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Entertainment | 02/13/2009 3:55 pm

Comments of the Week 2/7 - 2/13

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Editor’s Note: The following comments have been edited for length.

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Comment to a Conversation on February 11
By margameri margameri on 02/11/2009 10:38 pm

In today’s column Tom Friedman quotes Shekhar Gupta, editor of The Indian Express saying (tongue in cheek, he says) "All you need to do is grant visas to 2 million Indians, Chinese, and Koreans. We will buy up all the subprime homes. We will work 18 hours a day to pay for them. We will immediately improve your savings rate - no Indian bank today has more than 2% non-performing loans because not paying your mortgage is considered shameful here. And we will start new companies to create our own jobs and jobs for more Americans."

My husband, an online Nepalese journalist, has been saying this for months. Just allow the undocumented Nepalese and others who are already here, working 7 days a week, living in the shadows and saving their money, to receive green cards and one day achieve the citizenship they dream of. They have been saving, and long to own homes. They are entrepreneurial, they work hard, husbands, wives, aunts, uncles, cousins together. They make sure their children are educated and disciplined. They exemplify "family values." I know - my social network is largely in the Nepali community, where I am called "Didi" (sister), and showered with warmth and affection.

Immigration has been a large part of the core of this nation, yet in this bailout congress is stupidly disallowing the employment of high-skilled H1Bvisa holders by the bailed-out. To quote Friedman again:" We need to attack this financial crisis with green cards, not just greenbacks, and with start-ups not just bailouts."

What we ARE doing is swooping up immigrants in raids, separating families, locking people up in detention centers then deporting them after months or years of imprisonment. Who do you think pays for all this? Well over $100/day per detainee, flights to all parts of the world accompanied by 2 officers per deportee (except for those who die while in custody from lack of proper treatment or suicide) and overnight hotels for the accompanying officers all paid for by our tax money.

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Comment to a Post on February 13
By Mommy Dearest on 02/12/2009 1:26 pm

"The good news is that today inflation is practically nonexistent. Oil prices have collapsed, and other commodities have retrenched as well. That could change, especially as the government ramps up spending and the money supply continues to expand. However, since utilization rates in the economy are low and there are millions looking for jobs, prices and wage rates will likely stay under pressure, containing inflation."

Liz, my dear, I cannot envision inflation staying under wraps as the Treasury prints money for an $800-ish billion stimulus package coupled with the multi-trillion dollar bank bailout.

Back when Mommy learned economics (and dinosaurs roamed the earth), governments that spent their way out of an economic downturn always found themselves in an inflationary environment.

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Comment to a Book Post on February 10
By Patrice Baldwin on 02/10/2009 10:13 pm

I’ve always steered clear of ‘just sex’ because it’s generally boring and I’ve had better. It’s necessary to have some kind of relationship, whether it’s an old friend or someone you’ve known for a while. During the 60s in Hollywood when everyone was doing it with everyone else, I had enough of that at Hollywood parties. I can remember the last one I went to in Malibu. I came into the party, said hello to the host, an old friend, looked around and went home.
I actually had a lovely young mentor (or I think it was really the other way ‘round) who visited me recently. I had high hopes for a weekend of fun, but it wasn’t to be. First he was wildly allergic to my dog; sneezed and snizzeled the whole time. Then it was decidedly difficult to ‘splain to my Great Dane that her spot on the bed wasn’t to be hers. In fact she didn’t take it well, and made a big fuss all night. The second night I thought, "Well, if she can’t be convinced, she should perhaps join ‘em." Turns out she was way too interested in other things going on than sleeping on her corner of the bed. It ended up in a well packed threesome with a lot of sneezing. I think I’ll have to think it over again.

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Comment to a Post on February 12
By elaine s on 02/12/2009 2:38 pm

So this is equality?

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Comment to The Question of the Day on February 13
By Count Snarkula on 02/13/2009 4:11 pm

5 more minutes with my Mother.

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Comment to a Post on February 6 (Sorry we missed this comment last week but it’s still worth recognizing)
By Susan B on 02/06/2009 3:46 pm

Diana, I believe the problem here — in this forum — is that it is a blog: anonymous and safe. And I don’t believe WoW, or any other blog, is truly representative of the voices and ideas of the country at large, it is representative of those of us who are of strong opinions and compelled to express ourselves. The so-called blogosphere a small sample, really, and we delude ourselves if we think otherwise or believe we can move mountains with our single opinions. At our best, we’re sharing experiences and tossing ideas back and forth with humor and an open mind. At our worst, we’re people who are in need of a fight or a place to vent our frustrations.

In "real life," I experience far more people interacting civilly, thoughtfully and with a generosity of spirit. We discuss most of the same topics, but we do so with restraint and care. We look each other in the eye, smile, tear-up, and touch.

On a blog, our humanity is reduced to words. There are plenty of very smart women here on WoW, but I also sense a high degree of personal disenfranchisement and social disconnection. So it’s good to be able to reach out to others like we do here — but I think we often forget how fortunate we are to be able to do so and take each other for granted.

(OK, Sully, help me land this plane.) What I’m trying to offer, is the idea that the people of this country are really not so different in the big picture. But on a blog or the mass media or in congress, commonality is not going to distinguish anyone, and so will never be adequately celebrated and leveraged for good. Diana, take hope in what you experience as you bump into each other on the sidewalk, stand next to each other in a line, or find in a smile from a stranger. We are together in so many ways, but politics is and always has been the great divider and on a blog — where we are literally on the same page — it’s a 24/7 experience that’s stoking the problem rather than bringing consensus. Our forbears would be hamstrung by this, I’m sure.

I wish we could put away the negativity, but it’ll never happen on Wow. Still, I’d like to think we could all try harder.

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Jane Cougar Melonhat
I second this motion! Boy, would their mailboxes be clogged with complaints! You´re up kind of late. Hope wOw doesn´t keep you awake.
By Jane Cougar Melonhat on 02/16/2009 2:23 am
~ countrywoman ~
:-} to Ms. Melonhat the magnificent Actually I am on the left coast (Oregon) where the night is still young, plus I have been a night person from birth. You? I must say that it is a challenge to resist feeling slimed by some of the recent content here. Call me Pollyanna but I am feeling hopeful that the Wow women will pay attention to the commentary in this thread and actually do something about it. (I posted a note for Joni and will be very interested to see if she responds.) Maybe Edith Ann will step in with some sandbox therapy soon and the trolls won’t be able to find us there?
More :-}
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 02/16/2009 3:12 am
Jane Cougar Melonhat
Hey Pollyanna, I´m not a night person at all! On this side of the Pond it is already 10.30 am - time for my second breakfast! I, too, hope that the wOw women will FINALLY pay attention. It´s not like this is the first time we voice our concerns. Well, we´ll see.
By Jane Cougar Melonhat on 02/16/2009 3:34 am
~ countrywoman ~
Good morning over there I dare to be hopeful because a couple of the increasingly emboldened trolls arrived on this thread and bared their ugly butts in the faces of the founders. I think the ladies do want this endeavor to have some degree of class, to be successful as opposed to hosting a high-count cesspool. We shall see, eh? SECOND breakfast?? All righty then. Enjoy your day, Ms kittycat-hat. I am off to bed now, taking a smile you generated along with me! Thanks!
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 02/16/2009 4:04 am
Jane Cougar Melonhat
Polly, I just realized that your avatar is a chicken! All this time I thought it was some sort of floaty ribbon. Guess my melon´s too tight.
By Jane Cougar Melonhat on 02/16/2009 1:13 pm
Tee Zee
Great idea! Please, Please, Pretty Pullleeeze wOw!
By Tee Zee on 02/16/2009 1:38 pm
Brooklyn Gal
Phyllis, Had this been the first time a thread like this was written, I would agree with you. But this goes as far back to the attack on Hillary. And I seem to recall being the lone voice on that thread asking for civility. Joni responded to my post thanking us for all the comments. Then Liz wrote a similar post asking for civility. We ourselves have asked for it on numerous occasions. Then you read Mr. Harvey on this very same thread and wonder what message he got from Susan’s comment. Now you say we need to keep trying. Have you noticed that Susan B. has not responded. She signed out of WoW and deleted WoW from her bookmark. Here is the woman who wrote this heartfelt comment totally disgusted on what she is seeing here. I hope she returns, but I will not. I would love a place where our voices can be heard, but when someone starts out a comment to me saying she knows I meant to be respectful and then goes on to accuse me of being “presumptuous and condescending”, when indeed that was not my intent, I have to wonder about the meaning of civil discourse. A work in progress is a long journey and they are losing many good people along the way. I for one will find other outlets, and if one day WoW can find its way back to what it once envisioned, I would love to return. But Lily is right. You can’t put up titles that invite rancor. Sometimes those titles don’t even fit the story. And, if there is really is a 10 Commandments of WoW, it needs vigorous oversite because WoW has broken its own moral code and that goes for both the left and right and those of us in between who got caught up in the attack mode. Maybe you haven’t noticed, but it’s no longer a “few people”. Yes, this was done on both sides of the fence, but there are people here that just love to go negative and their are people here who love to egg on those you call “virus invasions”. I for one would love to see the “reply” button eliminated especially when it is used as a weapon instead of a tool. (It also is responsible for getting your page 1 comment booted over to page 6 LOL). I wish you luck with your vision for WoW. If only the Founders can get together and work towards your goal.
By Brooklyn Gal on 02/15/2009 6:54 pm
DeBúrca obj
phyllis I agree! And I will reiterate what I said earlier in this thread about how important it is to not merely ignore the outrageous comments, but to shine a light on them…. As supporters of our new President, both those of us who voted for him and those of us who did not, it is our responsibility to call people out on outrageous comments and attempts to spread false conspiracy theories. “A leader is only as effective as the support he gets from those he leads.” - Iphigenia 2.0
By DeBúrca obj on 02/15/2009 9:23 pm
deber B
I agree with DeBurca, that it is important that our voices be heard when outrageous comments are made which we feel are inaccurate and simply uninformed and mean spirited in content. Politics have changed and people are struggling with those changes. What some describe as “false conspiracy theories” others will describe as serious concerns. “A leader is only as effective as the support he gets from those he leads” is an interesting quote. It applies to both George Bush and Barack Obama. If, in fact, this quote has any true merit, it would indicate to me that George Bush would’ve been a better leader had he received the support necessary to be a more effective leader. Barack Obama, in less than one month in office, is in a position of having to earn that support from those who are skeptical of his aggressive determination to reverse everything that our previous president believed in. It takes time and patience for republicans to decide if radical change is, in fact, something we should embrace. We have four years to make that determination. Republicans are often referred to as trolls and racists and nothing could be further from the truth. All republicans don’t post in the same spirit. Because we do not have the same visions for the United States as liberal posters, we are often called names and unintelligent because we aren’t mesmerized by our new president. I wasn’t mesmerized by George Bush but I believed and supported his policies. For some of us, Obama has to prove that he has the right vision for all Americans. That takes time. I have enjoyed being a part of wow and I will continue to voice my opinions without stooping to personal attacks. Once a poster crosses that line they have lost their power to be heard. Once done, they exchange their opportunity to be heard to one of being ignored by other posters. It’s a choice.
By deber B on 02/16/2009 5:29 am
Mugsy Peabody
Phyllis, please email me on my blog. thanks, mp
By Mugsy Peabody on 02/15/2009 9:59 pm
Roger from Ohio
I came to this site because of an invitation from one of those on the right…… it didnt take long for me to be attacked by those on the right, including the one that invited me…….. I was bashed for being here and being a man…… I was called a woman hater because I asked tough questions….. I was unfairly called a woman abuser, and was given a death threat that was removed by the people in charge.. there has been many times I almost threw in the towel because of those same attacks…….. but I stayed….. I stayed because I got a bunch of pleasant posts….. many pats on the back for putting up with it….. a few “off radar” posts (an old post responded to that I got an alert for)…… These people left private messages telling me that it is worth staying. I saw the link that Diana gave us about this site…….. it was inspiring…… they havent reached their goal yet….. but if they continue to try and improve the site it will improve……. One tool they dont have here but I have seen on other sites is an “abuse” alert…… if they set up that button, maybe they could get a better handle of those that are abusive. we all get “snarky” from time to time…. I guess it is human nature……. but to start out looking or starting trouble is what ruins a good sites.
By Roger from Ohio on 02/16/2009 1:19 pm
deber B
Well, Roger, I am the one who invited you to this wonderful site. The least you could do is thank me from time to time! All of us have crossed “the line” from time to time. Better for all to move forward with a refreshed attitude and a clear understanding that democrats and republicans have a different vision for America. And, there’s nothing wrong with that as long as we stay away from improper posting manners.
By deber B on 02/16/2009 4:48 pm
Diamond In The Rough
I can not let this post go until I’ve corrected the poster…Yes he was invited on this site and since then he has bashed women unmercifully. He has told lies about posters and in turn called them liars. As for a death threat, there was never a threat. I read the post and it was a figure of speech one uses when pushed to the limit. He goes on and on and wants people to think he’s in serious danger. Not so, if the word gun powder is a death threat, then being called an unfit mother (as he called the poster), is also libel. His post should have been deleted also. Joni……….we enjoy your sites and hope to keep posting, but when a man is allowed to bash other women on this site, I think it should be restricted to women only. Thank you for the great topics.
By Diamond In The Rough on 02/16/2009 4:54 pm
Libra Lady
Diamond, I want to thank you for coming to my defense. Many others have done so on older threads which I really appreciate them also. Yes, my post to rog was deleted because it was taken as a death threat…like you said it was an old expression used such as saying you aren’t worth ____! I was defending myself because I was accused of being a liar, which I think was libel and I defended myself and let my emotions get the most of me because, but no man should ever say things he said to any woman. No, it wasn’t on this site, but from another site which has been a thorn in my side for sometime. Those words are used by abusers to their victims by trying to scare them into not leaving and coming to shelter by using their children and to accuse them of being hated by their own children…we see it everyday here at work, and it makes me sick…so this is why it struck me the way it did. My post is still there, but the gun powder expression has been removed. No man has any right to accuse any mother that their children must hate them…I actually thought I would never have to deal with him again, but no sooner did I come here and then he came here. I left for awhile, but decided I shouldn’t let him ruin something where I have made many many friends here. When I first started to post here, there was so much bashing of Gov. Palin, and I just hated to see a woman being treated like that…I have spent the last 19+ years defending abused women and their children where I work, and to see women and some men on this site doing that here really upset me…yes,you can say I took it too personal, but if you have ever been in an abusive relationship, or know someone that has, I think you could understand how it upsets me so much. It’s so very hard to leave work and not take it home with me. So I was hoping this site could get my mind off of it…. I truly enjoy this site and have gotten to know a few women who we both disagree politically, but through posts, we have found we have other things in common. I have enjoyed posting with them and I think many of us women are more alike than not….we all have passion in our Country and our post show that….sometimes it gets rough, and maybe it’s our hormones working overtime and we shout out because that’s easy to do when you are hidden behind a monitor. I will try to be a much nicer poster on here and scroll by the ones who I don’t want to get into a posting match with. I have to remind myself that I am better than that. I just hope this site will start supporting all women because we are all in this together and we do all need one another. Thank you for those who did read my post, and thank you wOw for bringing this topic foward for us to discuss….I think many of us women have taken a hard look at ourselves and see we do want to make this a civil site for all of us beautiful women to communicate with one another.
By Libra Lady on 02/16/2009 5:34 pm
deber B
Beautiful post, Libra Lady. It has been hard for us in having to deal with the anger but we seem to get through it and move on. I admire the work you have done and are continuing to do for battered women and their children. You are a very special woman.
By deber B on 02/16/2009 5:48 pm