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Entertainment | 02/13/2009 3:55 pm

Comments of the Week 2/7 - 2/13

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Editor’s Note: The following comments have been edited for length.

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Comment to a Conversation on February 11
By margameri margameri on 02/11/2009 10:38 pm

In today’s column Tom Friedman quotes Shekhar Gupta, editor of The Indian Express saying (tongue in cheek, he says) "All you need to do is grant visas to 2 million Indians, Chinese, and Koreans. We will buy up all the subprime homes. We will work 18 hours a day to pay for them. We will immediately improve your savings rate - no Indian bank today has more than 2% non-performing loans because not paying your mortgage is considered shameful here. And we will start new companies to create our own jobs and jobs for more Americans."

My husband, an online Nepalese journalist, has been saying this for months. Just allow the undocumented Nepalese and others who are already here, working 7 days a week, living in the shadows and saving their money, to receive green cards and one day achieve the citizenship they dream of. They have been saving, and long to own homes. They are entrepreneurial, they work hard, husbands, wives, aunts, uncles, cousins together. They make sure their children are educated and disciplined. They exemplify "family values." I know - my social network is largely in the Nepali community, where I am called "Didi" (sister), and showered with warmth and affection.

Immigration has been a large part of the core of this nation, yet in this bailout congress is stupidly disallowing the employment of high-skilled H1Bvisa holders by the bailed-out. To quote Friedman again:" We need to attack this financial crisis with green cards, not just greenbacks, and with start-ups not just bailouts."

What we ARE doing is swooping up immigrants in raids, separating families, locking people up in detention centers then deporting them after months or years of imprisonment. Who do you think pays for all this? Well over $100/day per detainee, flights to all parts of the world accompanied by 2 officers per deportee (except for those who die while in custody from lack of proper treatment or suicide) and overnight hotels for the accompanying officers all paid for by our tax money.

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Comment to a Post on February 13
By Mommy Dearest on 02/12/2009 1:26 pm

"The good news is that today inflation is practically nonexistent. Oil prices have collapsed, and other commodities have retrenched as well. That could change, especially as the government ramps up spending and the money supply continues to expand. However, since utilization rates in the economy are low and there are millions looking for jobs, prices and wage rates will likely stay under pressure, containing inflation."

Liz, my dear, I cannot envision inflation staying under wraps as the Treasury prints money for an $800-ish billion stimulus package coupled with the multi-trillion dollar bank bailout.

Back when Mommy learned economics (and dinosaurs roamed the earth), governments that spent their way out of an economic downturn always found themselves in an inflationary environment.

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Comment to a Book Post on February 10
By Patrice Baldwin on 02/10/2009 10:13 pm

I’ve always steered clear of ‘just sex’ because it’s generally boring and I’ve had better. It’s necessary to have some kind of relationship, whether it’s an old friend or someone you’ve known for a while. During the 60s in Hollywood when everyone was doing it with everyone else, I had enough of that at Hollywood parties. I can remember the last one I went to in Malibu. I came into the party, said hello to the host, an old friend, looked around and went home.
I actually had a lovely young mentor (or I think it was really the other way ‘round) who visited me recently. I had high hopes for a weekend of fun, but it wasn’t to be. First he was wildly allergic to my dog; sneezed and snizzeled the whole time. Then it was decidedly difficult to ‘splain to my Great Dane that her spot on the bed wasn’t to be hers. In fact she didn’t take it well, and made a big fuss all night. The second night I thought, "Well, if she can’t be convinced, she should perhaps join ‘em." Turns out she was way too interested in other things going on than sleeping on her corner of the bed. It ended up in a well packed threesome with a lot of sneezing. I think I’ll have to think it over again.

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Comment to a Post on February 12
By elaine s on 02/12/2009 2:38 pm

So this is equality?

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Comment to The Question of the Day on February 13
By Count Snarkula on 02/13/2009 4:11 pm

5 more minutes with my Mother.

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Comment to a Post on February 6 (Sorry we missed this comment last week but it’s still worth recognizing)
By Susan B on 02/06/2009 3:46 pm

Diana, I believe the problem here — in this forum — is that it is a blog: anonymous and safe. And I don’t believe WoW, or any other blog, is truly representative of the voices and ideas of the country at large, it is representative of those of us who are of strong opinions and compelled to express ourselves. The so-called blogosphere a small sample, really, and we delude ourselves if we think otherwise or believe we can move mountains with our single opinions. At our best, we’re sharing experiences and tossing ideas back and forth with humor and an open mind. At our worst, we’re people who are in need of a fight or a place to vent our frustrations.

In "real life," I experience far more people interacting civilly, thoughtfully and with a generosity of spirit. We discuss most of the same topics, but we do so with restraint and care. We look each other in the eye, smile, tear-up, and touch.

On a blog, our humanity is reduced to words. There are plenty of very smart women here on WoW, but I also sense a high degree of personal disenfranchisement and social disconnection. So it’s good to be able to reach out to others like we do here — but I think we often forget how fortunate we are to be able to do so and take each other for granted.

(OK, Sully, help me land this plane.) What I’m trying to offer, is the idea that the people of this country are really not so different in the big picture. But on a blog or the mass media or in congress, commonality is not going to distinguish anyone, and so will never be adequately celebrated and leveraged for good. Diana, take hope in what you experience as you bump into each other on the sidewalk, stand next to each other in a line, or find in a smile from a stranger. We are together in so many ways, but politics is and always has been the great divider and on a blog — where we are literally on the same page — it’s a 24/7 experience that’s stoking the problem rather than bringing consensus. Our forbears would be hamstrung by this, I’m sure.

I wish we could put away the negativity, but it’ll never happen on Wow. Still, I’d like to think we could all try harder.

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Maurine H
I was just speaking with my computer engineer son about how disturbing wOw has become, especially recently, and he said that the trolling and negativity are not unusual when a new website becomes well known. He also said that two things eventually happen. If the website has good management, including a code of ethics, the trolls (a person who posts messages that create controversy or an angry response without adding content to the discussion, often intentionally), and “griefers” (a person who derives enjoyment from being obstructive, diminishing the enjoyment of others, preventing the enjoyment of others, wasting your time, and so forth) will eventually disappear because their language will be censored. If the management is poor or inadequate, they will take over and the more reasonable contributors will go elsewhere.
By Maurine H on 02/15/2009 8:41 pm
DeBúrca obj
Maurine, well, when you look at the top 2 threads from this weekend, and how they were completely taken over and ended in page after page turned into a dumping ground for negativity, false conspiracy theories and just plain childish, obnoxious comments, I would have to say the management has definitely been inadequate.
By DeBúrca obj on 02/15/2009 9:26 pm
Mugsy Peabody
DeB, please email me on my blogspot. Thanks, Mugsy
By Mugsy Peabody on 02/15/2009 10:00 pm
DeBúrca obj
What is your blogspot?
By DeBúrca obj on 02/15/2009 11:41 pm
Fanny Peabody
Mugsy has gone off to sleep, Ms. DeBurca, but Junior was concerned that nobody was answering you. It’s www.MugsyPeabody.blogspot.com Good night, FP
By Fanny Peabody on 02/15/2009 11:59 pm
deber B
That is certainly a reasonable observation. We have to ask ourselves how we contributed to that negativity and if we were a part of those childish obnoxious comments. We aren’t allowed to be “selectively critical” of the way others post. We should, in fact, go back and revisit our previous posts to determine how we may or may not have contributed to these unhealthy exchange of comments and personal attacks against those who don’t share the same visions for America. One has to take responsibility for how they’ve responded to other posts before they can judge others. The only true way to take responsibility is to reexamine how you’ve posted to other people. For many it will be a true measure of who you are and how you choose to get your message across to those who don’t think the way you do.
By deber B on 02/16/2009 5:49 am
~ countrywoman ~
Your post is extremely helpful in framing the issue, Maurine. Since the trolls are perfectly free to go pollute some other site, I don’t think of it as censorship though. More like a fair and reasonable denial of their anti-social behavior in this arena.

Let us hope Joni is “listening.”
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By ~ countrywoman ~ on 02/15/2009 9:45 pm
Murphy Mac
Maurine, I hope the creators of this site read your response and, as an aside, I love the avatar of your dog!
By Murphy Mac on 02/16/2009 10:09 am
Elisabeth S
I have been absent from WOW for awhile because of the vitriol that has been aptly described above. But these comments have also reminded me of how wonderful it was to converse with the intelligent and articulate people here and how much it has added to my life. Like Countrywoman it encouraged me to learn more about the blogosphere, which has enriched my life. I would so hate to lose this community and its potential. Other than being vigilant about our own comments and ignoring trolls I am not sure what else we can do.
By Elisabeth S on 02/15/2009 9:03 pm
Ms. Dee
Well, I am so glad to find everyone talking about this. Since I’ve been spending as much time “catching up” on old threads as I’ve been reading the daily posts, I have to admit, it’s been a little distressing to see the increasing frequency, not so much of left v right controversey, but the political agitators and provocateurs. I just keep reading…and reading…and reading. No point in responding to posts that are months or weeks old. But there’s a good deal of promise in this conversation. Surely the damage isn’t irreperable.
By Ms. Dee on 02/15/2009 10:24 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Ms. Dee, could you write to me on my blog?
By Mugsy Peabody on 02/15/2009 10:36 pm
N P
Here’s what I think, and what I’m going to try and do, starting now. On any website, there will always be the “Crazies.” We all have our own Crazies list. I am going to try my best to ignore them from now on. I’m talking about the ones with whom it is pointless to try. Not the intelligent ones with whom you don’t see eye to eye with all the time, but you still can enjoy good debate with… I’m talking about the no hope no prayer nut jobs… Crazies. If we don’t post to them, what are they going to do? Post to themselves? I made the mistake of posting to two people this week. I don’t know why I did it. It wasn’t for the hope of intelligent conversation. I don’t know what possessed me. Anyway, later I thought it over. I reminded myself of several principles, including: The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it (Dale Carnegie); and To show respect for the other person’s opinions, and never say You’re Wrong, (Dale Carnegie), and You Only Want Intelligent Conversations (NP!). At the end, I just decided to avoid posting to certain people. To just ignore them. There are so many on this website, with whom I enjoy conversing. So many I enjoy reading. I will choose to ignore the ones who offer no intelligent discourse … the ones who seem to post only to incite us. Let’s see what tomorrow brings on Wow.
By N P on 02/15/2009 11:25 pm
Marina B.
NP, I for one will do the same whenever I am here. However, I predict that there will simply be more and more pages of posts to ignore. From my experience on other sites, those with irrational views generally only feel empowered when they are ignored; they seem to feel that they have overpowered the opposition with their “logic”, and then they go on endlessly telling each other how clever they are. *Sigh.*
By Marina B. on 02/15/2009 11:37 pm
N P
Hi Marina, The “flame throwers” get a thrill from inciting people. If we ignore them, they will go away. You can tell the flame throwers from others who simply have a different view. These flamers wait and attack, for nothing but the thrill of inciting. If there is nothing to attack, they will disappear.
By N P on 02/16/2009 10:10 am
Marina B.
You know, I’ve been thinking about it. I will not be complicit in the lies of the wingnuts by standing by while they are uttered. I will, as DeBurca said, shine a light on them, or else I will just not read or post here. I don’t want my name showing up on the same page as some hateful piece of nastiness unless I make it clear that I find it repulsive.
By Marina B. on 02/16/2009 1:32 am