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Entertainment | 02/13/2009 3:55 pm

Comments of the Week 2/7 - 2/13

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Editor’s Note: The following comments have been edited for length.

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Comment to a Conversation on February 11
By margameri margameri on 02/11/2009 10:38 pm

In today’s column Tom Friedman quotes Shekhar Gupta, editor of The Indian Express saying (tongue in cheek, he says) "All you need to do is grant visas to 2 million Indians, Chinese, and Koreans. We will buy up all the subprime homes. We will work 18 hours a day to pay for them. We will immediately improve your savings rate - no Indian bank today has more than 2% non-performing loans because not paying your mortgage is considered shameful here. And we will start new companies to create our own jobs and jobs for more Americans."

My husband, an online Nepalese journalist, has been saying this for months. Just allow the undocumented Nepalese and others who are already here, working 7 days a week, living in the shadows and saving their money, to receive green cards and one day achieve the citizenship they dream of. They have been saving, and long to own homes. They are entrepreneurial, they work hard, husbands, wives, aunts, uncles, cousins together. They make sure their children are educated and disciplined. They exemplify "family values." I know - my social network is largely in the Nepali community, where I am called "Didi" (sister), and showered with warmth and affection.

Immigration has been a large part of the core of this nation, yet in this bailout congress is stupidly disallowing the employment of high-skilled H1Bvisa holders by the bailed-out. To quote Friedman again:" We need to attack this financial crisis with green cards, not just greenbacks, and with start-ups not just bailouts."

What we ARE doing is swooping up immigrants in raids, separating families, locking people up in detention centers then deporting them after months or years of imprisonment. Who do you think pays for all this? Well over $100/day per detainee, flights to all parts of the world accompanied by 2 officers per deportee (except for those who die while in custody from lack of proper treatment or suicide) and overnight hotels for the accompanying officers all paid for by our tax money.

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Comment to a Post on February 13
By Mommy Dearest on 02/12/2009 1:26 pm

"The good news is that today inflation is practically nonexistent. Oil prices have collapsed, and other commodities have retrenched as well. That could change, especially as the government ramps up spending and the money supply continues to expand. However, since utilization rates in the economy are low and there are millions looking for jobs, prices and wage rates will likely stay under pressure, containing inflation."

Liz, my dear, I cannot envision inflation staying under wraps as the Treasury prints money for an $800-ish billion stimulus package coupled with the multi-trillion dollar bank bailout.

Back when Mommy learned economics (and dinosaurs roamed the earth), governments that spent their way out of an economic downturn always found themselves in an inflationary environment.

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Comment to a Book Post on February 10
By Patrice Baldwin on 02/10/2009 10:13 pm

I’ve always steered clear of ‘just sex’ because it’s generally boring and I’ve had better. It’s necessary to have some kind of relationship, whether it’s an old friend or someone you’ve known for a while. During the 60s in Hollywood when everyone was doing it with everyone else, I had enough of that at Hollywood parties. I can remember the last one I went to in Malibu. I came into the party, said hello to the host, an old friend, looked around and went home.
I actually had a lovely young mentor (or I think it was really the other way ‘round) who visited me recently. I had high hopes for a weekend of fun, but it wasn’t to be. First he was wildly allergic to my dog; sneezed and snizzeled the whole time. Then it was decidedly difficult to ‘splain to my Great Dane that her spot on the bed wasn’t to be hers. In fact she didn’t take it well, and made a big fuss all night. The second night I thought, "Well, if she can’t be convinced, she should perhaps join ‘em." Turns out she was way too interested in other things going on than sleeping on her corner of the bed. It ended up in a well packed threesome with a lot of sneezing. I think I’ll have to think it over again.

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Comment to a Post on February 12
By elaine s on 02/12/2009 2:38 pm

So this is equality?

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Comment to The Question of the Day on February 13
By Count Snarkula on 02/13/2009 4:11 pm

5 more minutes with my Mother.

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Comment to a Post on February 6 (Sorry we missed this comment last week but it’s still worth recognizing)
By Susan B on 02/06/2009 3:46 pm

Diana, I believe the problem here — in this forum — is that it is a blog: anonymous and safe. And I don’t believe WoW, or any other blog, is truly representative of the voices and ideas of the country at large, it is representative of those of us who are of strong opinions and compelled to express ourselves. The so-called blogosphere a small sample, really, and we delude ourselves if we think otherwise or believe we can move mountains with our single opinions. At our best, we’re sharing experiences and tossing ideas back and forth with humor and an open mind. At our worst, we’re people who are in need of a fight or a place to vent our frustrations.

In "real life," I experience far more people interacting civilly, thoughtfully and with a generosity of spirit. We discuss most of the same topics, but we do so with restraint and care. We look each other in the eye, smile, tear-up, and touch.

On a blog, our humanity is reduced to words. There are plenty of very smart women here on WoW, but I also sense a high degree of personal disenfranchisement and social disconnection. So it’s good to be able to reach out to others like we do here — but I think we often forget how fortunate we are to be able to do so and take each other for granted.

(OK, Sully, help me land this plane.) What I’m trying to offer, is the idea that the people of this country are really not so different in the big picture. But on a blog or the mass media or in congress, commonality is not going to distinguish anyone, and so will never be adequately celebrated and leveraged for good. Diana, take hope in what you experience as you bump into each other on the sidewalk, stand next to each other in a line, or find in a smile from a stranger. We are together in so many ways, but politics is and always has been the great divider and on a blog — where we are literally on the same page — it’s a 24/7 experience that’s stoking the problem rather than bringing consensus. Our forbears would be hamstrung by this, I’m sure.

I wish we could put away the negativity, but it’ll never happen on Wow. Still, I’d like to think we could all try harder.

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Marina B.
Well, yes, Frannie. But the same holds true with racist and anti-Semitic comments. Should those be ignored also?
By Marina B. on 02/16/2009 4:12 pm
Frannie Em

Marina,  "But the same holds true with racist and anti-Semitic comments.  Should those be ignored also?"

That is an important question, and each individual has to answer it for themselves.  On this site, one option is to hit "contact us" and report the incident.

But let me ask you, if you engage, do they come back with more racist or anti-Semitic comments?  If they do, then it hasn’t changed their mind, it has got them engaged more and now more garbage is on the site.  Then others get mad and it goes on and on and on.  I am not saying it is wrong to try to counter it, but it doesn’t necessarily stop the hate speech.  Unless you have a foolproof method of dealing with them, it just engages them more.   They want the argument so they can release their hate, and you have taken the bait and widened their arena to be assholes.  I learned that one the hard way.

 Just an aside, back when I was in my 20’s I got crank phone calls for awhile.  They were of a sexual nature and at first I got really indignant and shocked, and I would always quickly hang up.  Well, I realized my method to get rid of him wasn’t working so I changed my tact.  The next time he called I listened to him;  "Oh baby, I saw you through your window the other night when you were naked," (he was very ‘involved’ with himself as he was saying this - LOL).  You did?  "Yes, I saw you, you have the big beautiful boobs, yeah…"  Oh sorry, that couldn’t have been me, I don’t have big boobs, you must be thinking of someone else, I think you have the wrong number.  Later, then I hung up. 

Well, he didn’t call back for a long time - a couple of months, then it started again.  Oh no, now what to do?  So I listened again, he went into his act and I thought, this is too much, how can I spoil his "fun"?  So I said - Hallelujah!  Praise the Lord!  I know you are troubled brother, I will pray for you, let’s pray together…. and as I started the Lord’s prayer he hung up and never called back.

  

By Frannie Em on 02/17/2009 9:48 pm
deber B
Frannie Em, great observation. It has everything to do with venting anger for some. The racist attacks are shocking. Hopefully none of us will have to read those anymore. I believe we have all learned alot about ourselves and others. As a moderate republican, it can be difficult to post my views without being called a “rightnut” “rightwing idiot” and those are the nice names! Time to move on as informative posters accepting of those who don’t think the way we do. It is really “okay” not to agree.
By deber B on 02/16/2009 4:42 pm
Roger from Ohio
It is really “okay” not to agree. well put…. thanks for sharing.
By Roger from Ohio on 02/16/2009 8:43 pm
georgia fatwood
"The world must be kept safe for differences"….Dag Hammersjold….can’t find the proper spelling……
By georgia fatwood on 02/22/2009 5:34 pm
Frannie Em

deber

One time I made, I thought, a very moderate political comment, and the next poster that responded to me intimated that I believed in "End of Days" scenarios.  I couldn’t figure out how they got that out of it.  I have never been called a right wingnut right after one of my posts, but further down in the thread there would be a comment.  I would realize later they were referring to me because I am more conservative in some of views, but more socially liberal.  I thought it was funny.  I think democrats get tired of being called left wing liberals, or that they drink the Kool Aid.  So I avoid that type of name calling.  I have talked about my disagreements with left wing liberals, but why get personal with labels, it makes people think  that you think they are stupid and vice versa.

A very wise friend once said to me "there is nothing but God and role playing."  I haven’t thought about that in a long time, but I think I am going to work on that more. 

By Frannie Em on 02/17/2009 9:58 pm
Diana T
Well, I am going to say one thing, and then I’ll move on. As a lady, I do not engage in hair-pullin’-mud wrestling, but I will interject a thought here. We, all of us need to remember why this site was set up in the first place. It was intended for women over 40 to have conversations on a whole host of subjects. Yes, we have had men on board, most of whom have worked with women during their careers and are used to their conversations, or men who are simply curious as to how we think. We are seeing such a disintegration by toxic verbal abusers, yes that means you Alex, that it is ruining the original intent of this wonderful place. My suggestions to the masthead women is to remove all political subjects for awhile so that tempers can cool. Most of us are too well read, too well raised and would never behave like this if we were meeting face to face. So, to each and every one of you, I would request that you consider, why you are here, what return you receive from the wow website, and what your motives are. Because if it is simply for the destructive motive of tearing each other down and criticizing either each other or other people, you are accomplishing nothing but bring negative energy into an otherwise positive place. And, that, ladies and gentlemen, is takes up too much positive energy and goodwill in our psyches to be healthy. Healthy debate by people who don’t always agree on subjects is both fun and educational. I do it all the time and have so for many years. But, hurling names at each other, calling names of our political leaders, no matter what side of the aisle they are on is futile and does not change minds. Saying the things I have read on this site about our new administration would have been considered downright unpatriotic when my parents were around. My parents and grand parents taught me from a very young age that it’s okay not to agree with their politics, but by darned, that’s our president, and our country, and we need to support him, our commander in chief. Period. And, if we don’t, we aren’t protecting our Constitution. It’s fine to disagree and have discourse of the various subjects, but the name calling and the fights…well, it’s downright disgraceful. Why do you think good manners dictate that you never discuss two subjects with strangers or bring them up at the Thanksgiving Dinner table?? Politics and Religion…gets us every time.
By Diana T on 02/15/2009 2:56 pm
~ countrywoman ~
Sunday greetings Diana I so appreciate your thoughtful post. You have made such basic, down-to-earth observations. I would go a step further re the “outrageous” destructive commentary to which we are sometimes subjected herein. I find some of it to be not less than repulsive and blatantly anti-American. We are experiencing a financial 9/11-type event. Just as in the aftermath of the terrorist attack, it is incumbent upon us to put our petty grievances aside and work together. Instead, some are proudly loudly HOPING Obama fails, and willing to put their energy, heart and soul, toward that goal. It is sickening that they call our President vile names and denigrate his efforts before they will even “grant” him 30 days to get started. Did these same “citizens” work to promote failure when Bush was doing his best to protect us in a crisis? Last night, on another thread, I watched as a “flayme-fest” deteriorated into a gang-bang and celebration of subversive radical ideology. I can imagine those voices went to bed feeling quite smug and self-satisfied having done their small part to undermine their own democracy. I felt so demoralized and betrayed by my “fellow” countrymen/women I had trouble sleeping. I continue to pray that the destructive voices will wake up to the fact that if you do manage to sink this ship, you are going down with it. Obviously you don’t give a damn about the rest of us, but what about your own self-preservation?? There was an interesting panel discussion on “Meet the Press” earlier today. One of the panelists made observations about the lack of effectiveness that results from a unifying principle based on being “against Obama.” I hope our representatives in Washington were listening and paying attention. As I posted earlier, in my opinion it is NOT about free speech, it is about common decency….and may I add, it is also about the choices we make. Are we going to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? Peace
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 02/15/2009 5:07 pm
Elisabeth S
Countrywoman, I have so much respect for your clarity of thought and your sincerity. I feel that you express what many of us think but have a hard time articulating. For awhile now, maybe since 9/11 I have felt the level of fear in this country and probably the world, rising. When combined with ignorance it becomes a deadly potion for anger and searching for scapegoats. You said it so well-we are all on this ship. I hope Lincoln is right and that “our common bonds of affection” can be preserved. We have a better chance of success together than apart. Peace to you, Elisabeth S
By Elisabeth S on 02/15/2009 8:44 pm
~ countrywoman ~
Thank you for your kind words, and for the hope and encouragement I felt as I read them. Peace right back at you!
By ~ countrywoman ~ on 02/15/2009 9:01 pm
Murphy Mac
I agree with all you have said above, Countrywoman. I think you are extremely intelligent. I too have felt passionate enough at times to want to carry on a playground-like “tit for tat” discourse with some who are seemingly so right every time they write. But, I didn’t engage at that level, instead stayed on a higher level to find out why this person was writing the harsh words re Obama and his wife. I haven’t heard back since I wrote at that level. Perhaps it hit home, perhaps not. I have a tech question for you… how do you write using and if you also know, how do you write using on this site. My best to you, Countrywoman.
By Murphy Mac on 02/16/2009 9:51 am
Murphy Mac
I am replying to my own reply…. arghh. I wanted to know how to use bold face type and italics on this site if you will share your techie knowledge. Somehow when I wrote those words got deleted. Thanks again.
By Murphy Mac on 02/16/2009 9:53 am
Roger from Ohio
This is how bold text is done….. (strong) bold text (/strong) Only…. change the ( to < Italic words work the same way…. (em) italic text (/em) Thats how it is done Margaret….. go ahead and test it out :)
By Roger from Ohio on 02/16/2009 12:58 pm
Marina B.
Thanks for asking the question, Margaret, and thanks for the answer, Roger. I would never have figured it out on my own.
By Marina B. on 02/16/2009 3:28 pm
Roger from Ohio
you are forgiven and you are not an idiot…… It is a command…… you use )( instead of >< if you want to bold something the command is (strong) to end the command you use (/strong) so to bold something (strong) bold text (/strong) but instead of using )( use >< if that isnt clear…. ask again….. Ill try again. …… but try and bold a hello (strong) hello (/strong)
By Roger from Ohio on 02/16/2009 8:39 pm