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Dear Margo | 02/04/2009 11:00 pm

Dear Margo: When the Strategy Is Deny, Deny, Deny

Margo Howard’s smart and endearing advice column now lives right here at wowOwow.com. A big welcome to her and all of her beloved Yahoo! readers
Margo Howard

When the Strategy Is Deny, Deny, Deny  

DEAR MARGO: Five months after we were married, my wife had an affair. She was bringing the man into our house, and the affair lasted until I left. I recorded the man’s voice on several occasions — even recorded her telling him I was listening and he should be quiet. As I said, I have moved out, but she stands her ground that she did not have an affair. I have filed for divorce, but I still love her. However, without an admission of what she has done I can’t stay with her. What comes to mind when you hear this story? — HURT HEART

DEAR HURT: Well, since you ask, what comes to mind is the old joke: "Who are you gonna believe — me or your own eyes?" In your case, however, let us substitute ears. You know as a certainty she had an affair — and after only five months of marriage, no less. The fact that she "entertained" in your shared home and then had the gall to deny it makes me wonder why you would take her back if she would only admit it. You know it’s a fact, so what would hearing an admission do for you? The two of you sound as though you may have dovetailing neuroses. The healthiest thing for you to do, if, in fact, that is what you’re interested in, is to go forward with the divorce and next time find a woman who is both truthful and faithful. — MARGO, BEMUSEDLY

Tough Love for a Twin Who Is Beyond Eccentric

DEAR MARGO: My husband has a twin brother, "Mark," who lives in an apartment without heat or electricity. No, he’s not destitute; he’s actually a millionaire. He lives that way because his gas and electric were shut off last year when he went on an extended vacation and didn’t bother to forward his mail, including bills. Everything remains off because he "just doesn’t want to deal with" the gas and electric companies — they annoy him. Now, all that would be fine with me (it is his life, after all) but for the fact that he keeps asking to come to our house to warm up, shower and sleep in a clean bed. I guess he "doesn’t want to deal with" basic housekeeping, either. His place is a mess — he never cleans up after himself. He also breaks things in our house, which he never takes responsibility for or offers to replace. And the guy has more money than I’ll probably ever see. The thing is: He is my husband’s twin, and he loves him and worries about him. I don’t ever want to come between my husband and "poor Mark," but I don’t want to be a victim of an unspeakably lazy nut-job who hasn’t found a "hobby" yet. What do you advise? — KNOWS BETTER THAN TO COME BETWEEN BROTHERS

DEAR KNOWS: Your husband’s twin needs more than a place to warm up, shower and find clean sheets. He needs professional help. Rather than worrying about his brother, I suggest your spouse see to it that he receives treatment. To ignore all this craziness does "poor Mark" no favors. Explain to your husband that by doing nothing except enabling Mark to live like a bum, he is allowing the situation to deteriorate, and his mentally unstable brother will be a thorn in your sides until you are all old people. Your husband should seek conservatorship, if necessary, to pay for treatment. If Mark rejects this idea, he should be told the time has come to "deal with" the public utilities, and that you are out of the hotel business. — MARGO, THERAPEUTICALLY

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20 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

%$#@* !@&*^!!
Deny” needs to grow a spine. And the sister-in-law of “Beyond Eccentric” should know that ‘Little Edie’ and ‘Big Edie’ Bouvier-Beale already did this and it was captured in the documentary ‘Gray Gardens’ with their Hampton’s home decaying around them, racoons living in the walls and attic, and cat feces covering everything. They never really changed and the twin isn’t going to either. Pathologically slobby types rarely do.
By %$#@* !@&*^!! on 02/05/2009 2:24 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
I found “Gray Gardens” fascinating––which was then made into a play and hit the old white way. Both of these letters to Margo I found bizarre.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 02/05/2009 8:28 am
%$#@* !@&*^!!
Phyllis, Loved the film, loved the play, and everything surrounding. The Beales were something special, wonderfully nutty and unique.
By %$#@* !@&*^!! on 02/05/2009 1:07 pm
Marina B.
LW2’s brother in law might be pathologically slobby, but he might also be severely depressed or suffering from a mental illness that could be treated or at least controlled. Of course, as a first step it is always necessary to admit one has a problem, and the BIL may not be prepared to do that. As for LW1, it probably wouldn’t hurt for him to talk to a professional either. If he were female, we’d be worried about low self esteem issues.
By Marina B. on 02/05/2009 2:38 am
Betty Buck
I read the letter from HURT HEART in which he complained about an affair his wife was having after only few months of marriage and your subsequent answer. One thought came to my mind. Nowhere in his letter did he mention that he actually confronted his cheating wife with the tape with the lover’s voice. He just claimed that she constantly denied the affair. Well, how could she, if he was to play the tape to her? And why would she take a risk of bringing her lover to the house while the husband was in? It all sounds, well, fishy to say the least. Margo, I was married once to a person suffering from psychotic symptoms of what I believe was schizophrenia. He was experiencing delusions and hallucinations and often accused me of having non-existent lovers. He even went as far to say he received an e-mail by error, that was intended for my “other beau”. He detailed about the e-mail’s contents, but of course, when I asked him to show me the e-mail, he said that he had conveniently deleted it. So, you can see how after reading HURT HEART’s letter, I was a bit suspicious. My hunch might be wrong, but I’m sensing there even might not be a third part in this man’s marriage. Especially since all he seems to be asking from his now to be ex-wife is addmitance of her erred ways, similarly as my ex did. It’s my experience that wronged people often seek more repenance and are often much more confused about their emotions and expectations. Just my thoughts. WONDERING, cordially.
By Betty Buck on 02/05/2009 3:21 am
Meika from Mars
I agree with Betty, the story does in no way add up. I am a believer that many bizarre things occur in life, and while this may have happened the way this man says it did, there is a very odd tone to the letter. After “hearing” a man in his home several times,he merely sat around for who knows how long to record these events? Not to mention not alot of cheaters bring their lovers back home where their spouse is. How could he have randomly caught them at the house several times? The presence of “voices” and the air of “betrayal” sound too much like the disorder Betty mentioned above.
By Meika from Mars on 02/05/2009 3:52 am
Tracey LA
It sounds to me like Deny-Deny KNEW he was recording. Margo’s advice is right. He needs to stay away from this woman, learn from it and move on. She sounds like a sociopath. It’s hard to know when you are their victim until after they have destroyed your life.
By Tracey LA on 02/05/2009 7:08 am
Allison In Wonderland
Hmmm, well I was married to a man that I caught cheating several times (yes I was an idiot for staying) I saw him doing unspeakable things and he still denied it. He denied all the way to court when I finally divorced his sorry A$$. Other people were even coming to me at the end and saying they knew and still to this day he says we are all crazy and he never cheated on me. I think it might be a little unfair to label hurt heart as having psychotic issues.
By Allison In Wonderland on 02/05/2009 7:33 am
Belinda Joy
Great advice on both counts Margo. Hurt Heart is going through what we all do at least once….that being, in love with someone that clearly doesn’t love us. And yet we cling to them, cling to the familiar. They may cheat on us, lie, steal, etc. etc. but at least we know what we have, it is familiar. To go out and meet someone new is scary to most of us, so we settle. It is so much easier said than done to walk away in situations like this but it is true, he just has to. I’m a firm believer that there is someone for everyone that can and will love us in the way we want and need. It’s all about being patient and aware when that person is standing right in front of you. And most of the time we don’t see them for what they truly are. Here’s hoping Hurt Heart finds that special someone.
By Belinda Joy on 02/05/2009 8:08 am
nanchan u
RE: Deny: Although it’s implied, nowhere in the letter do I see that the “wife” actually wanted to stay with her husband. She only denies the affair. If she indeed did have an affair and was brazen enough to bring the “other party” into the family home, she may have wanted to end the marriage anyways. She sounds like a coward to me. In any event, he needs to move on and heal his hurt heart AND his hurt ego. Having seen countless man friends go through this, it’s usually the ego that hurts the most, especially in the short term. My hope is that he will dump this baggage and move on to a decent woman.
By nanchan u on 02/05/2009 8:49 am
Lauren J
My ex-husband cheated on me as well. I had proof beyond any reasonable doubt — credit card receipts for flowers that I had not gotten, his own family telling me what was going on, he even named her on one particular occasion saying he’d not even see her and denied anything was going on. The funny thing was that up to that point I had never mentioned her name…so how could he have known who I thought it was?!? When it was all said and done he still denied as much of it as he thought he possibly could, which was pretty much everything. I wanted to forgive him and work things out (for better for worse!) but he would never admit what he’d done. I could not move on and forgive someone for something they would not admit. There was never any closure and therfore no starting point for us to begin to heal. I divorced him after a couple of years and vowed I’d never put up with a cheater again. Things happen for a reason and I am now married to a wonderful man who treats me with nothing less than utmost respect and love beyond what I ever dreamed of. Hurt Heart needs to move on and realize that life is so much more than being in a hurtful relationship all the while *wishing* it would be something it will never be. I wish him luck because it’s not easy but I know one day he’ll look back and wonder why it took him so long to move on.
By Lauren J on 02/05/2009 9:22 am
Dede Braun
Deny’s ex-wife is not willing to admit her affair for one simple reason: To admit to it is to admit that she was wrong. This serves her in several ways. Perhaps she fears what would happen in divorce court if she were to acknowledge being the party at fault. Perhaps her own fragile ego won’t alllow her to admit that she is capable of doing wrong. Perhaps she is in a state of permanent denial (ie a pathological liar.) If this is the case, then he’s probably seen examples of this in other situations, and needs to realize sooner than later that he’s better off without her.
By Dede Braun on 02/05/2009 11:45 am
MIKE From California
From a guys point of view (yes, we read Margo too), Deny might have handled this differently, however, wives DO cheat, I know that first hand, and they DO deny it, I gave in so many times just to try to keep a family together for my daughters sake, and as many advise columnists say, you should never stay together just for the kids sake, I finally left the re-peated cheater and my daughter came with me, she was 13 then, she is almost 21 now, I raised her myself, (without any child support) and I did a good job on my own, this guy just needs to take Margo’s advise and get on the last train to Clarksville asap.
By MIKE From California on 02/05/2009 11:58 am
Cindy Figorski
I do not think I could just sit back and make a recording of what my spouse was doing with the evidence being put into my face in my own house!!! I think I would confront them both that way the spouse and the other person could not deny what was happening, and record everything that has transpired. Heck I would even break out my digital camera and take pictures just so I had the evidence……haha. I do think DENY needs to move on though, someone better is out there for him who will not cheat. As for the eccentric Twin, I would suggest an evalution and maybe counseling.
By Cindy Figorski on 02/05/2009 2:13 pm
D C
Letter One: Even if she did admit that she had an affair, would you really want to stay with someone that has brought another person into your home….knowing that you are listening? If you ask me your soon to be ex-wife is tacky,cheap,trifling, and simple minded. You would be better off without her. Keep it moving because there are decent,good women around and you will find them..but first get rid of the dead weight!
By D C on 02/05/2009 4:51 pm