-lease. This was planned as carefully as 9/11. Those who do not believe this will look back in a few years and realize it IS true. All I can say is, give peace a chance. The U.S. is no longer a superpower. We threw that away with W. Give peace a chance. I am scared for the world. I have nightmares like this. Give peace a chance.
By kermie b on 11/22/2008 12:11 am
Frannie Em
kermie Peace be with you. Peace and grace and peas and gravy
By Frannie Em on 11/22/2008 5:33 pm
Frannie Em
PS Kermie You are right about Michelle Obama. I didn’t go on the thread because she doesn’t need me to tell her how to dress.
By Frannie Em on 11/22/2008 5:34 pm
Ms. Dee
Whoa. Sheila. Here’s looking at you, kid. Nancy, Beth, Patty, Kermie, Joanne, the crystalline Diana T, and our dauntless Dona…humbled to be in your company. Beautiful, informative things were written all week. Thank you all. (But… am I the only one who noticed? Somebody got the date wrong on my post! It happens.)
By Ms. Dee on 11/22/2008 10:24 am
Mommy Dearest
You were NOT the only one who noticed, Ms. Dee, but I’m pleased that the substance, if not the timing, of your comment remained intact.
By Mommy Dearest on 11/22/2008 11:17 am
Ms. Dee
Oh, Mommy. I feel so anal now that I even mentioned it. If I hadn’t been staring in disbelief it would’ve slipped right past me, too. But not you, Ms. Eagle-with-the-seasoned-eye!
By Ms. Dee on 11/22/2008 11:35 am
Ulla
Ms Dee … am always intrigued by Sheila Nevins’ poems … and loved how brilliantly your comment played off it! Was about to post to you there, but seeing that the wow staff selected it is much better… Best wishes!
By Ulla on 11/22/2008 2:16 pm
brad berger
It is time for Congress and the States to pass and ratify the enactment of the ERA Amendment. I have two daughters 12 and 9 and they should never have to endure the degrading comments and actions that were hurled at Governor Palin and Senator Clinton because they are women. This election accented the disparity of treatment given to female and male candidates. Distasteful and degrading sexist statements and actions were part of the campaigns against both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. This prejudice against women has once again brought to the forefront the need for the ERA Amendment. The ERA Amendment will be a boost to women’s self esteem and lives and will finally make it clear to all: women and men are equal. Yes men and women are different - but all people are different from one another. Today women under 40 know little or nothing about the ERA Amendment that failed to be ratified in the 1970s and 80s. Many women believe that the ERA Amendment was in fact enacted into law. The time has come for women to ask themselves “Who keeps the ERA Amendment locked up in committee when it is introduced every session of Congress?” The answer is simple – MEN. It is time to get the Amendment out of committee and passed by 2/3 of the House and Senate so it can quickly proceed to the states for their ratification. All House and Senator members as well as members of state Legislatures should be held accountable for their vote on the Amendment. Women who do not have equal rights even serve in combat. The Amendment is as follows: Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Section 3. This amendment shall take effect on the day ratification is complete. Hopefully you women along with Senator Clinton and Governor Palin and others will lead and work with women and men to have Congress pass the ERA Amendment immediately as the first piece of legislation when the new Congress convenes. Remember after Black men got the right to vote it took all women another 50 years to get their vote; will women again have to wait 50 years before there is a woman President?
By brad berger on 11/23/2008 10:21 am
Maurine H
Great comments about what’s on our minds. wOw contributors are the best writers on the Net!
By Maurine H on 11/23/2008 7:32 pm
beth willis
Thank you for the nod, WOW. I wanted to add that the deal with Chrysler in the 70’s began with an offer from CEO Lee Iacoaca to work for a dollar a year. Somehow dealing with people displaying humility rather than entitlement would go a long way to opening up some kind of negotiations. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 11/23/2008 8:13 pm